Have you made peace with your brother? I don't even hate you. Just your poor attitude.
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Roger
Rules Governing The Gift Of Tongues
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God has a book and my names written there.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
1 Cor 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
A reference to Isaiah where the prophet is warning of the nation going into captivity.
I'm smiling right now but it seems I'm not the only one perceived as filibustering.
The only gifts of the Holy Spirit that have changed are the three mentioned in 1 Cor 13:8 with Love being the main gift that believers are to exhibit.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Two very important points I think can be made. A part form the word of God no personal experience is authoritative over what is the Word of God.
One’s personal experience does not change for or against “the Gifts of the Holy “no matter how good or how bad the experience is. The word of God provides enough within the context of chapters 12, 13, 14 for 1 Corinthians to help each one in discerning the gifts being used by a person or in an church setting is of God.
No denomination, or human reasoning, or personal experience changes that.
If you say the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today and tongues is babble OR GIBBERISH based on your own human reasoning or understanding that is error. Nowhere does it say the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today because the Bible was completed. Nor does your bad experience OR GOOD ONE authenticate the Gifts. The word of God does.
In chapter’s 12, 13, 14 provide many key things to help one who is seeking the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I think I would like to high light some.
Chapter 12:
:1Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
If the gifts were to be done away with, why teach them to the church of Corinthians?
:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
This verse tell us as Paul teaches under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit “I give you understanding” which is The Spirit gave to me this understanding so now I give it to you.
:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
The NOW in verse 4 is to mean as I have given understand to you in verse 3 , let us move onto the subject of Gifts of the Holy Spirit . Which they are not for today so I will use two more chapter to say that. Oops sorry that not what was said.
:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Chapter 12 provides some very good understanding that these are Gifts for the Holy Spirit, they are many different kinds, and they are for the Body of Christ past, present, and future.
Chapter 13
:1 If I speak in the tongues[fn] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
This is the more excellent way : which is the gifts of the Holy Spirit are to be used in LOVE.
:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
Notice that even the more excellent gift of prophecy is nothing without love.
:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[fn] but do not have love, I gain nothing.
Notice even chapter 13 say to those who give to the poor without love you are nothing
:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Love is the motivation in which the gifts are to be used and even with those works of giving to the poor etc… do them without love it means nothing.
Chapter 14
:1 Follow after love, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
Or the gifts follow the actions of love which produce a godly desire to want the gift and prophesy is what I want you to do too or also.
:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Human reasoning or the lack of understanding of what the language is saying is Irrelevant when one is speaking in tongues .
:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
Both gifts do good.
:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
The greater spoken is in the effectiveness for the whole body not that tongues is not a good gift The Holy Spirit is the one still giving the gifts. As the latter statement “except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying”. Prophecy and tongues & interpretation both edify .
:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
Is love still the motivation and reason for the gift you are using? What is the end result? It should be Edification, comfort, and exhortation .
:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
This gift was not for you as to boast but to bless others
:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
What thing? The understanding of the gifts of the Holy Spirit all of them And WHO THEY ARE FOR and how they are to be used.
:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Nothing any of the chapters say the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today or have gone away. Nothing in the three chapter suggest human experience replaces the Word of God.
Nothing in the Greek or Hebrew translations within context to 1cor chp 12, 13, 14 say tongues /unknown tongues is babble or gibberish. That is ignorance and immaturity and one should leave them alone. One who says you have to speak in tongues to be saved is in error and unlearned. This issues one has with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues is a gift and attacks and makes profane comments should have more respect when speaking about any gift given by the Holy Spirit.
You have not represented my position accurately. I have always contended that tongues are human languages. I have never contended that the Holy Spirit and the gifts are not for today. Scripture says that tongues, prophecy and knowledge would change after the bible was completed. 1 Cor 13:8. My experiences are not my guide but scripture.
Nothing except verse 8 of chapter 13. You know that only three gifts have change the rest continue.
It is the Pentecostals and charismatics that contend that babbling or gibberish are tongues. I hope you are not calling me ignorant or immature or that my statements are profane.
The scripture does not tell us if Paul prayed in Hebrews, Greek or Latin. Scripture does not tell us how many times Paul preached in Hebrews, Greek or Latin or even a combination of any or all three.
We do know from scripture that we are told to witness of the saving grace of Christ to a lost and dying world.
We spend too much of our time knowing about Jesus and not enough time knowing Jesus.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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no they do not
you contend that tongues spoken today do not fit your biblical understanding and verse 8 of chapter 13 does not say they have stopped it states when the Perfect has come which you have not provide what that Perfect is.
I did not have to mention any denominational or other sect to explain what chapters 12,13, 14 for 1cor say. yet you use only one verse in 13:8 to suggest tongues are done away with? again that would be correct if chapter 13 had only 8 verses, but it has 5 more which bring more context to the topic your bias is very revealing
the scripture I wish did say Paul prayed in Hebrews, Greek or Latin but the word Paul used was tongues = languages and not specific and yes the scriptures do tell us to witness of the saving grace of Christ to a lost and dying world.
But The Holy Spirit clearly had Paul teach about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit in Context to 1cor 12,13,14 and he then move on to your point in chapter 15.
"We spend too much of our time knowing about Jesus and not enough time knowing Jesus. "
that is your opinion and i agree with that too however, this opinion does not null & void 1 Corinthians chapter 12,13, 14 . and the context of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit .
you do not think the tongues spoken today are of God ok that is your opinion. you have an issue with two denominations that you mentioned which the topic has nothing to do with . that is your issue not mine . the context of the bible in the chapters is because it is very clear it is. you stop at one verse in one chapter where three are speaking on it all three . that is not how one should study . But to each his own
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.no they do not
you contend that tongues spoken today do not fit your biblical understanding and verse 8 of chapter 13 does not say they have stopped it states when the Perfect has come which you have not provide what that Perfect is.
He it is that has convinced me that the perfect which is best translated complete is the word of God. It is the word of God which Paul would have again by the Holy Spirit known due to soon be completed.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
the Spirit of Truth is not your truth only but the Truth has a name and HIs name is Jesus. The bible is not to be worshiped
the Author is . your allegorical approach has no context to 1 cor chapter 12, 13, and 14. it sounds like your saying you have authoritative knowledge SELECTIVELY that no other could have . Very interesting and telling . I let the context of the chapter all of the chapters speak . that is why the " Gifts of the Holy Spirit " are active today even if you do not see it they way you think it should be done. I know verse 8 of chp 13 is the only verse that matters .