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That day will start with the global economic collapse. Then all work of men will be halted.
I would say 'us" refers to Christians, especially Gentile Christians for the OT law was not given to Gentiles...."that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:" Eph 2:11,12.
The law, not being given to Gentiles, made Gentiles "aliens from the commonwealth, strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope and without God. So that OT law was very much against the Gentiles.
Acts 10:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."
The verb phrase "came together" is passive voice meaning it was not the disciples own decision to come together on the first day of the week but they were brought passively together by someone outside of them, namely God brought His disciples together on the first day of the week. It would be a binding example for disciples today.
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That's right. We gentiles are the ones "OT" law were against and were to be "eliminated" by the Holy Nation but now through Christ there's no more hostility between the two. Do we see that's the law spoken about in Colossians 2:14?
I'd say the "OT" law was and is given to gentiles too evidenced by Isaiah chapter 56 as well as 66 which followed the gospel and the promise of the Messiah in Isaiah chapter 52 to chapter 55.
I have no doubt that God would have called them together to meet on that day, but it still isn't an instruction for lasting generations to get together and do the exact same thing they were doing for a specific and unique purpose.
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Three questions:
a. How long was the gathering?
b. Did they have dinner or lunch?
c. Was it a Saturday night or a Sunday night?
a) it does not say how long but long enough for them to worship.
b) it does not say
c) first day of the week, Sunday.
A shadow of the coming Millenium...
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Then wouldn't Jesus' and Paul's example of being in the temple teaching, as well as the disciples observance of the OT feast of Shavuot/Pentectost be binding as well?
I think the concern is that all throughout Scripture, both OT and NT, when God gives and instruction to His people it is pretty clear that He is giving an instruction and is stated as such. In this case it seems to be more of an account of what they were doing rather than a binding command for Christians to do the same thing for a special and unique purpose for all time.
Again, I have no problem with worshiping on ANY day of the week. God is certainly worth or praise 24/7. But I think it's erroneous to say that to worship on Sunday is more Biblical than honoring the Sabbath.
In the great commission, disciples are to go to all the world to preach the gospel to every creature, so Christians can teach in a temple, in an upper room, from a boat, anywhere. The OT law was taken out of the way by Christ and not binding upon NT Christians.
God brought His disciples together on the first day of the week. A disciple is a pupil, a follower of one's instructions. How then can I claim to be a disciple of God if I am not following the instruction given to God's disciples to assemble on the first day of the week? I see no where in God's word that God left the assembling of Acts 20:7 open to the opinion of the disciple.
a) Quite a long while...
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
From before midnight (at least) to daybreak.
b) One must assume dinner, then ate again after midnight...
Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
c) Saturday evening, we've been here before but oh well, here we go again...
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
first:
G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.
Yup, means first.
Note day is in italics? Not in the orginal. The word day is not here.
of the:
G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
means the
week:
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
Sabbath.
So, what is really there is...
Act 20:7 And upon the first of the Sabbaths, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
What is the first of the Sabbaths? Let's let Bullinger speak...
first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.
Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
The first Sabbath of the seven Sabbaths counting to Pentecost.
This occurred on the Sabbath into the night and to daybreak on Sunday morning. Then Paul walked 19 miles across the peninsula to Assos (a strange way to keep the Lord's day, if it really were).
And I would disagree with you here because nowhere does Jesus take the Law "out of the way".
And by using your example of reasoning saying that because the disciples were gathered on the first day of the week, that it is an instruction binding on Christians today, the same reasoning would apply to Jesus and the disciples gathering on the Sabbath in the temples, and keeping the Biblical Feast Days.
Again, I'm not saying it's wrong to worship on Sunday. I encourage people to do so. But not at the expense of God's clear instruction and example for His people to honor the Sabbath.
But in order to establish consistency, do you gather together to celebrate the OT feast of Shavuot every year? The disciples did that too.
So, the Laws are all done away, but a mistranslated and misunderstood passage is binding forever?
Col 2:14; Heb 10:9. In Col 2:154 the verb "took" is perfect tense denoting a action in the past with a continuing effect, took it out of the way permanently.
So the OT is not binding upon Christians. So if I read in the bible of Jew who was under and keeping the OT law in feasts, animal sacrifices, purifications, etc that is not binding upon me for that law was not given to me to keep and, as already noted, Christ took that law of out of the way making it inactive, of no effect. The NT law that Christian are under, including Acts 20:7 would be binding upon Christians. When did the Master bring His NT disciples together, as in Acts 20:7, any day other than the first day of the week? He did not. So again, how can one call himself a disciple of the Master if he is not following the Master's instructions?
On one occasion, Paul wanted to attend Pentecost in Jerusalem. He knew there would be many Lost Jews there to whom he had a great opportunity to preach the gospel to them. Does this mean I must keep Pentecost as the OT law directs? No, for (1) Christ took that law out of the way, (2) Paul, as no Christian, is obligated by God in the NT to keep Pentecost, (3) Paul was just using it as an opportunity to preach the gospel.
Again, I'm not saying it's wrong to worship on Sunday. I encourage people to do so. But not at the expense of God's clear instruction and example for His people to honor the Sabbath.
But in order to establish consistency, do you gather together to celebrate the OT feast of Shavuot every year? The disciples did that too.[/QUOTE]
Yet Jesus told His disciples (non-Jews included) to follow the Law forever. (Matthew 5)
Jesus and His disciples celebrated Passover.
Jesus' disciples were gathered together after Jesus' death to celebrate Shavuot/Pentecost. (Acts 2)
If Jesus, the disciples and Paul were told by God to celebrate these things, then God wants all Believers to do the same thing as well (by your logic concerning Sunday).
You're right, the OT law is not binding on anyone for salvation's sake, but it never was intended to be.
But the instruction to apply it still stands. Even for Christians. If anyone tries to follow the Law for salvation's sake, they are in error. But if a Christians wants to be obedient to God and show Him that they love Him by keeping His commands, then that is pleasing to God.