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indeed, dan!
(not to get all hokey pokey about it but) that's what it's all about!
(not to get all hokey pokey about it but) that's what it's all about!
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God has more names than I can count! I hold them all with respect because I respect God. Yet these sacred name nuts think one name is more sacred because it comes from Hebrew? Does that imply less respect for all the other names of God? The comical aspect to the sacred name nuts is they can not agree on what the sacred name is. It is all a huge fabrication of smoke and mirrors in their own mind.
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my (limited) understanding of it is there were no vowels in Hebrew; thus the tetragrammaton, or YHWH / YHVH.
but identifying the true pronunciation is problematic. most scholars seem to agree it would be "Yahweh", but there is some dispute, as you say, and it's certainly not definite. i tried to study it once but i think i need to know more about the Hebrew language itself to fully understand.
Jews i've known are much more careful with God's Name than Messianic Christians, though i couldn't tell you if that's coming from respect, fear, or tradition.
(i don't even know my own heart, let alone that of someone else! lol)
but identifying the true pronunciation is problematic. most scholars seem to agree it would be "Yahweh", but there is some dispute, as you say, and it's certainly not definite. i tried to study it once but i think i need to know more about the Hebrew language itself to fully understand.
Jews i've known are much more careful with God's Name than Messianic Christians, though i couldn't tell you if that's coming from respect, fear, or tradition.
(i don't even know my own heart, let alone that of someone else! lol)
They didnt respect the Creators name, they caused it to be forgotten:
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Talmud - Mas. Sotah 38a
Another [Baraitha] taught: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — with the use of the Shem Hameforash.15 You say that it means with the Tetragrammaton; (Yahweh) but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used!16 There is a text to say: So shall they put My name17 — My name which is unique to Me. It is possible to think that [the Shem Hameforash was also used] in places outside the Temple; but it is stated here, ‘So shall they put My name’ and elsewhere it is stated: To put His name there18 — as in this latter passage it denotes in the Temple so also in the former passage it denotes in the Temple. R. Joshiah says: [This deduction] is unnecessary; behold it states: In every place where I cause My name to be remembered I will come unto thee.19 Can it enter your mind that every place is intended?20 But the text must be transposed thus: In every place where I will come unto thee and bless thee will I cause My name to be remembered; and where will I come unto thee and bless thee? In the Temple; there, in the Temple, will I cause My name to be remembered. Another [Baraitha] teaches: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — I have here only the children of Israel; whence is it that proselytes, women and enfranchised slaves [are included]? There is a text to state, Ye shall say unto them21 — i.e., to all of them.
"but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used,"
No Scripture says anything like this at all, a Rabbi comes along and says, " "but perhaps that is not so," and after that Yahweh's Name is hidden. However it is not that FOOLISH and innocent, as it was on purpose that this was contrived:
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (Yahweh) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"
Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."
Talmud - Mas. Sotah 38a
Another [Baraitha] taught: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — with the use of the Shem Hameforash.15 You say that it means with the Tetragrammaton; (Yahweh) but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used!16 There is a text to say: So shall they put My name17 — My name which is unique to Me. It is possible to think that [the Shem Hameforash was also used] in places outside the Temple; but it is stated here, ‘So shall they put My name’ and elsewhere it is stated: To put His name there18 — as in this latter passage it denotes in the Temple so also in the former passage it denotes in the Temple. R. Joshiah says: [This deduction] is unnecessary; behold it states: In every place where I cause My name to be remembered I will come unto thee.19 Can it enter your mind that every place is intended?20 But the text must be transposed thus: In every place where I will come unto thee and bless thee will I cause My name to be remembered; and where will I come unto thee and bless thee? In the Temple; there, in the Temple, will I cause My name to be remembered. Another [Baraitha] teaches: ‘On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel’ — I have here only the children of Israel; whence is it that proselytes, women and enfranchised slaves [are included]? There is a text to state, Ye shall say unto them21 — i.e., to all of them.
"but perhaps that is not so and a substituted name was used,"
No Scripture says anything like this at all, a Rabbi comes along and says, " "but perhaps that is not so," and after that Yahweh's Name is hidden. However it is not that FOOLISH and innocent, as it was on purpose that this was contrived:
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (Yahweh) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"
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The High priest was the only one who spoke the name of YHWH. No one else spoke it as they did not wish to take it in vain. Talk about over kill! So the precise pronunciation of YHWH has been lost to history. The Jehovah Witness claim it to be Jehovah. Early Christian inserted vowels into it and came up with Yahweh which in German sounds like Jehovah. However, observant Jews never use these pronunciations . They simply say "Adonai".
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What you say is pharisee law.
Yahweh Himself tells even gentiles to use His name:
Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
Yahweh Himself tells even gentiles to use His name:
Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
In The Last Days TV Programme 24 - Nehemia Gordon Shattering The Conspiracy of Silence
In The Last Days TV Programme 24 - Nathalie Blackham interviews Nehemia Gordon about his new book 'Shattering The Conspiracy of Silence - The Hebrew Power of The Priestly Blessing Unleashed'. Nehemia talks about his experience on Mount Sinai, his discovery of the name of G-d, his experience of 911, visiting the 911 Chapel in New York and the priestly blessing.
[video=youtube_share;uiNbvp6MYhs]http://youtu.be/uiNbvp6MYhs[/video]
In The Last Days TV Programme 24 - Nathalie Blackham interviews Nehemia Gordon about his new book 'Shattering The Conspiracy of Silence - The Hebrew Power of The Priestly Blessing Unleashed'. Nehemia talks about his experience on Mount Sinai, his discovery of the name of G-d, his experience of 911, visiting the 911 Chapel in New York and the priestly blessing.
[video=youtube_share;uiNbvp6MYhs]http://youtu.be/uiNbvp6MYhs[/video]
Great video and excellent post danschance! I so rarely watch long videos posted to the forums but I saw William Tyndale's picture and decided to give it a go; best use of my time all day. Learned a lot about history and grammar, and it's too bad people are so caught up in falsehoods that can easily be proven wrong if they could just open their eyes. Thanks!
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Satan is good at what he does but not good enough. He is leading many away the whole time they think they have found amazing truth. Lately this site has had so many Judaizers and sacred namers that this thread seemed warranted. I know good people who have been sucked into this junk. Glad you liked it.
I really liked that video. I shun videos in posts but it was dead and done well.
I really liked that video. I shun videos in posts but it was dead and done well.
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The biggest problems with the sacred namers is they hate the name Jesus and the hate grace alone. They distort the gospel and make the death of Christ cheap. So they become pretend Christians plus pretend Jews and in the process they are neither.
Think about how destructive this is! The name is not Jesus but Yeshua (invented in the 1950s) or Y'shua or maybe or maybe Yashua, or maybe Yahoshua or maybe..etc. etc. Then they distort the Gospel by getting people to follow parts of Jewish law and ignore others the whole time claiming to be law keepers. Really? You are a law keeper when you only obey half the laws? Wonder if I told a cop I am a law keeper by keeping half the law?
They are so enamored with Hebrew the often claim the NT was written in Hebrew and insert hebrew names into the Greek scriptures. I had one claim the greek scriptures (the New Testament) are not to be trusted.
Far worse they distort the gospel. They gospel is We are saved from the penalty of sin by faith in Jesus Christ. Yet they teach we are saved by faith in (whatever favorite spelling for Jesus) plus you ought to keep the Mosaic law to make God happy or whatever. Yet the bible states the Mosaic laws have no hold on the NT believer. We are told to follow the laws of Christ. These Judaizing sacred namers are the new Pharisees telling us what to believe in, their own false gospel.
Think about how destructive this is! The name is not Jesus but Yeshua (invented in the 1950s) or Y'shua or maybe or maybe Yashua, or maybe Yahoshua or maybe..etc. etc. Then they distort the Gospel by getting people to follow parts of Jewish law and ignore others the whole time claiming to be law keepers. Really? You are a law keeper when you only obey half the laws? Wonder if I told a cop I am a law keeper by keeping half the law?
They are so enamored with Hebrew the often claim the NT was written in Hebrew and insert hebrew names into the Greek scriptures. I had one claim the greek scriptures (the New Testament) are not to be trusted.
Far worse they distort the gospel. They gospel is We are saved from the penalty of sin by faith in Jesus Christ. Yet they teach we are saved by faith in (whatever favorite spelling for Jesus) plus you ought to keep the Mosaic law to make God happy or whatever. Yet the bible states the Mosaic laws have no hold on the NT believer. We are told to follow the laws of Christ. These Judaizing sacred namers are the new Pharisees telling us what to believe in, their own false gospel.
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Not exactly. They want you to call God by a specific sacred name that is probably Hebrew. Like Yahweh or yahoshua or something similar. They tend to hate greek and substitute Hebrew into an English bible. Yet there are many groups and not all of them are the same. So we can only generalize here.
Take a look at the video on the very first page. It explains things very well.
Take a look at the video on the very first page. It explains things very well.