1st century ROME
huh? rome fell exactly as predicted.
Imperial ROME
what does this have to do with anything?
rome fell.
huh?
quit trying to bend the prophecy.
it's over.
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1st century ROME
huh? rome fell exactly as predicted.
Imperial ROME
what does this have to do with anything?
rome fell.
huh?
quit trying to bend the prophecy.
it's over.
Yes
The 10 toes, Rome divided. Never to reunite into one empire again.
It has everything to do with it.
Perhaps it is not as bent, as it first appears.
It could be an optical illustration.
Yes it was, when they were kicked out they became just like any other nation and are under the new covenant - the old covenant vengeance was dissipated in the dest of Jeru.
The days of vengeance is when all that was written would be fulfilled (when Jeru was comp'd with armies) - you have the days of vengeance lasting for nearly 2000 years.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Your fiction is not much better than dispensationalism.
I'm not acknowledging it either...
Or Augustine.
lol,well Augustine summed up those six generations of the heavens and earth to the best of his abilities...
Oh come on ole Augustine did more for preterism than any before him he launched a formal attack against chillism and milliniasim
I dunno about that soandso - never read any of his stuff and I've not seen a preterist quote him (not saying they haven't).
Preterists only concern themselves with two ages I believe.
Brother Locutus,
The misinterpretation of this one verse has led to the slanting of an entire time line of 1900 years into 37 yrs.
Yes, this is about the dest of Jeru., but the time line doesn't end in 70 ad, it continues.
And I have shown you several verses that you have FAILED to respond to, that prove that not all things written were fulfilled in 70 ad., that not all prophecy was ended then.
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Why did you obey the gospel? If you thought, "This gospel is 2000 yrs old, (Actually older), All the promises and prophecies ended in 70 ad"?
Acts 2:38, You received the gift of the Holy Spirit didn't you? That promise/prophecy is still active and it is 2000 yrs old.
So if God's promise of salvation from the 2nd death extends for 2000 years, why wouldn't other prophecies as well extend for 1000's of years?
How long was it, from the 1st prophecy about Jesus (he shall bruise etc), until Jesus finally came? 4000 yrs?
Here's from his works City of God book 20 down in ch.7 is where he is speaking in regards to genesis 2;4 about the generations... CHURCH FATHERS: City of God, Book XX (St. Augustine)
"Seventy weeks are determined" - not 69 weeks plus nearly two thousand years.
I'm not misrepresenting what Jesus said - I'm accepting it - you are trying to explain it away.
You've gone on about two tin legs yada, yada, I'm under no compulsion or responsibility to explain away your bad "theology"
Don't be daft man....
Are they still looking on the one they pierced?
I obeyed the gospel because it made sense to recognise the grace offered in the message, the gospel continues after 70 AD along with the gift of the spirit as promised - no preterist would claim otherwise.
So - was he appearing as Jesus for 4000 years - any more silly questions? - which you seem to resort to when stumped with the actual words of scripture and not what you want them to say.
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Yikes - I can't be bothered reading all that soandso - can you give me a one line synopsis?
well maybe not as good an synopsis as a preterit would in fact at the point in ch.7 where he says only a carnal mind could think like that it made me wonder about the disciples asking in Acts 1 if the kingdom would be restored to Israel at that time and then I wondered about the last thing Jesus ate before he ascended,,broiled fish and honey comb,but then that’s just me.
The words, that he should not seduce the nations till the thousand years should be fulfilled, are not to be understood as indicating that afterwards he is to seduce only those nations from which the predestined Church is composed, and from seducing whom he is restrained by that chain and imprisonment; but they are used in conformity with that usage frequently employed in Scripture and exemplified in the psalm, So our eyes wait upon the Lord our God, until He have mercy upon us, — not as if the eyes of His servants would no longer wait upon the Lord their God when He had mercy upon them. <~ That is one sentence!
The 70 wks ended in 37 ad.
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest, la la la," From the "Boxer."
Just put your hands over your ears, close your eyes, and go "la la la la la la la la."
Then maybe you can hide from the truth.
Don't be daft man....
That was fulfilled at the cross, what are you talking about?
Then all scripture is not fulfilled by 70 ad, if the promises are still valid for us 2000 years later.
You are so mixed up sometimes, what on earth are you talking about?
The words, that he should not seduce the nations till the thousand years should be fulfilled, are not to be understood as indicating that afterwards he is to seduce only those nations from which the predestined Church is composed, and from seducing whom he is restrained by that chain and imprisonment; but they are used in conformity with that usage frequently employed in Scripture and exemplified in the psalm, So our eyes wait upon the Lord our God, until He have mercy upon us, — not as if the eyes of His servants would no longer wait upon the Lord their God when He had mercy upon them. <~ That is one sentence!
Too technical for me - all this seducing going on..