Belief, repentance, confession, baptism are not the NT meaning of "works" when it comes to salvation.
That is your personal and altered definition, for the sake of your false gospel of works, which is not supported by the NT.
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Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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That is your personal and altered definition, for the sake of your false gospel of works, which is not supported by the NT.
So tell me SeaBass how many "works of believing" each day must a person do to keep his salvation?
Is it one "Works" per day or is it one "Works" per second a person must do to keep his Salvation?
So show me where in the Scriptures does it say how many "Works" we need to do each day to keep our Salvation SeaBass.
I can assure you that nowhere in the Scriptures does God say how many "Works" are needed to acquire or keep our Salvation SeaBass.
When I stand before God i say thank you Lord for saving me and thank you for everything you have done for me. When you SeaBass stand before God you say look at all I have done for my Salvation. Look at all my hard works I have done to keep my Salvation.
Its your PRIDE of receiving your Salvation and keeping your Salvation by your "Works" that allows you to boast before God.
Do you see the difference? I humble myself before God for all He has done for me, while you boast before God in your PRIDE that you did everything for your Salvation!
This is the main difference between a True Christian and a false Christian.
Is it one "Works" per day or is it one "Works" per second a person must do to keep his Salvation?
So show me where in the Scriptures does it say how many "Works" we need to do each day to keep our Salvation SeaBass.
I can assure you that nowhere in the Scriptures does God say how many "Works" are needed to acquire or keep our Salvation SeaBass.
When I stand before God i say thank you Lord for saving me and thank you for everything you have done for me. When you SeaBass stand before God you say look at all I have done for my Salvation. Look at all my hard works I have done to keep my Salvation.
Its your PRIDE of receiving your Salvation and keeping your Salvation by your "Works" that allows you to boast before God.
Do you see the difference? I humble myself before God for all He has done for me, while you boast before God in your PRIDE that you did everything for your Salvation!
This is the main difference between a True Christian and a false Christian.
There is no hope in works to gain, facilitate or keep salvation.....the bible is clear....
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.....
It is foolish to him as well as a few others on here that God can or will save someone if they but believe and acknowledge Jesus as the savior and or Lord of humanity.
Jesus said (by John) it best and I will take him at his word...
If you believe in your heart (mind) that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved...........
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to has mercy has he saved us (past tense)
works don't keep you saved.
works are evidences wether you are saved or not.
A good tree bears good fruit, a bad tree bears bad fruit.
works are evidences wether you are saved or not.
A good tree bears good fruit, a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Belief, repentance confession and submitting are works, not just mental assents of the mind. They are works GOD has required of man, they are conditions God has put upon His free gift. Since they are conditions that come with God's free gift then doing them cannot earn that free gift.
Jn 3:16-----------believing>>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Lk 13:3,5---------repenting>>>>>>>>>>>>saves/not perish
Mt 10:32,33------confession>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Mk 16:16---------baptism>>>>>>>>>>>>saves
Since there is just one way to be saved, no alternatives, then belief must include repentance, confession and baptism. Therefore when the bible says "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" some people assume the verse says "believeth only" instead of correctly understanding that 'believeth" in this verse includes repentance, confession and baptism. Jesus would not/did not contradict Himself by saying one one hand "belief only" saves but then say one the other hand repentance confession and baptism also save.
A Christian's faith includes the good works Christian are required to do, Eph 2:10; Matt 25:31-46. No text gives a specific number of good works a Christian is to do each day but the Christian is to do good works as the opportunity presents itself, Gal 6:10.
How many "Christians" make it into heaven with zero good works? Zero.
So how many works can you do that are pleasing to God WITHOUT FAITH?
But what too often is left out is premise number one
Hebrews 6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
If one does not have faith,how can one please God,and how can any works that we do please God without faith?
So faith therefore must be the starting point and everything else flows from it. Seems pretty simple to me.
James said--------------------works>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>justify James 2:24
Paul said---------------obey from the heart>>>>>>>>>>>>>freed from sin/justified Rom 6:17,18.
Paul said-----------------------faith>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>justifies Rom 3:28
Since there is just one way to be saved/justified, no alternatives, then we can know with certainty that obedient works do justify/save and that faith MUST INCLUDE obedient works. The man-made teaching does not even figure into this at all, not even in the minds of James or Paul.
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None.
How many commands of God can one's "faith" not do and still be pleasing to God and be saved?
SaraM777 said:But what too often is left out is premise number one
Hebrews 6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
If one does not have faith,how can one please God,and how can any works that we do please God without faith?
So faith therefore must be the starting point and everything else flows from it. Seems pretty simple to me.
A faith that is pleasing to God is not a dead 'faith only' but a faith that DOES what God said to do. From cover to cover of the bible, God is NOT pleased with those that do not do His will (Ex: 1 Cor 10:5).
Acts 10:35 those that "worketh righteousness" (do God's will righteous will) are accepted with God.
Lk 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
How can one claim they have faith in Christ yet do not do what Christ says? How can one be a follower of Christ yet not do what He says? How can one call Jesus "Lord" yet does not do what the Lord says?
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hmmmm....I see...when someone demonstrates they are following Christ in obedience where He has placed them, you flip and deny your own doctrine
well, we understand
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Rom 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and (1) going about to establish their own righteousness, have not (2) submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."
Paul lamented over the fact that his brethren in the flesh, the Jews, were lost.
Why were they lost? Because they went "about to establish their own righteousness".
What did they need to do to be saved but would not do? "submit themselves unto the righteousness of God"
They were lost for they would not submit to, would not obey the righteousness of God. What is God's righteousness? Psa 119:172 all God's commands are righteousness. So the Jews were lost for they would not obey the commands of God.
This one verse proves faith only advocates to be WRONG in their claim all works are alike and/or no work saves.
This verse speaks of TWO DIFFERENT WORKS:
1) works of merit the Jews were doing when they did their OWN righteousness
2) works of obedience is submitting to GOD'S righteousness
Work #1 does not sae while work #2 WILL save.
You posted "what God really does not like ? people confusing their works with His..."
Where have I said people doing their OWN works will save them?
What I have said is obeying GOD'S commands is what saves.
The obvious difference is the work they were doing could not save them while the work they did not want to do would save them.