Salvation. Thoughts?
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Not true, but, then, those who subscribe to OSAS will agree with you, and they are plentiful here on the BDF, so don't worry..... you will have lots of support...........
Exposing the False Doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved
(excerpt)
This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39-40
Comments: This is a favorite scripture of those who believe in the doctrine of once saved always saved. However, this verse does not say people cannot lose their salvation. It only says it is the will of the Father that none would be lost. Other scriptures make it very clear that the will of the Father is not always done in the earth. This is why Jesus instructed us to pray, ‘Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.’ Another scripture tells us God is not willing that any should perish. However, we know there are many who perish
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine dresser. “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. “Remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains, stays, and continues to be in the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me. “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who remains in me, stays with me, and continues to be with me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. “If anyone does not remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. “If you remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. “My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so you become My disciples. “Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; remain in my love, stay in my love, and continue to be in My love.
John 15:1-9
Comments: The word ‘abide’ comes from the Hebrew word ‘meno’, which is defined as ‘to remain, to sojourn, not to depart, tarry, to continue to be present, to stay with. When you replace the word ‘abide’ with the clearer definition of what meno means, it shines a bright light on the meaning of this passage from John 15. In this light, John 15 blows a gaping hole in the doctrine of ‘once saved always saved.’[/QUOTE]
Okay so like in the part of my post that you quoted I said there are cryptic verses out there that are twisted. Now bearing fruit has to do with the works that we do not our salvation. God is literally a father to those who are saved. You can choose to have a good relationship with him or a bad relationship. This is what you are speaking about in the above reply. But you are correct in the sense that we will be judged by our works, but at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Not he Great White Throne Judgement. The Great White Throne Judgement is for the unsaved and the Judgement Seat of Christ is for the Saved ( read 1 cor 3:9-end for reference) Our works will stand judgement and if they were not profitable they will be burned up. If they were good works they will abide like gold silver and precious stones as the Bible said. But if you are a child of God through belief God is not going to send you to hell. He will for Adam's children, and Satan's children but not his own. But thank you for the reply anyway. Feel free to try to give me a clear scripture in the Bible, instead of trying to confuse people with difficult scripture. I am well versed in salvation, I have heard all the verses you can think of to try and be a stumbling block. I go door to door soulwinning, so I have heard many people try to muddy up the "simplicity that is in Christ".
Exposing the False Doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved
(excerpt)
This is the will of my Father who sent me, that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing, but should raise him up at the last day. This is the will of the one who sent me, that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
John 6:39-40
Comments: This is a favorite scripture of those who believe in the doctrine of once saved always saved. However, this verse does not say people cannot lose their salvation. It only says it is the will of the Father that none would be lost. Other scriptures make it very clear that the will of the Father is not always done in the earth. This is why Jesus instructed us to pray, ‘Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.’ Another scripture tells us God is not willing that any should perish. However, we know there are many who perish
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine dresser. “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. “Remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it remains, stays, and continues to be in the vine, so neither can you unless you remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me. “I am the vine, you are the branches; he who remains in me, stays with me, and continues to be with me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. “If anyone does not remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. “If you remain in me, stay with me, and continue to be with me and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. “My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so you become My disciples. “Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; remain in my love, stay in my love, and continue to be in My love.
John 15:1-9
Comments: The word ‘abide’ comes from the Hebrew word ‘meno’, which is defined as ‘to remain, to sojourn, not to depart, tarry, to continue to be present, to stay with. When you replace the word ‘abide’ with the clearer definition of what meno means, it shines a bright light on the meaning of this passage from John 15. In this light, John 15 blows a gaping hole in the doctrine of ‘once saved always saved.’[/QUOTE]
Okay so like in the part of my post that you quoted I said there are cryptic verses out there that are twisted. Now bearing fruit has to do with the works that we do not our salvation. God is literally a father to those who are saved. You can choose to have a good relationship with him or a bad relationship. This is what you are speaking about in the above reply. But you are correct in the sense that we will be judged by our works, but at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Not he Great White Throne Judgement. The Great White Throne Judgement is for the unsaved and the Judgement Seat of Christ is for the Saved ( read 1 cor 3:9-end for reference) Our works will stand judgement and if they were not profitable they will be burned up. If they were good works they will abide like gold silver and precious stones as the Bible said. But if you are a child of God through belief God is not going to send you to hell. He will for Adam's children, and Satan's children but not his own. But thank you for the reply anyway. Feel free to try to give me a clear scripture in the Bible, instead of trying to confuse people with difficult scripture. I am well versed in salvation, I have heard all the verses you can think of to try and be a stumbling block. I go door to door soulwinning, so I have heard many people try to muddy up the "simplicity that is in Christ".
Okay so like in the part of my post that you quoted I said there are cryptic verses out there that are twisted. Now bearing fruit has to do with the works that we do not our salvation. God is literally a father to those who are saved. You can choose to have a good relationship with him or a bad relationship. This is what you are speaking about in the above reply. But you are correct in the sense that we will be judged by our works, but at the Judgement Seat of Christ. Not he Great White Throne Judgement. The Great White Throne Judgement is for the unsaved and the Judgement Seat of Christ is for the Saved ( read 1 cor 3:9-end for reference) Our works will stand judgement and if they were not profitable they will be burned up. If they were good works they will abide like gold silver and precious stones as the Bible said. But if you are a child of God through belief God is not going to send you to hell. He will for Adam's children, and Satan's children but not his own. But thank you for the reply anyway. Feel free to try to give me a clear scripture in the Bible, instead of trying to confuse people with difficult scripture. I am well versed in salvation, I have heard all the verses you can think of to try and be a stumbling block. I go door to door soulwinning, so I have heard many people try to muddy up the "simplicity that is in Christ".[/QUOTE]
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)
Please show me the verse where it says you have to convert to Judaism to be saved LOL. The Bible says the Jews are those who are circumcised of the heart, not of the flesh. Birth right has nothing to do with salvation. Romans 2:28-29"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
In the Old Testament People were saved by faith in the New Testament people were saved by faith. In the OT they were looking towards the cross in the NT we are looking back at the cross. different time lines, same God. The difference now is we do not have to sacrifice in order to get right with God (not salvation) in the NT we have direct access to the father through prayer because of the Holy Spirit which dwells within us. But salvation is the same. "Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness." Romans 4:3. You can also reference Genesis 3:6. But you are right anyone could be accepted in the OT. However being a Jew still did not save you and being a Jew now still does not save you. God is not a respecter of persons. There were many unsaved Jews in the OT.
One thought on that. oh HI DAVE! What is "born of God"? I always wondered being born again or born from above what is created new? The new man which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. So that which is born of God.. can it sin? 
This flesh can. But that which is born of God does not commit sin. Just a thought
This flesh can. But that which is born of God does not commit sin. Just a thought