Same Sex Marriage Doesn't Lead To Live And Let Live

[Agricola]

Change homosexuality to bestiality, lets give kids books with cartoon pictures of people having sex with animals. Is this fine of course not, as its not sociably acceptable yet. Homosexuality is now considered sociably acceptable, despite God saying otherwise, so in order to re-inforce this thinking and to bring up a new generation of kids who think there is nothing wrong with it, we have classrooms teaching same sex parents is fine, be it through books or films. This is indoctrination.

The homosexual movement see Christians as the enemy, as Christians and other religions are the only people openly opposed to homosexuality, therefore they are seen as the enemy and any little hint of anti-homosexuality activity , we see police called and all kinds of nonsense. Just having a Christian telling a homosexual they are sinners is wrong, as they automatically assume the Christian is referring to their sexual immorality.

Christians are not told to hate homosexuals, despite the claims that they are.

 

[Daniel94]

So you are saying elementary school children would be naturally discussing sex then.
Just as the judges did.
Yea, real good.
Perfect.
You do good Tracey by abiding by the rules of the court.
Kindergartners would naturally be discussing sex.
Perverted minds think alike.
- That wouldn't happen anywhere near where I live. (We make a habit of not perverting our children.)

Excuse me, but you state your age is 49 so the last time you were on a public school bus was when? You would be surprised what kids talk about on a bus. As much as people want to blame it on school a lot of what kids pick up comes from their homes. Not even necessarily from their parents, but from TV, music, movies and siblings. Also you do realize that there's a "sex" talk in 5th grade and then again in 7th and then you have Health class in 9th grade. At least that's how it was for me. Anyways, those same 5th graders that learned about sex go home on a bus with kindergartners. So clearly it would not be the kindergartners, but the older children on the bus that would do the talking about sex, but that does not mean that the kindergartners don't realize that some people have two dads and some two moms. From my own experience, I knew every cuss word before I was out of elementary school. Granted I didn't know what they all meant, but I picked it up from my older brother's friends and other kids on the bus seeing as my parents don't cuss. You would probably be surprised what the kids in your area talk about.

Change homosexuality to bestiality, lets give kids books with cartoon pictures of people having sex with animals. Is this fine of course not, as its not sociably acceptable yet. Homosexuality is now considered sociably acceptable, despite God saying otherwise, so in order to re-inforce this thinking and to bring up a new generation of kids who think there is nothing wrong with it, we have classrooms teaching same sex parents is fine, be it through books or films. This is indoctrination.

The homosexual movement see Christians as the enemy, as Christians and other religions are the only people openly opposed to homosexuality, therefore they are seen as the enemy and any little hint of anti-homosexuality activity , we see police called and all kinds of nonsense. Just having a Christian telling a homosexual they are sinners is wrong, as they automatically assume the Christian is referring to their sexual immorality.

Christians are not told to hate homosexuals, despite the claims that they are.

Could someone please explain how being gay leads to pedophilia or bestiality? Honestly, my being gay has no affect on the guy down the road that has improper thoughts of children or the guy that likes his dog a little too much. I have an idea. How about Christians actually talk to their children about homosexuality? Maybe the schools wouldn't have to talk about the reality that some kids have two moms or two dads if parents would talk to their children. From my perspective you paint the picture that all gay people think Christians hate them, but that is not the case. Also, I blame the media. When you have the media who shows the bad side of Christianity, like those who really do preach hate, or when they paint the picture of Christians as hateful then what can you expect the gay person to believe? You also need to realize that just because someone is gay does not mean they're sexually active so if you go up to someone who is openly gay and tell them that they're a sinner then how can you expect them to not believe you're talking about their sexuality? Also, why would you not lead up to the point where you talk about sin. You can't just jump right in and say "Hey, how's your day? Oh by the way you're a sinner." That seems like an odd way to start a conversation, even a biblical one.

 

[RickShafer]

Excuse me, but you state your age is 49 so the last time you were on a public school bus was when? You would be surprised what kids talk about on a bus. As much as people want to blame it on school a lot of what kids pick up comes from their homes. Not even necessarily from their parents, but from TV, music, movies and siblings. Also you do realize that there's a "sex" talk in 5th grade and then again in 7th and then you have Health class in 9th grade. At least that's how it was for me. Anyways, those same 5th graders that learned about sex go home on a bus with kindergartners. So clearly it would not be the kindergartners, but the older children on the bus that would do the talking about sex, but that does not mean that the kindergartners don't realize that some people have two dads and some two moms. From my own experience, I knew every cuss word before I was out of elementary school. Granted I didn't know what they all meant, but I picked it up from my older brother's friends and other kids on the bus seeing as my parents don't cuss. You would probably be surprised what the kids in your are

Excuse me, it is school curriculum.
Not something picked up on the bus.
It's true, I'm 49, .......'boy in my day we hitched up the horses and rode 15 miles to the little red schoolhouse.'
- I grew up in the seventies and early eighties bub, the era of free love.(Before HIV).
- - So don't lecture me on being prudish......

 

[Daniel94]

Excuse me, it is school curriculum.
Not something picked up on the bus.
It's true, I'm 49, .......'boy in my day we hitched up the horses and rode 15 miles to the little red schoolhouse.'
- I grew up in the seventies and early eighties bub, the era of free love.(Before HIV).
- - So don't lecture me on being prudish......

You missed my point. I wasn't saying that it was picked up on the bus, but rather it could have been. You said that kids would not openly talk about sex. I was trying to get the point across that kids talk about everything, including sex even at younger ages. As I already said they hear about it from TV, movies, music, and their siblings. Not to mention I can search online for basically anything I want to know about, which means they can too. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I understood you to imply that kindergartners would not hear anything of homosexuality had the school not introduced these books when we know that is simply not true. As I already said some kids now have two moms or two dads. I highly doubt it's in the school curriculum to tell kindergartners about the act of sex, but rather that everyone comes from different families. I wasn't trying to lecture you, but if you took it that way I apologize.

 

[Agricola]

Could someone please explain how being gay leads to pedophilia or bestiality? Honestly, my being gay has no affect on the guy down the road that has improper thoughts of children or the guy that likes his dog a little too much.

You prove my point. Your "outrage" led you to miss-read what I said, along with your preconceived ideas. Please re-read I did not say being gay leads to paedophilia or bestiality.

 

[Daniel94]

You prove my point. Your "outrage" led you to miss-read what I said, along with your preconceived ideas. Please re-read I did not say being gay leads to paedophilia or bestiality.

I apologize if I seemed angry, but I can assure you I'm not and I was not angry. I was just asking a question because I have seen it many times before where someone will say homosexuality leads to pedophilia and/or bestiality and I have yet to receive a logical answer to that question. I was just making the assumption that is what you were doing too because from my point of view that's what it seemed like you were insinuating. I apologize for miss-reading your post, however, do you not have anything to say about the rest of my post?

 

[RickShafer]

You missed my point. I wasn't saying that it was picked up on the bus, but rather it could have been. You said that kids would not openly talk about sex. I was trying to get the point across that kids talk about everything, including sex even at younger ages. As I already said they hear about it from TV, movies, music, and their siblings. Not to mention I can search online for basically anything I want to know about, which means they can too. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I understood you to imply that kindergartners would not hear anything of homosexuality had the school not introduced these books when we know that is simply not true. As I already said some kids now have two moms or two dads. I highly doubt it's in the school curriculum to tell kindergartners about the act of sex, but rather that everyone comes from different families. I wasn't trying to lecture you, but if you took it that way I apologize.

Not that they wouldn't here of it.
But it wouldn't be taught and sanctioned as a condoned activity.
Not shoved down their throats as an alternative lifestyle by the school board, (or city fathers).
- This is a new thing.

 

[wisebeardman]

the gay marriage is nothing more then a slippery slope.

1st it will be the gays demanding to be married.
next the polygamist will want legal marriage since its an alternative lifestyle.
then people will want to marry animals cause its an alternative lifestyle.
then people will want to legally be able to marry kids cause well its an alternative lifestyle

see how this works? 1st gays say its discrimination against their lifestyle, when they get their way, then some "other" alternative lifestyle will want their marriage and if you don't give in then you are intolerant and discriminating against them.

 

[terminallyCapricious]

the gay marriage is nothing more then a slippery slope.

1st it will be the gays demanding to be married.
next the polygamist will want legal marriage since its an alternative lifestyle.
then people will want to marry animals cause its an alternative lifestyle.
then people will want to legally be able to marry kids cause well its an alternative lifestyle

see how this works? 1st gays say its discrimination against their lifestyle, when they get their way, then some "other" alternative lifestyle will want their marriage and if you don't give in then you are intolerant and discriminating against them.

Isn't polygamy already legal in some states? ...Also wasn't it legal before gay marriage? Also marriage between first cousins... And people at least 13 years old...

 

[Daniel94]

Not that they wouldn't here of it.
But it wouldn't be taught and sanctioned as a condoned activity.
Not shoved down their throats as an alternative lifestyle by the school board, (or city fathers).
- This is a new thing.

I must have misunderstood what you were saying. Sorry. I don't know that I see it as being shoved down their throats. Neither one of us are in these classrooms so neither of us are in any position to say whether something is being forced or not. Majority of Christians are against evolution, but evolution is taught in schools. It all comes down to the fact that we don't live in a total Christian country so clearly our PUBLIC schools will teach a variety of ideas and concepts. If a parent does not like that then they should send their child to a private school, home-school their child, or just get over it.

the gay marriage is nothing more then a slippery slope.

1st it will be the gays demanding to be married.
next the polygamist will want legal marriage since its an alternative lifestyle.
then people will want to marry animals cause its an alternative lifestyle.
then people will want to legally be able to marry kids cause well its an alternative lifestyle

see how this works? 1st gays say its discrimination against their lifestyle, when they get their way, then some "other" alternative lifestyle will want their marriage and if you don't give in then you are intolerant and discriminating against them.

I actually don't see how this works. First of all not every gay person wants to get married so it really is unfair to lump every gay person together like that. Secondly, while polygamy may not be legal it is already happening and has been happening. Thirdly, I don't see PETA agreeing with people marrying animals, however, they may surprise me. I could see some form of animal abuse, but from what I know of PETA they can be crazy so only God knows. Fourthly, I don't see anyone being okay with people marrying children. If anything that could be seen as child abuse. You have to get your parents permission to marry if you're under a certain age. I believe that age is 16, but I'm not positive. I honestly don't see the big deal. Christians always preach the end of times, but then when things happen that might hint at that they go all crazy. God told you in the Bible the world was going to go crazy so why don't you just calm down and let Him control everything? Also, why is it such a big deal if two men or two women get married? Is your marriage going to be in trouble if they do? Will God punish you because of the actions of others? Will God see your marriage as less of a marriage because Bill and John decided to get married? Honestly though if you look at marriage today it is already a sham. Look at all the divorces. I'm like 100% sure Jesus said man could not separate what God brought together and yet we have people getting divorced everyday over stupid reasons like claiming to have fallen out of love with one another. What's the point in defending something that's clearly not worth defending anymore?

 

[RickShafer]

Daniel, nothing personal. During our whole exchange I was always referring to the info. on post #56, which seems to be 'official'.
Give it a look.
Thank you for your patience.

 

[TracerBullet]

Change homosexuality to bestiality, lets give kids books with cartoon pictures of people having sex with animals. Is this fine of course not, as its not sociably acceptable yet. Homosexuality is now considered sociably acceptable, despite God saying otherwise, so in order to re-inforce this thinking and to bring up a new generation of kids who think there is nothing wrong with it, we have classrooms teaching same sex parents is fine, be it through books or films. This is indoctrination.

For decades racists would lie and try to associate people ofcolor with criminals, rapists, the diseased, substance abusers and so on. It was an attempt to dehumanize that minorityin order to justify hate and discrimination and to instill fear into thegeneral population.
What you are doing here is exactly the same thing

The homosexual movement see Christians as the enemy, as Christians and other religions are the only people openly opposed to homosexuality, therefore they are seen as the enemy and any little hint of anti-homosexuality activity , we see police called and all kinds of nonsense. Just having a Christian telling a homosexual they are sinners is wrong, as they automatically assume the Christian is referring to their sexual immorality.

Christians are not told to hate homosexuals, despite the claims that they are.

You say you don’t express hate for homosexuals yet you arewilling to associate an entire minority with people who have sex with animals.

If you made this same post about interracial couples it wouldbe labeled hateful and rightly so. Wrapping hate up in the bible doesn’t magically change that hate into love. It’s still hate

 

[TracerBullet]

You prove my point. Your "outrage" led you to miss-read what I said, along with your preconceived ideas. Please re-read I did not say being gay leads to paedophilia or bestiality.

when you wrote "Change homosexuality to bestiality, lets give kids books with cartoon pictures of people having sex with animals. Is this fine of course not, as its not sociably acceptable yet." you basically did say that.

 

[TracerBullet]

the gay marriage is nothing more then a slippery slope.

Yeah and a generation ago those supportingAnti-miscegenation laws said the same thing

next the polygamist will want legal marriage since its an alternative lifestyle.

why do you oppose polygamy?

then people will want to marry animals cause its an alternative lifestyle.

animals can't give informed consent

then people will want to legally be able to marry kids cause well its an alternative lifestyle

Children can't give informed consent

 

[RickShafer]

"Informed consent"
- Hahahaha!
Let's see....according to you, a person in Germany reaches the AGE of CONSENT at 14.
Whereas a person in Finland doesn't reach it until 16.
France is 15.
Yet somehow Ireland is 17. - (Those late blooming Irish).
So, obviously the maturity of youths vary widely according to the country they happen to live in.
But this is the crux of your problem TraceyBillet, continually putting man's law above God's natural law.
- So, according to you, a sin literally depends on what state you are in. - (That is most horribly sad.)

 

[TracerBullet]

"Informed consent"
- Hahahaha!
Let's see....according to you, a person in Germany reaches the AGE of CONSENT at 14.
Whereas a person in Finland doesn't reach it until 16.
France is 15.
Yet somehow Ireland is 17. - (Those late blooming Irish).
So, obviously the maturity of youths vary widely according to the country they happen to live in.
But this is the crux of your problem TraceyBillet, continually putting man's law above God's natural law.
- So, according to you, a sin literally depends on what state you are in. - (That is most horribly sad.)

No it means age of consent varies over cultures.

 

[richie_2uk]

Oooh! ooooh! I have my hands up!, I know this one. Lets have a closer look again what it says in God's word. ( THE BIBLE ) and! and lets all accept his word and TRUE words of wisdom. And then let's see what happens?

 

[Agricola]

when you wrote "Change homosexuality to bestiality, lets give kids books with cartoon pictures of people having sex with animals. Is this fine of course not, as its not sociably acceptable yet." you basically did say that.

Obviously you failed to understand. So I will put it in a more simpler way. To promote an idea or new way of thinking, esepcaily one which faces hostility and unpopularity, it is often pushed upon children via education. Therefore to promote that homosexuality is fine and nothing wrong with it and to change the way society thinks, it is important to re-educate the next generations so they all think its ok, starting as young as possible with nice pictures of two Daddies with a kid.

I pointed out that beastility etc is not acceptable, and therefore not yet pushed as a good thing as its far from being acceptable to society, but when that day comes, and its not going to be that far off, then yes we will see kids being told its ok to have relationships with animals, along with books and pictures.

You automatically jump to wrong conclusions.

 

[TracerBullet]

Obviously you failed to understand. So I will put it in a more simpler way. To promote an idea or new way of thinking, esepcaily one which faces hostility and unpopularity, it is often pushed upon children via education. Therefore to promote that homosexuality is fine and nothing wrong with it and to change the way society thinks, it is important to re-educate the next generations so they all think its ok, starting as young as possible with nice pictures of two Daddies with a kid.

I pointed out that beastility etc is not acceptable, and therefore not yet pushed as a good thing as its far from being acceptable to society, but when that day comes, and its not going to be that far off, then yes we will see kids being told its ok to have relationships with animals, along with books and pictures.

You automatically jump to wrong conclusions.

For decades racists would lie and try to associate people ofcolor with criminals, rapists, the diseased, substance abusers and so on. It was an attempt to dehumanize that minorityin order to justify hate and discrimination and to instill fear into thegeneral population.
The idea of using schools to "indoctrinate" children to accept blacks as social equals was a main driving force in segregation. What you are saying is nothing new

 

[JoyofLord]

Minnesota For Marriage is pushing to pass a marriage protection act in Minnesota.

Their latest ad shows that states become intolerant once they allow same sex marriage. In states that are pro-same sex marriage, churches and businesses get sued, and children receive pro-same sex education without parental consent.

[video=youtube;YqO9_I2akOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqO9_I2akOQ[/video]

3rd TV Ad: "Not Live & Let Live" :30 TV. - YouTube

What concerns me about the law being changed to allow gay marriage is that two men who are paedophiles could pretend to be in love and adopt children for their own pleasure, I don't see how this is helping to protect our children I don't agree with it at all. I love gay people but I want to protect our kids and the next generation, countries that have passed gay marriage legislation are now experiencing people wanting laws to pass multiple partners in marriage, like men having more than one wife polygamist when does it stop? Our children and people are confused enough about life and who they were created to be I believe this would just add to the confusion of their identity. The law is not to please man it is to protect the community and the next generation. Should our children the next generation be allowed to be effected by the partners we wish to be with?