Saved by faith alone?

[Genez]

.....Saved by faith....

What does it include or entail?

Some think it is just a faith in Jesus paying for our sins.

Faith is a manifested state of knowing and believing God's Word on a matter.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17​

​

Hearing means to comprehend and grasp the meaning of what was said.

Like when someone makes a statement explaining or describing something profound, and another person declares, 'I hear you!'

10:17

 

[DavidLamb]

The way I read and understand the scripture is purely from a subjective viewpoint.

Because the gospels disagree with each other in their resurrection accounts, I reject the idea that God wrote
the gospels.

When I read Luke's introduction to his letter to Theophilus below.

Luke 1:3
It seemed fitting for me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for
you in consecutive order, most excellent Theophilus.

Luke's account was not directed to a church but to a person.

I do not accept that Luke was told what to write by the Lord or that the Lord, had guided what Luke wrote.

Does that mean that what Luke wrote was not important for everyone, of course not.

In the case of Paul it is plainly obvious that Paul was heavily guided by the Holy Spirit.

There is a marked difference in the weight of certain letters in the N.T and their impact on doctrine.

I never read 2 John or 3 John and I do not regard those two letters as scripture.

But Paul wrote two letters to Timothy, one to Titus, one to Philemon, and several to local churches that I am fairly certain you are not a member of. James addressed his letter to the twelve tribes dispersed abroad. Peter addressed "the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia." 2 John is addressed to "the elect lady," and 3 John to Gaius. As you say, Luke and Acts were written to Theophilus. At least part of Revelation was addressed to 7 churches in Asia. That doesn't leave much of the New Testament.

 

[DavidLamb]

So Mark was an assistant to Paul you say?

Acts 15:36-40
Some time later Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us go back and visit the believers in all the towns where we preached
the word of the Lord and see how they are doing.” Barnabas wanted to take John, also called Mark, with them, but Paul
did not think it wise to take him, because he had deserted them in Pamphylia and had not continued with them in the work.
They had such a sharp disagreement that they parted company. Barnabas took Mark and sailed for Cyprus, but Paul chose
Silas and left, commended by the believers to the grace of the Lord.

Wrong on that one.

No, not wrong. Mark was an assistant of Paul before the disagreement mentioned in Acts 15, and afterwards too, for Paul refers to him in his letters:

Col_4:10 Aristarchus my fellow prisoner greets you, with Mark the cousin of Barnabas (about whom you received instructions: if he comes to you, welcome him),
2Ti_4:11 Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful to me for ministry.
Phm_1:24 as do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, Luke, my fellow laborers.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I think it is always a mistake to allow atheists onto boards that discuss the scriptures.
Never let the enemy in the front door. He'll vomit and corrupt the whole house.

its no different than the false teachers really. The pharisees pumping their chest. attacking the sinners that Jesus saved.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

People for some reason do not see salvation as a free gift?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Sadly church tradition overrides what is plainly written in the scripture.

Church tradition teaches do this or else but scripture tells us Jesus is the sole reason for our salvation.

we have an example of another church doing this

It was called Israel.. They crucified Christ. Because their tradition said Christ was a false teacher

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Ephesians 2:8, tells us that we have been saved by Grace.
Not by faith.

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not ​

from yourselves, it is the gift of God. ​

Through faith?

Faith is our ID security card that God issues us to gain clearance for entering into God's throne room. Ephesians 3:12

In Christ by grace.....

We are saved by grace period.

But God will not force it on us. We have to recieve this gift in faith.

or reject it in unbelief

he who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is condemned already

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Does a saved person continue in sin? Does a saved person serve the flesh and evils lusts?
Faith results in change. True faith = a new heart.

John said one who continues or lives in sin has never seen God. whoever is born of God can not live in sin.

so if you see a persom professing christ living a lifestyle of sin, as a hearer and not a doer. you can probably assume they have not been born again..

these people probably need the gospel. not judegment on how to stop sin.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Faith is a manifested state of knowing and believing God's Word on a matter.

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17​

​

Hearing means to comprehend and grasp the meaning of what was said.

Like when someone makes a statement explaining or describing something profound, and another person declares, 'I hear you!'

10:17

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. the evidence of things not seen. (hebrews)

Faith is an assurance, A confidence. A trust. Paul shows us in Romans 4 what true biblical faith looks like.

Romans 4
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.

1. It is of faith. that it might be of grace
2. It is contrary to hope. yet it is believed
3. it is not being weak in faith, in unbelief, but is strengthened in faith. This gives God the glory
4. It is being fully convinced that God is not only able to perform what he promised but he will
5. it is the same for us.. are we fully convinced that Jesus was raised from the dead. and this ressurection is the basis of our justification.

 

[amazingrace]

Salvation in a nutshell!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people,(justification) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ / Mt 10:22 endures to the end Shall be saved. (Salvation)

(((definition of terms)))

"first we must agree on these terms or we can never attain to an understanding"


The process of salvation!
(any part of the process of salvation can be called salvation or the past tense saved especially the redemption which was accomplished by Christ)

((Redemption))

eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

((Justification))

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, (redemption) much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (righteousness)

* * * * * * *

{ before justification works? no!
"justification is a free gift"
after justification works? yes }

* * * * * * *

((Union))

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

Phil 4:13 with Christ? all things!

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...

Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

((sanctification))

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

practice of the virtues: faith, hope, & charity etc.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (impossible without works) mt 26:41 watch & pray / heb 12:4 James 4:7 resist / eph 6:10-18 armor of God / Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 suffering

((grace enables good works))

Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2 cor 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Colossians 1:6
Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

((Perseverance))

Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Romans 2:7 patience
James 1:4 patience a perfect work
Hebrews 10:36
need of patience
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth


((Perseverance unto death))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Judgement))

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

((eternal life: grace))
(life & union now)

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

2 cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (grace)

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life: full eternal salvation in the next life))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

2 pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

((Gloification))

Glorification: crowned by God if we suffer with Christ!
(rom 8:17 2 tim 2:12)

thks

 

[Wansvic]

We have two examples of the Spirit directing both authors below.

Galatians 1:15-16
But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased to reveal
His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood.

Revelation 1:17-19
When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, “Do not be afraid; I am
the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death
and of Hades. Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place
after these things.

Now we have a quotation from Luke which does not demonstrate that direct activity of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:1-3
Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile an account of the things accomplished among us, just as they were
handed down to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, it seemed fitting for
me as well, having investigated everything carefully from the beginning, to write it out for you in consecutive order,
most excellent Theophilus.

There are three points to note about Luke's account.

There are many accounts written about the ministry of Jesus not just four accounts.

Luke is investigating and compiling the information he wrote from various sources.

We do not observe that Luke's account is directed by the Holy Spirit because Luke does not state that.

As far as I am concerned I do not read Luke's compiled account as a basis for doctrine.

Just a simple additional comment to make about the translation of the Greek below from Luke 1.

who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word

If you were a translator of the Koine Greek text would you insert a capital "W" in the occurrence of the 'word' above?

Is an eyewitness of "the word" an eyewitness of the N.T, a message, or an eyewitness of Jesus Christ?

You are, of course, welcome to believe that the Gospel of Luke is not inspired, or whatever else you choose. As for me, I am confident that the biblical record is inspired by God—God-breathed.

To reject Luke's Gospel as uninspired or unreliable, is not merely questioning one isolated book. You are calling into question a Gospel account that runs parallel to the other three Gospels, especially Matthew and Mark. Together they are called the Synoptic Gospels because they recount many of the same events in Jesus' life, often in a similar sequence and sometimes with nearly identical wording. John's Gospel is more distinct, but records the same Jesus, His ministry, death, and resurrection.

Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day" (John 12:48, KJV).

 

[Lamar]

By the grace of God who bestowed faith, we are Saved.

By the grace of God who by obedience, we are Saved.

"After he was brought to his goal, he became the source of eternal salvation for everyone who obeys him," (Hebrews 5:9)

I leave worker bee's to their ideology. They can't be Saved unless they work for it.

I leave the "chosen ones" to their arrogance. They can't help but be saved.

If God has Saved them,they shall be so. If they are called to think to work for a reward and they are not God's chosen,the world and her people will be served by those labors.

If in the end they are saved, who am I to question. If they in their ignorance continue in their delusion of self-appointed election, the world and her people will be served as a cautionary tale of thinking too highly of ourselves.

 

[amazingrace]

is he doing this or are you?

Eternal life. Literally this person will live forever
Redemption. - purchased by another. We are4 redeemed by the blood (ie the cross)
Justification. a legal term. it means declaired righteous. Innocent of wrong doing.
Sanctification, Our ongoing Christian growth, He who began a good work will complete it.
Perseverance - Not sure why youi ask about this. God preserves us, we can not preserve ourselves or persevere
Death and judgment - the saved or no longer dead, we who were dead were made alive. The lost remain dead. and if they do not repent, will be judged to eternal death.
Eternal salvation - see eternal life.

same term has different meaning!

"eternal life"

Eternal life has two parts:

part one) grace that we receive now in this life with the initial grace of justification which we can increase by good works and lose by sin.

part two) eternal salvation after death, judgment, eternal life in the glories of heaven.

((eternal life refers to grace))

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)


((promise of eternal salvation))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

thks

 

[amazingrace]

more

Salvation in a nutshell!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people,(justification) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ / Mt 10:22 endures to the end Shall be saved. (Salvation)

(((definition of terms)))

"first we must agree on these terms or we can never attain to an understanding"


The process of salvation!
(any part of the process of salvation can be called salvation or the past tense saved especially the redemption which was accomplished by Christ)

((Redemption))

eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

((Justification))

Romans 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, (redemption) much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. (righteousness)

* * * * * * *

{ before justification works? no!
"justification is a free gift"
after justification works? yes }

* * * * * * *

((Union))

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

Phil 4:13 with Christ? all things!

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...

Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

((sanctification))

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

practice of the virtues: faith, hope, & charity etc.

1 Thessalonians 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: (impossible without works) mt 26:41 watch & pray / heb 12:4 James 4:7 resist / eph 6:10-18 armor of God / Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 suffering

((grace enables good works))

Jn 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

2 cor 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Colossians 1:6
Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

((Perseverance))

Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Romans 2:7 patience
James 1:4 patience a perfect work
Hebrews 10:36
need of patience
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 tim 5:12 lost faith
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth


((Perseverance unto death))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

((Judgement))

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

((eternal life: grace))
(life & union now)

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

2 cor 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; (grace)

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life: full eternal salvation in the next life))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

2 pet 1:4
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

((Gloification))

Glorification: crowned by God if we suffer with Christ!
(rom 8:17 2 tim 2:12)

 

[amazingrace]

is he doing this or are you?

Eternal life. Literally this person will live forever
Redemption. - purchased by another. We are4 redeemed by the blood (ie the cross)
Justification. a legal term. it means declaired righteous. Innocent of wrong doing.
Sanctification, Our ongoing Christian growth, He who began a good work will complete it.
Perseverance - Not sure why youi ask about this. God preserves us, we can not preserve ourselves or persevere
Death and judgment - the saved or no longer dead, we who were dead were made alive. The lost remain dead. and if they do not repent, will be judged to eternal death.
Eternal salvation - see eternal life.

we do not have eternal salvation

Mk 10:30 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 rev 2:10

we have the grace of justification

grace can be increased by good works mt 7:7 mt 7:14 mt 26:41
2 pet 3:18

grace enables good works
Jn 15:4
2 cor 12:9
Romans 1:5
Colossians 1:6

grace can be lost by deadly sin

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

We have union by grace not eternal salvation!

Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10 life and life more abundantly

Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: (sin translates us back into darkness) Lk 13:27

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (spiritual death to spiritual life of grace)

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death. (back to spiritual death)

conditional perseverance

Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

thks

 

[Wansvic]

acts 2:38 the command to be baptized is given in the name of Jesus not the baptism itself

which one again?

Acts 2:38 acts 10:48 “… in the name of Jesus Christ …”

acts 8:16 “… in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

acts 19:5 1 cor 6:11 “ … in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

acts 22:16 “… calling on His name"

thks

Scripture never says, "Command them in Jesus' name, but baptize them using different words."

Luke repeatedly records believers being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5), and Ananias tells Paul to be baptized, "calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16). Paul likewise reminds the Corinthians they were "washed... in the name of the Lord Jesus" (1 Cor. 6:11). The consistent emphasis is that the name of Jesus is connected with the baptism itself, not merely with the command to be baptized.

 

[Wansvic]

I have no say on this, but wouldn't it be ideal to do as per what Jesus said rather than what the disciples did?

Wow. So you believe Jesus' disciples, those who knew Him best did not obey Jesus?

 

[maximc]

Wow. So you believe Jesus' disciples, those who knew Him best did not obey Jesus?

I wouldn't say that they did not obey Jesus. What I would say is that they had a certain revelation on water baptism which I do not have.

 

[amazingrace]

the wage of sin is death

but the fruit of my labor is eternal life

is this what it says?

do you have the grace of justification and union with Christ?


Jn 15:5

apart from Christ?

NOTHING!

phil 4:13

Union with Christ?

ALL THINGS!

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Our good works after we receive the grace of justification are transformed by grace and performed in grace united with Christ and given life of the spirit because of God's grace operating in us!

thks

By the grace of justification we have union with God thru Christ, in the communion of saints, empowered by grace and life in the spirit to attain to eternal salvation in glory!

Jn 15:4 abide in Christ
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
Jude 1:21 Keeping ourselves in the love of God.
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

Galatians 5:6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

acts 10:35
Fulfilling all righteousness!

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The means of our salvation is according to the purpose of our creation!

Our Eternal Purpose!

To Know, Love, & serve God!

Col 1:9-12

9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

 

[amazingrace]

you are conflating redemption, justification, sanctification, perseverance all are parts in the process of salvation but all are not eternal salvation!

thks

define please or we are not on the same page

eternal life:
general redemption:
justification:
sanctification:
perseverance:
death & judgement:
final
eternal salvation:

see # 3129 please

 

[dkontner]

Jesus is the FULLNESS of the Godhead bodily, He is the way, truth and the life. He isn't the second person of anything and the disciples knew exactly what the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is.

John 14​

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.