Saved by faith alone?

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studier

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Stop playing games
if I believe but do not have faith am I saved?
You just told me Jesus said if you believe you have EL.

So, it seems to me you're stuck with having to decide if you also need faith, or if Jesus was wrong, or if belief and faith are the same thing.
 
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You just told me Jesus said if you believe you have EL.

So, it seems to me you're stuck with having to decide if you also need faith, or if Jesus was wrong, or if belief and faith are the same thing.
Once again
if I belief but My belief does not reach the state of confidence or faith
am I saved
if you don’t answer I will assume you can’t. Or you are just playing games
 
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Once again
if I belief but My belief does not reach the state of confidence or faith
am I saved
if you don’t answer I will assume you can’t. Or you are just playing games
I'd just go with playing word games for them. Obviously demons believe but are not saved.

The question should be what do they believe? They believe that there is one God. This is what Scripture actually says:

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

It says nothing of them believing the gospel or having faith that Jesus can save them. Any cursory
reading of Scripture will in fact reveal that the demons knew Jesus was going to destroy them.
 

studier

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Once again
if I belief but My belief does not reach the state of confidence or faith
am I saved
if you don’t answer I will assume you can’t. Or you are just playing games
It looks to me like you need to tell Jesus that we need faith for EL not just belief.

So, it looks to me like you're confused.
 
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Okay, when does "heart circumcision" occur?
Before one believes. Same as being made alive in Christ. I know free willers think they effectuate that change while they are spiritually dead. But you know that makes zero sense given all Scripture has to say on the matter, including Jesus saying with man it is impossible. Similar to Him saying a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. The natural man does not decide to believe that which is foolishness to him, to which he is adamantly opposed and unable to comprehend or accept/receive, while hostile in his mind to God, a slave to sin, captive to the will of the devil, a lover of darkness, defined as darkness itself, and suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. Do these very salient Biblical facts ever get acknowledged by you, or do you just routinely ignore them and brush them aside as inconvenient and unworthy of consideration?


Philippians 3 verse 3; Colossians 2 verse 11; Romans 2 verse 29b ~ For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh. You were also circumcised, in the putting off of your sinful nature, with the circumcision performed by Christ and not by human hands. Circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.
 
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It looks to me like you need to tell Jesus that we need faith for EL not just belief.

So, it looks to me like you're confused.
Your playing
for god so lived the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever faiths in him
what’s wrong with this as written
 

Kroogz

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metabolizing // checked close to 30 versions

Sorry, we didn’t find any results for your search.
Yeah. It's from line upon line and precept upon precept. Google and search tools haven't caught up with real study yet. Obviously babes in Christ and churchianity haven't either.
 

lrs68

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You going to make me do the work or are you going to provide the Scripture to prove what Yeshua said and in what context?
Actually it was Paul who mentioned it but he said what he got to share with us came directly from Jesus:

3 For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think as to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to each man a measure of faith.
 

studier

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Actually it was Paul who mentioned it but he said what he got to share with us came directly from Jesus:

3 For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think as to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to each man a measure of faith.
Yes, and a good example of why it's best not to just accept what everyone says. Simple mistake.

What's the context?