Saved by faith alone?
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Where do you ever go beyond proof-texting to harmonizing?
I first came to an understanding of such passages by 1970,
when I began reading the NEB from beginning to end
and seeking to harmonize passages by making margin notes,
(in three other translations by now), so perhaps our disconnect
is merely due to age difference.
I first came to an understanding of such passages by 1970,
when I began reading the NEB from beginning to end
and seeking to harmonize passages by making margin notes,
(in three other translations by now), so perhaps our disconnect
is merely due to age difference.
You will never get an honest answer because most people first and foremost believe in the doctrine their parents followed. This was done under the guise of train up a child and they shall not depart from it.
Generally speaking, most adults continue to follow their parents Doctrines while adding something new they discover along the way.
Generally speaking, most adults continue to follow their parents Doctrines while adding something new they discover along the way.
Yes, the parable is about 4 soils and one being desirable. Earlier, you said it was about men trying to become a different soil. This is what I objected to. It is not found in the parable, and not even possible.
God actually used this parable in saving me. And under conviction, I did cry out to God to change me. But I never tried to change myself so that God would have fertile soil to work with. I came as I was. God did the transforming.
This is the way it always is with God. He does the same thing with the leaders He chooses. He breaks them down so they lose confidence in their own abilities and rely solely on His power and leading.
And it is so in salvation. God brings us to a place of relying on Him alone as a means of escaping the wrath to come.
But the parable in question deals with none of this. It merely tells us what kind of soil we are.
God actually used this parable in saving me. And under conviction, I did cry out to God to change me. But I never tried to change myself so that God would have fertile soil to work with. I came as I was. God did the transforming.
This is the way it always is with God. He does the same thing with the leaders He chooses. He breaks them down so they lose confidence in their own abilities and rely solely on His power and leading.
And it is so in salvation. God brings us to a place of relying on Him alone as a means of escaping the wrath to come.
But the parable in question deals with none of this. It merely tells us what kind of soil we are.
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With God all things are possible (Matt. 19:26),
including your conviction.
Not trying to change yourself was fertile soil,
God wants to convict/transform everyone (1Tim. 2:3-4);
He chooses those who choose to seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Tit. 2:11, Ezek. 33:11) .
So what Scripture do you site to support disagreeing with this interpretation?
(Once/if cited, our task should be harmonizing them with these.)
including your conviction.
Not trying to change yourself was fertile soil,
God wants to convict/transform everyone (1Tim. 2:3-4);
He chooses those who choose to seek Him (Matt. 7:7, Tit. 2:11, Ezek. 33:11) .
So what Scripture do you site to support disagreeing with this interpretation?
(Once/if cited, our task should be harmonizing them with these.)
Studier everything will always be interpreted via a Calvinist/TULIP lens, but I know you know this.
It all comes down to denying that a person can believe the Gospel based on the power and truth inherent in the Gospel message
...... unless God selects them first for His internal intervention... every part of scripture is interpreted with this lens.
It all comes down to denying that a person can believe the Gospel based on the power and truth inherent in the Gospel message
...... unless God selects them first for His internal intervention... every part of scripture is interpreted with this lens.
Yes, and rightfully so, otherwise, it is the wisdom of men, not God
[1Co 2:7 KJV]
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
[1Co 2:7 KJV]
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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Yes, which is why that rather than both sides denying each other's evidence,
the approach we are using in studying the doctrine of election on the Hermeneutics thread
is the systematic and dialectical method of citing Scripture supporting each side's argument
and then work together to harmonize them.
(All who are willing to apply this method are welcome to participate.)
the approach we are using in studying the doctrine of election on the Hermeneutics thread
is the systematic and dialectical method of citing Scripture supporting each side's argument
and then work together to harmonize them.
(All who are willing to apply this method are welcome to participate.)
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Although we know that in their skewed theology, they gave it to themselves through what they claim was making
the right choice to believe that which was foolishness to them and which they were opposed to in their natural
condition, being hostile to God, a lover of darkness, and a slave to sin taken captive to the will of the devil.
1 Corinthians 2 verse 12; Colossians 2 verse 13 When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
the right choice to believe that which was foolishness to them and which they were opposed to in their natural
condition, being hostile to God, a lover of darkness, and a slave to sin taken captive to the will of the devil.
1 Corinthians 2 verse 12; Colossians 2 verse 13 When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
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