Saved by faith alone?

[Everlasting-Grace]

Can you accept the gift or is accepting a work also?

we recieve the gift in faith

john 1: 12. but as many as have received him, to them he gave the right to become children, even to them who believe


we recieve the gift in faith

john 3, for god so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will never perish, but has eternal life, for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already


We recieve the gift in faith

john 5: 24 “most assuredly, i say to you, he whoever hears my word and believes in him who sent me who sent me has eternal life and shall not come into judgment but has passed from death to life

we recieve the gift in faith

John 6:

john 6: 35 and Jesus said to them, “i am the bread of life. he who comes to me shall never hunger and he who believes in me shall never thirst

john 6: 37: and the one who comes to me i will by no means cast out 38 for i have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 this is the will of the father who sent me, that of all he has given me i shall lose nothing, but should raise it up on the last day. 40 and this is the will of him who sent me, that everyone who sees and believes in him may have everlasting life and i will raise him on the last day

john 6: 47 most assuredly, i say to you, he who believes in me has everlasting life. 48 i am the bread of life. 49 your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 this is the bread which comes down from heaven, that that one may eat of it and not die 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. if anyone eats this bread he will live forever

john 6: 63 it is the spirit who gives life ; the flesh profits nothing. the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life

we recieve the gift in faith. but we are saved by grace

eph 2: 4 but god, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together , and made us sit together in heavenly places 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 for by grace you have been saved (a completed action) through faith , and that not of yourselves ; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works lest anyone should boast

We recieve the gift in faith

eph 1: 13 in him you also trusted , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,having believed you were sealed with the holy spirit of promise 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory.

we recieve the gift in faith

Romans 4: the example of Abraham

rom 4: 3 for what does the scripture say? “abraham believed god and he accounted it to him as righteousness.” 4 now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but debt 5 but to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungoldy , his his faith is accounted for righteousness


rom 4: 16 therefore it if of faith that it may be according to grace , so that the promise may be sure to all the seed not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of abraham , who is the father of us all


rom 4: 23 now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us, it shall be imputed to us who believe in him who raised up Jesus our lord from the dead , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification

it is not recieved by our works

rom 11: 6 and if by grace, than it is no longer of works, ; otherwise grace is no longer grace.but if it is of works, then it is no longer of grace. otherwise work is no longer work

not by our works

2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works , but according to his own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began

Not by our works

titus 3: 4 but when the kindness and the love of god our savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior, 7 that having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life

It is based on a faith in our hope

titus 1: 2 in hope of eternal life which god who can not lie promised before time began
If you do not have etertnal life right now. you have no hope. if you have no hope. you have no faith
Heb 11: 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Romans 8:25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

Titus 3:7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

what do I think it is?

both grace now and eternal salvation after death and judgement

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
(grace now not eternal salvation)

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (grace more abundantly)

thks

yes. And whoever he gives it to will never be lost.

so why do you reject grace. and try to replace it with works?

Rom 11: 6 and if by grace, than it is no longer of works, ; otherwise grace is no longer grace.but if it is of works, then it is no longer of grace. otherwise work is no longer work

Grace and works cancel each other out. it can only be one or the other

 

[dkontner]

I was saved by His grace and mercy, nothing more. You either have been or you haven't. When I doubt, I pick up 1 John.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I was saved by His grace and mercy, nothing more. You either have been or you haven't. When I doubt, I pick up 1 John.

Amen, He wrote to us so we can know..

 

[amazingrace]

Grace was paid for on the cross.



which means you can not earn salvation to get it. and you can not unearn salvation because can not earn it.

how was grace paid for on the cross?

grace is the fruit of the cross, the infinite merits of Christ produces grace and makes it available to us!

grace is the life of our deeds!


you still assume we have salvation when we have grace with the promise of salvation

Jn 1:16



thks

Grace was paid for on the cross.



which means you can not earn salvation to get it. and you can not unearn salvation because can not earn it.

how was grace paid for on the cross?

grace is the fruit of the cross, the infinite merits of Christ produces grace and makes it available to us!

grace is the life of our deeds!


you still assume we have salvation when we have grace with the promise of salvation

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

not one grace but an anundance!

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

thks

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

how was grace paid for on the cross?

if you need to ask this, then I doubt you understand grace.

Jesus said it is finished, not I did my part now you do yours (the words literally mean pain in full)

the law showed us, blood and death must be shed for forgieveness of sin.

grace is the fruit of the cross, the infinite merits of Christ produces grace and makes it available to us!

grace is the life of our deeds!

Grce is the reason we are saved. and the means.

It also is the life of our deeds.. but our deeds cannot save us

you still assume we have salvation when we have grace with the promise of salvation

Jn 1:16

No. I have eternal life.
Your still working for it I assume?

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

thks

Keep going

Hebrews 10: 39
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[amazingrace]

Here is your mistake
Redemption is the payment, It is through his blood. it includes forgiveness of sin, according to his grace.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Colossians 1:14
in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Justification is a legal declaration. it literally means to be declaired righteous. However. it is not our righteousness that makes us justified. it is the sons righteousness..

I am justified. because my sins are forgiven, because of Gods grace. because of this I am saved

this is you trying to earn your salvation.

No amount of good works you could possibly do in your lifetime will pay for one sin..

so you will never be in a state where you are righteaus according to your good works.

not our works alone no!

but with the grace of justification we have Christ's grace, merits, strength, and life in His Spirit with the promise of eternal salvation!

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

thks

 

[amazingrace]

Here is your mistake
Redemption is the payment, It is through his blood. it includes forgiveness of sin, according to his grace.

Ephesians 1:7
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
Colossians 1:14
in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

Justification is a legal declaration. it literally means to be declaired righteous. However. it is not our righteousness that makes us justified. it is the sons righteousness..

I am justified. because my sins are forgiven, because of Gods grace. because of this I am saved

this is you trying to earn your salvation.

No amount of good works you could possibly do in your lifetime will pay for one sin..

so you will never be in a state where you are righteaus according to your good works.

heb 4:8-10

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

we must work until we enter into His rest!

Amen?

 

[dkontner]

John 3​

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

not our works alone no!

not our works at all

but with the grace of justification we have Christ's grace, merits, strength, and life in His Spirit with the promise of eternal salvation!

Titus 3:7
That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

thks

Yes. Your faith in eternal life

Not your works.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

heb 4:8-10

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

we must work until we enter into His rest!

Amen?

I entered his rest 50 years ago..

Have you?

Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[mailmandan]

I entered his rest 50 years ago..

Have you?

Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:2 - For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

 

[amazingrace]

But those words are addressed to believers. Resisting to blood, striving against sin, are not stated there as works to be done in order to receive salvation.

Jesus Himself is the Way. He said so in John 14:6. Going in by Him is not a work. It's relying on His work.

That was the incident of Paul as a Christian having what he called "a thorn in the flesh." Relying on the sufficient grace of Christ is not a work, and anyway, Paul was already saved at this stage.

can an unrepentant practicing homosexual go winging to heaven when they die cos they have faith?

thks

 

[amazingrace]

But those words are addressed to believers. Resisting to blood, striving against sin, are not stated there as works to be done in order to receive salvation.

Jesus Himself is the Way. He said so in John 14:6. Going in by Him is not a work. It's relying on His work.

That was the incident of Paul as a Christian having what he called "a thorn in the flesh." Relying on the sufficient grace of Christ is not a work, and anyway, Paul was already saved at this stage.

then why do we need to do it!

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in theflesh hath ceased from sin;

those who commit sin are at enmity with God and shall not have salvation!

eph 5:1-10

1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth

10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.

thks

 

[amazingrace]

But those words are addressed to believers. Resisting to blood, striving against sin, are not stated there as works to be done in order to receive salvation.

Jesus Himself is the Way. He said so in John 14:6. Going in by Him is not a work. It's relying on His work.

That was the incident of Paul as a Christian having what he called "a thorn in the flesh." Relying on the sufficient grace of Christ is not a work, and anyway, Paul was already saved at this stage.

then why do we need to do it!

1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in theflesh hath ceased from sin;

those who commit sin are at enmity with God and shall not have salvation!

eph 5:1-6

1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

But those words are addressed to believers. Resisting to blood, striving against sin, are not stated there as works to be done in order to receive salvation.

Jesus Himself is the Way. He said so in John 14:6. Going in by Him is not a work. It's relying on His work.

That was the incident of Paul as a Christian having what he called "a thorn in the flesh." Relying on the sufficient grace of Christ is not a work, and anyway, Paul was already saved at this stage.

geb 12:1-4

1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 ;For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Romans 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
(eternal salvation)


Romans 2:6-7

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
(eternal salvation)

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

thks

 

[Lamar]

we recieve the gift in faith

john 1: 12. but as many as have received him, to them he gave the right to become children, even to them who believe


we recieve the gift in faith

john 3, for god so loved the world he gave his only son that whoever believes in him will never perish, but has eternal life, for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already


We recieve the gift in faith

john 5: 24 “most assuredly, i say to you, he whoever hears my word and believes in him who sent me who sent me has eternal life and shall not come into judgment but has passed from death to life

we recieve the gift in faith

John 6:

john 6: 35 and Jesus said to them, “i am the bread of life. he who comes to me shall never hunger and he who believes in me shall never thirst

john 6: 37: and the one who comes to me i will by no means cast out 38 for i have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 this is the will of the father who sent me, that of all he has given me i shall lose nothing, but should raise it up on the last day. 40 and this is the will of him who sent me, that everyone who sees and believes in him may have everlasting life and i will raise him on the last day

john 6: 47 most assuredly, i say to you, he who believes in me has everlasting life. 48 i am the bread of life. 49 your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 this is the bread which comes down from heaven, that that one may eat of it and not die 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. if anyone eats this bread he will live forever

john 6: 63 it is the spirit who gives life ; the flesh profits nothing. the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life

we recieve the gift in faith. but we are saved by grace

eph 2: 4 but god, who is rich in mercy, because of his great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together , and made us sit together in heavenly places 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 for by grace you have been saved (a completed action) through faith , and that not of yourselves ; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works lest anyone should boast

We recieve the gift in faith

eph 1: 13 in him you also trusted , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,having believed you were sealed with the holy spirit of promise 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of his glory.

we recieve the gift in faith

Romans 4: the example of Abraham

rom 4: 3 for what does the scripture say? “abraham believed god and he accounted it to him as righteousness.” 4 now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but debt 5 but to him who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungoldy , his his faith is accounted for righteousness


rom 4: 16 therefore it if of faith that it may be according to grace , so that the promise may be sure to all the seed not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of abraham , who is the father of us all


rom 4: 23 now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us, it shall be imputed to us who believe in him who raised up Jesus our lord from the dead , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification

it is not recieved by our works

rom 11: 6 and if by grace, than it is no longer of works, ; otherwise grace is no longer grace.but if it is of works, then it is no longer of grace. otherwise work is no longer work

not by our works

2 tim 1: 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works , but according to his own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began

Not by our works

titus 3: 4 but when the kindness and the love of god our savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done , but according to his mercy he saved us through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our savior, 7 that having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life

It is based on a faith in our hope

titus 1: 2 in hope of eternal life which god who can not lie promised before time began
If you do not have etertnal life right now. you have no hope. if you have no hope. you have no faith
Heb 11: 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Romans 8:25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

Titus 3:7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

All that effort and you still did not address the question.

Are you in some twisted way simply saying that we receive grace and not accept grace?

If so, just say you are chosen by election and leave it at that.

Election is not an issue of choice or acceptance. In election there is no accepting grace or receiving grace, you are simply picked by God regardless of your personal desires or actions.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

All that effort and you still did not address the question.

Are you in some twisted way simply saying that we receive grace and not accept grace?

Are you in some way saying anyone would recieve grace by not accepting it?

If so, just say you are chosen by election and leave it at that.

Election is not an issue of choice or acceptance. In election there is no accepting grace or receiving grace, you are simply picked by God regardless of your personal desires or actions.

Election is an issue of choice.



set aside your calvinist hate and obsession and look to the word of God

 

[amazingrace]

But those words are addressed to believers. Resisting to blood, striving against sin, are not stated there as works to be done in order to receive salvation.

Jesus Himself is the Way. He said so in John 14:6. Going in by Him is not a work. It's relying on His work.

That was the incident of Paul as a Christian having what he called "a thorn in the flesh." Relying on the sufficient grace of Christ is not a work, and anyway, Paul was already saved at this stage.

when was paul
saved?

thks

 

[amazingrace]

salvation is a gift.

how do you recieve a gift with works?

You earned the wage of sin (death)

You can not earn the gift of life

salvation is a gift? scripture?

thks

 

[dkontner]

John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

Acts 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?