I think it's too many conspiracy ideas going around, everything is a conspiracy to hear some folks talk. I am just not into all of that. No, i personally don't think our govt had anything to do with either one..I do believe it's been somethings that happened, like the guns going to Mexico..i do believe we were supporting the Senolia cartel, in order to get the Los zetas out of the way..they are so violent.We will never, ever stop drugs from coming into our country..never but we can try to control which drug cartel is in control..sounds crazy but a mans going on trial in Chicago, going to testify just to that "fast and furious' was to aid the Senolia cartel in the war against the Los zetas! Seems as though, we do have have some secrtes going on but everything isn't a conspiracy. Start thinking like that..and you will never know what to believe. i know a guy, thinks his own momma is a conspiracy case, he's got it bad, LOL! Sometimes, it might be better if we just admit that bad things happen to good people, it's not always the govt..sometimes it has nothing to do with it at all, just pure evil!