School forces first grader to remove "God" from poem.

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They will never be able to remove it from the Spirit of the person.

Sign of the times but Love and Truth be forever.


Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.
 
Oh you're free to talk about anything but God, meaning, the real One.
 
This isn't a Freedom of Speech issue. It's a separation of Church and State issue.
This was for a school sponsored event. The school can get in WORLDS of trouble from the district if they have overtly religious content in their event.
I 100% support her poem being read, but the school officials could be fired if it was read during a school sponsored event. As a public school, there's just certain things you can't do.
We did a Native American play in high school, and my teacher had to fight and fight to get a LEGEND of theirs into the play. because it was a creation story. He had to make the case that it was educational and only mythology and not religion.
 
that is pathetic, trying to take or christianty away from us at a young age


we need to change that
 
quakerzen said:
This isn't a Freedom of Speech issue. It's a separation of Church and State issue.
This was for a school sponsored event. The school can get in WORLDS of trouble from the district if they have overtly religious content in their event.
I 100% support her poem being read, but the school officials could be fired if it was read during a school sponsored event. As a public school, there's just certain things you can't do.
We did a Native American play in high school, and my teacher had to fight and fight to get a LEGEND of theirs into the play. because it was a creation story. He had to make the case that it was educational and only mythology and not religion.
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I understand how it works sometimes, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I just don't think it's fair that the principle of separation between church and state should be applied to an innocent poem a girl wrote for her grandfather, a veteran no less. The principle is there so the church (any church) won't interfere with the matters of state and vice versa. Should we really want it to be applied on this level too? That girl had every right to write the poem the way she wrote it, WITH the word God in it, because she thought it was appropriate. Even at her age she has some right to freedom of speech. So in principle it wasn't a separation of church and state issue, but they sure turned it into one.
 
Newluke said:
I understand how it works sometimes, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. I just don't think it's fair that the principle of separation between church and state should be applied to an innocent poem a girl wrote for her grandfather, a veteran no less. The principle is there so the church (any church) won't interfere with the matters of state and vice versa. Should we really want it to be applied on this level too? That girl had every right to write the poem the way she wrote it, WITH the word God in it, because she thought it was appropriate. Even at her age she has some right to freedom of speech. So in principle it wasn't a separation of church and state issue, but they sure turned it into one.
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It isn't the point that she wrote it. The teacher wouldn't care if she had just wrote the poem for class and that was it. She presented it at a school sanctioned event, meaning she was performing it on behalf of the school. It's no longer freedom of speech if a public entity does that.
 
quakerzen said:
It isn't the point that she wrote it. The teacher wouldn't care if she had just wrote the poem for class and that was it. She presented it at a school sanctioned event, meaning she was performing it on behalf of the school. It's no longer freedom of speech if a public entity does that.
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Maybe, but to me it still isn't an issue of the separation of church and state either. It's just an innocent little poem for crying out loud. Funny enough I can't see what all the fuss is about. So she uses the word 'God,' so what? Religion is a part of our culture, our history, our heritage. If the liberals take offense to it they probably want to rewrite our history books too. Sounds like '1984' to me...

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In fairness to the Schools. There might be 50 different religions in a school. They can't pick just one religion. I can't immagine the mess 50 religions would cause in school. I will teach my grandchildren at home Thank You Very Much.
Christian School is an option.
 
50 religions with 20 denominations in each one...YIKIES. Reading, writing and Satan worship 101?
 
Newluke said:
Maybe, but to me it still isn't an issue of the separation of church and state either. It's just an innocent little poem for crying out loud. Funny enough I can't see what all the fuss is about. So she uses the word 'God,' so what? Religion is a part of our culture, our history, our heritage. If the liberals take offense to it they probably want to rewrite our history books too. Sounds like '1984' to me...

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I pretty much agree.

Plus, God is what we were founded upon. It's in our Constitution, it's in our early history. America wants to leave the very things we were founded upon? We're going to find ourselves in a dictatorship.

Separation of Church and State is not about separating the church from public schools, it was about the state keeping their nose outta the church's business. Public school's just trying to re-teach it so people believe it's like the former so they can get their way and that they can raise "the future of America 'correctly.'" In the next 10 years it's going to be real hard to find a Conservative.
 
The separation of Church and State is to prevent the government from enforcing religion on us. In England, people had to be Anglican and couldn't practice ANY other beliefs. That's why Quakers and Puritans and others fled to the new world. The founding fathers weren't all protestant, they didn't want a state sponsored religion at all. THAT is the sign of a theocratic dictatorship.
 
quakerzen said:
The separation of Church and State is to prevent the government from enforcing religion on us. In England, people had to be Anglican and couldn't practice ANY other beliefs. That's why Quakers and Puritans and others fled to the new world. The founding fathers weren't all protestant, they didn't want a state sponsored religion at all. THAT is the sign of a theocratic dictatorship.
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... but i bet they didn't want America to become a liberal dictatorship either. The US never had a state religion as such, true, but it has always been a christian nation. Our culture was very much influenced by christian tradition, we cannot simply ignore that fact.


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Newluke said:
... but i bet they didn't want America to become a liberal dictatorship either. The US never had a state religion as such, true, but it has always been a christian nation. Our culture was very much influenced by christian tradition, we cannot simply ignore that fact.


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You can't say the US has no state religion, then say it's a christian nation it's a complete contradiction.The US whether people like it or not is a secular state with a overwhelming majority of christians, who in no way can enforce their religion on others through the government.

It's one of the best things I've seen in a countries constitution. The separation of church and state.
 
DannyC said:
You can't say the US has no state religion, then say it's a christian nation it's a complete contradiction.The US whether people like it or not is a secular state with a overwhelming majority of christians, who in no way can enforce their religion on others through the government.

It's one of the best things I've seen in a countries constitution. The separation of church and state.
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No, it there isn't a contradiction there if you know what the definition of state religion is. State religion (also called an official religion, established church or state church) is a religious body or creed officially endorsed by the state. The founding fathers never endorsed ANY religion.
Christian traditions however (especially protestantism) have always influenced our culture deeply. So in that respect it's safe to say America essentially IS a christian country.
 
The idea that this is an attack is a little much don't you think?
Wow, never mind, just looked at the site, and its the "fox news" of the christian world. I'm out...
 
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