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Angelmommie
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...it is sad how we divide our selves so much when we really all love the same Father and Christ...what will be beautiful is when we are all in heaven and we are all truly one church!
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Re: DOG DUCKS, FAILS TO PROVE THAT THE RCC GIVES GOD'S TRUTH
We may tone down Dog, as his style can be annoying.
False, Christ named it Church, ekklesia, & Body of Christ. There were not competing bodies called Church in a similar sense.
Ignatius of Antioch appears to have been a paranoid megalomanic. He is irrelevant.
That is a lie. Over & over scripture offers salvation for faith & nothing else; faith alone. To be saved one must trust Christ alone, adding anything else to rely on is idolatry. Works can't save because the unsaved man has no good works.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works.
Sirs, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
Believe on the Lord Jesus, & you shall be saved.
He who believes on the Son has eternal life;
John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholds the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .
Who is this that even forgiveth sins? And he said unto the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
1 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through
faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe;
for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and
the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by
a law of faith. 28We reckon therefore that a man is
justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of
all them that believe,
though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16
For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of
the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed,
even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but
waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
24 but for our sake also, unto whom it shall be reckoned, who believe on him that raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification.
5:1 Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2 through whom also we have had our access
by faith into this grace wherein we stand;
We may tone down Dog, as his style can be annoying.
False, Christ named it Church, ekklesia, & Body of Christ. There were not competing bodies called Church in a similar sense.
Ignatius of Antioch appears to have been a paranoid megalomanic. He is irrelevant.
That is a lie. Over & over scripture offers salvation for faith & nothing else; faith alone. To be saved one must trust Christ alone, adding anything else to rely on is idolatry. Works can't save because the unsaved man has no good works.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, not of works.
Sirs, what MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
Believe on the Lord Jesus, & you shall be saved.
He who believes on the Son has eternal life;
John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6
35 Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholds the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .
Who is this that even forgiveth sins? And he said unto the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
1 But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through
faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe;
for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and
the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by
a law of faith. 28We reckon therefore that a man is
justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounceth blessing upon the man, unto whom God reckoneth righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of
all them that believe,
though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16
For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of
the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed,
even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but
waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
24 but for our sake also, unto whom it shall be reckoned, who believe on him that raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses, and was raised for our justification.
5:1 Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; 2 through whom also we have had our access
by faith into this grace wherein we stand;
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kennethcadwell
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Re: DOG DUCKS, FAILS TO PROVE THAT THE RCC GIVES GOD'S TRUTH
First off the source did not say Constantine did not establish the Catholic church, it says made himself as head of the church in 313.
Second their is no actual evidence that the Apostle Peter was ever a pope. Only the Catholic dogma says this.
The bible does not make him to be a pope, and Peter himself even calls himself only a fellow brother of Christ.
He does not put himself up higher than another believer, nor does he put himself in place of God.
He even says that this is wrong to do.
The pope claims to be the only one that has a direct connection to God, and nobody else can have a personal relationship with God. He calls that dangerous teaching, the bible however says we all have and develop a personal relationship with Him. Even the Catholic priests go by the title of father, which Jesus specifically says not to do.
There are other denominations that keep communion, like the baptist church I was in as a child. They took it once a year.
You want to say flawless, but I have shown you how the Catholic church is not.
Even the recent pope is allowing things the bible says is not acceptable.
First off the source did not say Constantine did not establish the Catholic church, it says made himself as head of the church in 313.
Second their is no actual evidence that the Apostle Peter was ever a pope. Only the Catholic dogma says this.
The bible does not make him to be a pope, and Peter himself even calls himself only a fellow brother of Christ.
He does not put himself up higher than another believer, nor does he put himself in place of God.
He even says that this is wrong to do.
The pope claims to be the only one that has a direct connection to God, and nobody else can have a personal relationship with God. He calls that dangerous teaching, the bible however says we all have and develop a personal relationship with Him. Even the Catholic priests go by the title of father, which Jesus specifically says not to do.
There are other denominations that keep communion, like the baptist church I was in as a child. They took it once a year.
You want to say flawless, but I have shown you how the Catholic church is not.
Even the recent pope is allowing things the bible says is not acceptable.
Believing ON Jesus to be saved is to; Believe the words of Jesus!
Believing in Faith ALONE is trusting your salvation in the TEACHING of the MAN, "Martin Luther"! He started the teaching of Saved by "Faith ALONE" sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus established his TEACHING CHURCH!
To believe in Jesus, you MUST reject the man made teaching "Faith ALONE saves" of Martin Luther!
Words of Jesus to his CHURCH: "Go and TEACH ALL NATIONS, I am with you ALWAYS to the end of time"!
Words of Jesus to his CHURCH: "Go and make DISCIPLES of all nations BAPTIZING"!
Pointing to his DISCIPLES Jesus said; "Here are my brothers"!
Clearly Jesus has a CHURCH with AUTHORITY to make his BROTHERS!
Believing in Faith ALONE is trusting your salvation in the TEACHING of the MAN, "Martin Luther"! He started the teaching of Saved by "Faith ALONE" sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus established his TEACHING CHURCH!
To believe in Jesus, you MUST reject the man made teaching "Faith ALONE saves" of Martin Luther!
Words of Jesus to his CHURCH: "Go and TEACH ALL NATIONS, I am with you ALWAYS to the end of time"!
Words of Jesus to his CHURCH: "Go and make DISCIPLES of all nations BAPTIZING"!
Pointing to his DISCIPLES Jesus said; "Here are my brothers"!
Clearly Jesus has a CHURCH with AUTHORITY to make his BROTHERS!
Grocery lists quoted from modern sites, like pope lists of the RCC, prove nothing. The NT has nothing like the RCC, except perhaps as obviously disapproved evil situations (perhaps the Church of Thyatira in Revelation with its Jezebel).
But the entrance of God's word brings light.
First step to enter the true catholic Church is to trust Christ as SAvior & be Spirit baptized (1 Cor 12:13).
Try calling on the name of the Lord Jesus in faith for salvation:
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved; but how shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed?
Note the power of the whosoever and how it excludes other things as essential.
Once salvation is offered to whosoever believes, all who believe, and everyone who believes, you just cannot add on any idols, like water or works.
But the entrance of God's word brings light.
First step to enter the true catholic Church is to trust Christ as SAvior & be Spirit baptized (1 Cor 12:13).
Try calling on the name of the Lord Jesus in faith for salvation:
Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved.
For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved; but how shall they call on Him in Whom they have not believed?
Note the power of the whosoever and how it excludes other things as essential.
Once salvation is offered to whosoever believes, all who believe, and everyone who believes, you just cannot add on any idols, like water or works.
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kennethcadwell
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...it is sad how we divide our selves so much when we really all love the same Father and Christ...what will be beautiful is when we are all in heaven and we are all truly one church!
I don't have a problem with Catholic's.
I love my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, and I was once in the Catholic church.
What I do have a problem with is Catholic's who claim they are the only true members of the church, and the rest of us our lost unless we join their church.
The true church the bible speaks of is the body of believers in Jesus Christ, which the earliest believers being that of Peter, and the rest of the Apostles were called Christians in the book of Acts. The title of Christians was well established before Catholic, Baptist, or any other title/denomination was established.
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kennethcadwell
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Another point you make that I do agree with, because faith alone does not save.
You can not earn your way into heaven with works, but works do work hand and hand with salvation.
Without repentance, baptism, confessing Him before other people, and walking in love faith means nothing.
You can not say you believe in the Lord, but don't do as He says.
Even He says that if you love Him and believe in Him as your Lord then you will keep His commandments.
So when will you start believing His words?
"FEAR NOT, ONLY BELIEVE!"
Only, only, only!
There it is, faith alone!
Over & over, salvation is offered for only believe! Only faith! Only trust! Nothing else!
Believe the Lord Jesus, He does not falsely advertise.
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER, NO RCC, NO MARY]
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus[/B], that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Gal 3:
This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh? 4 Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if it be indeed in vain. 5 He therefore that supplieth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or
by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as
Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 7 Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. 9 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them. Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith; 12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one who hangs on a tree: that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Gal 3:22ff
But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Gal 5:5-6
For we through the Spirit by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Eph 2:
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one should boast
[NO WORKS, NO WATER, NO PAPA, NO RCC]
Be honest Kenneth. The papists do not immerse in water. So will they go to hell for that? By baptism you do mean water immersion, do you not?
Re: DOG DUCKS, FAILS TO PROVE THAT THE RCC GIVES GOD'S TRUTH
I reply: You are wrong! Constantine is not the head, he never said he was the head.. He said it was the Official religion of the Roman empire!
He had a vision and these words from heaven; "You will conquer under this sign" (a cross)
Before Constantine Jesus had already established his Holy BLAMELESS Catholic Church!
Scriptures tell you "God himself from heaven, kept Peter from error!"
Scriptures tell you "Peter is the ROCK the church Jesus established on"!
God tells you the Church will never fail!
Last but NOT least... Jesus gave the KEYS to Peter ALONE!!! Keys are a symbol of AUTHORITY!!!
Matthew 16
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Scriptures tell you... Jesus made Peter the SHEPHERD of his flock!
Jesus tells you also "Jesus PRAYED for Peter"!
Jesus also tells you.. "Peter will STRENGTHEN the other apostles!"
Jesus tells you in his BIBLE... "Peter' shadow heals all it lands on!"
AND..
Peter speaks for Jesus with Jesus' authority!!!
Thank you for your post..
I reply: You are wrong! Constantine is not the head, he never said he was the head.. He said it was the Official religion of the Roman empire!
He had a vision and these words from heaven; "You will conquer under this sign" (a cross)
Before Constantine Jesus had already established his Holy BLAMELESS Catholic Church!
Scriptures tell you "God himself from heaven, kept Peter from error!"
Scriptures tell you "Peter is the ROCK the church Jesus established on"!
God tells you the Church will never fail!
Last but NOT least... Jesus gave the KEYS to Peter ALONE!!! Keys are a symbol of AUTHORITY!!!
Matthew 16
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
18 And I tell you that you are Peter,and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”
Scriptures tell you... Jesus made Peter the SHEPHERD of his flock!
Jesus tells you also "Jesus PRAYED for Peter"!
Jesus also tells you.. "Peter will STRENGTHEN the other apostles!"
Jesus tells you in his BIBLE... "Peter' shadow heals all it lands on!"
AND..
Peter speaks for Jesus with Jesus' authority!!!
RIGHT... The Sheep in Matthew 25... Go to heaven because they "GIVE"! Giving is Acts of LOVE from the heart!
GIVING is NOT working, it is Good works of the heart.. Good works is not works of the LAW!
The Goats in the same story do go to damnation because they have "Faith ALONE" they have NO actions of the heart.. They GIVE Jesus NOTHING!
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kennethcadwell
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Re: DOG DUCKS, FAILS TO PROVE THAT THE RCC GIVES GOD'S TRUTH
Once again Jesus did not establish it, that is false Catholic dogma.
Jesus was crucified on the cross, the Catholic church was not stared tell years later.
The Apostles were called Christians before they were ever called anything else. This is the church Jesus started, Christians that make up the body of believers.
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The disciples/apostles were called Christians first, the catholic church has not been formed yet at this time.
The one true church made up of believers and followers in Christ, Christians.
Once again Jesus did not establish it, that is false Catholic dogma.
Jesus was crucified on the cross, the Catholic church was not stared tell years later.
The Apostles were called Christians before they were ever called anything else. This is the church Jesus started, Christians that make up the body of believers.
Acts 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
The disciples/apostles were called Christians first, the catholic church has not been formed yet at this time.
[h=3]Ephesians 2:19-22 [/h]So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
Here we see that when you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior and follow Him you become part of the church, which it shows Jesus and the Apostles the foundation was built from. Which from the previous scripture I gave shows them as being called Christians.
Romans 12:5
So we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Here we see that when you believe in Jesus as your Lord and Savior and follow Him you become part of the church, which it shows Jesus and the Apostles the foundation was built from. Which from the previous scripture I gave shows them as being called Christians.
Romans 12:5
So we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.
Then here you have the Apostle Paul stating that all believers in Christ are part of one body in Christ. The one true church made up of believers and followers in Christ, Christians.
All the Apostolic FAthers were CATHOLICS!! They ate "EUCHARIST" The Body of Jesus in the form of bread!
Ignatius of Antioch
"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
Pope Clement I
"Owing to the sudden and repeated calamities and misfortunes which have befallen us, we must acknowledge that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the matters in dispute among you, beloved; and especially that abominable and unholy sedition, alien and foreign to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-willed persons have inflamed to such madness that your venerable and illustrious name, worthy to be loved by all men, has been greatly defamed. . . . Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobey the things which have been said by him [God] through us [i.e., that you must reinstate your leaders], let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger. . . . You will afford us joy and gladness if being obedient to the things which we have written through the Holy Spirit, you will root out the wicked passion of jealousy" (Letter to the Corinthians 1, 58–59, 63 [A.D. 80]).
Hermas
"Therefore shall you [Hermas] write two little books and send one to Clement [Bishop of Rome] and one to Grapte. Clement shall then send it to the cities abroad, because that is his duty" (The Shepherd 2:4:3 [A.D. 80]).
Ignatius of Antioch
"Ignatius . . . to the church also which holds the presidency, in the location of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and, because you hold the presidency in love, named after Christ and named after the Father" (Letter to the Romans 1:1 [A.D. 110]).
Dionysius of Corinth
"For from the beginning it has been your custom to do good to all the brethren in various ways and to send contributions to all the churches in every city. . . . This custom your blessed Bishop Soter has not only preserved, but is augmenting, by furnishing an abundance of supplies to the saints and by urging with consoling words, as a loving father his children, the brethren who are journeying" (Letter to Pope Soter in Eusebius, Church History 4:23:9 [A.D. 170]).
kennethcadwell "Just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
Ignatius of Antioch
"Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains [i.e., a presbyter]. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).
just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
Pope Clement I
"Owing to the sudden and repeated calamities and misfortunes which have befallen us, we must acknowledge that we have been somewhat tardy in turning our attention to the matters in dispute among you, beloved; and especially that abominable and unholy sedition, alien and foreign to the elect of God, which a few rash and self-willed persons have inflamed to such madness that your venerable and illustrious name, worthy to be loved by all men, has been greatly defamed. . . . Accept our counsel and you will have nothing to regret. . . . If anyone disobey the things which have been said by him [God] through us [i.e., that you must reinstate your leaders], let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and in no small danger. . . . You will afford us joy and gladness if being obedient to the things which we have written through the Holy Spirit, you will root out the wicked passion of jealousy" (Letter to the Corinthians 1, 58–59, 63 [A.D. 80]).
Hermas
"Therefore shall you [Hermas] write two little books and send one to Clement [Bishop of Rome] and one to Grapte. Clement shall then send it to the cities abroad, because that is his duty" (The Shepherd 2:4:3 [A.D. 80]).
Ignatius of Antioch
"Ignatius . . . to the church also which holds the presidency, in the location of the country of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honor, worthy of blessing, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy of sanctification, and, because you hold the presidency in love, named after Christ and named after the Father" (Letter to the Romans 1:1 [A.D. 110]).
Dionysius of Corinth
"For from the beginning it has been your custom to do good to all the brethren in various ways and to send contributions to all the churches in every city. . . . This custom your blessed Bishop Soter has not only preserved, but is augmenting, by furnishing an abundance of supplies to the saints and by urging with consoling words, as a loving father his children, the brethren who are journeying" (Letter to Pope Soter in Eusebius, Church History 4:23:9 [A.D. 170]).
kennethcadwell "Just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church"
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I don't condemn people for how they are taught if the teaching is wrong.
I just point out the error to them, and pray that the Lord our God will help them to see it and change it.
For we all have a chance to change from our wrongs and do what is right.
I do believe by what the bible teaches, and that is the baptism commanded by our Lord in Mark 16:16 and Matthew 28 is immersion in water. Not sprinkling with water.
The word used in both those scriptures is Baptizo, which means immersion in water.
We are not called to go around condemning others, we are called to help others out in how they are wrong in scripture, and accept the correction when we ourselves are wrong in scripture.
Faith only does not lead to salvation though.
Claim to believe and trust Jesus as your Lord and Savior, but never repent of your sins, confess Him before others, live a life of hatred by condemning others and see where that gets you.
I myself stick to trusting in my Lord Jesus Christ, and showing that love and trust by following His teachings.
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Sorry I don't go by Catholic dogma, I go by what the bible says.
The bible says they were Christians, not Catholic's.
Now if being Catholic, you consider yourself to be Christian than that is good.
I have come across some Catholic churches that do not claim to be Christians. This is sad because the bible refers to the first original Apostles as being Christians.
The bible says they were Christians, not Catholic's.
Now if being Catholic, you consider yourself to be Christian than that is good.
I have come across some Catholic churches that do not claim to be Christians. This is sad because the bible refers to the first original Apostles as being Christians.
Sorry I don't go by Catholic dogma, I go by what the bible says.
The bible says they were Christians, not Catholic's.
Now if being Catholic, you consider yourself to be Christian than that is good.
I have come across some Catholic churches that do not claim to be Christians. This is sad because the bible refers to the first original Apostles as being Christians.
All the Apostolic Fathers are Catholic's CHRISTIANS every one!!!
kennethcadwell Again you spread more LIES!!! Documented history proves you wrong, the Catholic Church is two thousand years old, older then most countries!!
Until the great Protest all the world had was The Catholic CHURCH.. CHRISTIANS!!!!
Christians believe the words of CHRIST!! The "De-Formers" rejected Jesus' words for the words of Martin Luther!
The bible says they were Christians, not Catholic's.
Now if being Catholic, you consider yourself to be Christian than that is good.
I have come across some Catholic churches that do not claim to be Christians. This is sad because the bible refers to the first original Apostles as being Christians.
All the Apostolic Fathers are Catholic's CHRISTIANS every one!!!
kennethcadwell Again you spread more LIES!!! Documented history proves you wrong, the Catholic Church is two thousand years old, older then most countries!!
Until the great Protest all the world had was The Catholic CHURCH.. CHRISTIANS!!!!
Christians believe the words of CHRIST!! The "De-Formers" rejected Jesus' words for the words of Martin Luther!
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Wrong, and you go by Catholics supposed history teachings.
Not actual historical accounts, and not what the bible teaches. The bible nowhere mentions Catholic, for Catholic was not even a mindset when the original texts of the bible were written.
Christians were what the original Apostles/disciples were called.
Then branches started to form out of this, first the Catholic, and then the others such as baptism and so on......
I do agree the first denomination that was formed out of Christianity was Catholic, but it is not the only one and it is not flawless as you say.
If it were flawless, then it would not hold to titles of father for their priest's. It would not hold to you have to go to confession to a priest for forgiveness of sins. It also would not accept gay relationships, and blended worshiping between Christians and Muslims as this pope is doing.
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Dogknox I am going to bed now but I wanted to leave off with this;
I was in a Baptist church for many years, and was in a Catholic church for 5 years.
The Baptist church I was in taught closer to biblical truth then the Catholic church I was in.
You say Baptist reject the Lords words. I can tell you straight up they do not, or at least the Baptist church I was in taught to stand firm in all of His teachings as the great commission says.
We had to repent of our sins to the Lord, be baptized, confessing Him, and living in love.
I was in a Baptist church for many years, and was in a Catholic church for 5 years.
The Baptist church I was in taught closer to biblical truth then the Catholic church I was in.
You say Baptist reject the Lords words. I can tell you straight up they do not, or at least the Baptist church I was in taught to stand firm in all of His teachings as the great commission says.
We had to repent of our sins to the Lord, be baptized, confessing Him, and living in love.
Scriptures tell you.. Baptism ADDS people to Jesus' body!! It cannot be symbolic!
Scriptures tell you.. "Baptism makes DISCIPLES"! It cannot be symbolic!
Scriptures tell you.. "Baptism makes Jesus' brothers, thus God' children!" It cannot be symbolic!
Scriptures tell you.. "God wanted the Eunuch BAPTIZED in water"! It cannot be symbolic!
Scriptures tell you.. "Peter ordered people baptized, with Jesus' authority, speaking for Jesus: In Jesus' name!" Clearly Peter would not have spoken for Jesus, if Jesus did not want them baptized! It cannot be symbolic!
Scriptures tell you.. "Baptized people receive the GIFT of the Holy Spirit!" "THEY RECEIVE GOD"!!! It cannot be symbolic!
Scriptures tell you.. "Must be baptized to enter the kingdom"! It cannot be symbolic!
The Apostolic Fathers BAPTIZED to make Christians, God' Children! It cannot be symbolic!
Until the de-Formers rose up in protest against Jesus; symbolic baptism was unheard of!
These baptist reject scriptures, teaching OUTSIDE of the scriptures; "BELIEVE US, Baptism is only symbolic!" You believe them???!!!
Christians believe the scriptures, not TEACHERS that reject scriptures!!
Dog, you continue to post lies.
In Mat 25 nowhere does it say anyone goes to Heaven BECAUSE they give. The sheep helped Christ's brothers during the Tribulation. No one in the Church Age goes to that judgment.
The Goats are never said to have faith.
That is an awful fabrication. Repent of that one.
The word FAITH never occurs in Matthew 25 at all.
But scripture does say,
"ONLY BELIEVE"!
And aside from that, many many times salvation is offered just for believing/having faith/trusting the Savior:
1 Cor 1:21
it was God’s good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save them that believe.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER, NO RCC, NO LIES ABOUT MAT 25 ]
Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus[/B], that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
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Gal 3:
This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh? 4 Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if it be indeed in vain. 5 He therefore that supplieth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or
by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as
Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 7 Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. 9 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.
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For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them. Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith; 12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one who hangs on a tree: that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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Gal 3:22ff
But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.
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Gal 5:5-6
For we through the Spirit by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love.
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Eph 1:10ff
to sum up all things in Christ, the things in the heavens, and the things upon the earth; in him, I say in whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will; 12 to the end that we should be unto the praise of his glory, we who had before hoped in Christ: 13 in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation,— in whom, having also believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 which is an earnest of our inheritance, unto the redemption of God’s own possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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Eph 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one should boast
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