SECOND CHANCE 1000 YR

[nathan3]

"Second Chances and Annihilation

Murray affirmed that the meaning of 1 Peter 3:19 is that Jesus "went to those prisoners and preached to them while He was even in the tomb, after the crucifixion, and preached to them and gave them that opportunity of that salvation."

This is the doctrine of the second chance (something the rich man of Luke 16 never got). If God is no respecter of persons (concerning salvation), then why do some get a second chance while others are denied it?

Who, having been made aware of the realities of God and life after death, would possibly say to a second chance, "Well, I don't know; let me get back to you on that"? Those who had been blessed, as Lazarus was, would not dream of giving it up, and those who were suffering torment would be foolish beyond measure to desire to remain there if given a chance to depart...."

Don't you know, Murray is teaching scripture there when he says , what you, quoted him as saying ? ( minus the second chance bit which you added. ) If you don't agree with him that is fine Zone, he is not even what this thread is about. But, since you mentioned it. Lets see what the Bible says there.

( second chance ? no. Some people don't have one, chance. The question is have you read it ? )


Christ would go some where, because He stated so Himself :

Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.


What has Christ said ? Today. Not tomorrow, not 2,000 years from now. The Lord Jesus Christ, said, Today, He would be in paradise . He did not say the tomb.



Well, did he preach to those in prison or not ? I mean I can take your word for it, or Murray's , or I can just read the scriptures: So lets just see who has the good fruit here :

1 Peter 3:18-22



18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:



19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Hmm. Enough said..

If you don't mind, some actually want to cover the scriptures we have been. Not ignore them.

 

[zone]

If you read, the verse says they are judged by works ( Rev 20: 12 ). Not by faith in Christ, why ? Because they had Christ there a 1,000 years with Christ in person, teaching them. There is no more faith, in some one you can see, in front of you. It all boils down to your actions at that point.

does it now.

well let's have another look:

Revelation 20
Judgment Before the Great White Throne
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

so we have books - works of the unsaved.

and another book - the Book of Life.

let's see Christ's account of the Judgment (same Judgment Day, btw) in Matthew 25:

Matthew 25
The Final Judgment
31“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,f you did it to me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”


"he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left "

they are already separated by WHAT KIND they are: sheep or goats, before any works are ever discussed.

they are judged by works.....Not by faith in Christ

in that case, Christ died for no reason.

except for those in your variation of the Mystery Gap Age.

why ? Because they had Christ there a 1,000 years with Christ in person, teaching them. There is no more faith, in some one you can see, in front of you. It all boils down to your actions at that point.

what TOTAL NONSENSE.
and you can't document ONE iota of it.

 

[zone]

Don't you know, Murray is teaching scripture there when he says , what you, quoted him as saying ? ( minus the second chance bit which you added. ) If you don't agree with him that is fine Zone, he is not even what this thread is about. But, since you mentioned it. Lets see what the Bible says there.

( second chance ? no. Some people don't have one, chance. The question is have you read it ? )


Christ would go some where, because He stated so Himself :

Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.


What has Christ said ? Today. Not tomorrow, not 2,000 years from now. The Lord Jesus Christ, said, Today, He would be in paradise . He did not say the tomb.



Well, did he preach to those in prison or not ? I mean I can take your word for it, or Murray's , or I can just read the scriptures: So lets just see who has the good fruit here :

1 Peter 3:18-22



18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:



19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Hmm. Enough said..

If you don't mind, some actually want to cover the scriptures we have been. Not ignore them.

well......

1 Peter 3
18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

are these the same spirits here?
is this the same place spirits are kept in gloomy darkness?:

Jude
5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,d serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

are those spirits getting a second chance nathan?
what saith the scripture?

 

[nathan3]

what TOTAL NONSENSE.
and you can't document ONE iota of it.

Besides really not taking what I said in context to my entire, post: I'll address the faith part you mentioned :

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

If Faith is in Christ unseen, what do you call, Christ being seen in person, and everyone knowing the Lord? Is that still faith? Or, what do you think they are doing for a 1,000 years ( Rev 20: 2, 4 , 5, 6, 7 )


You do realizes its the """""1,0000""""" years, Christ has already returned, and at the end, they're about to be judged into the lake of fire and then the eternity .

 

[nathan3]

well......

1 Peter 3
18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.

are these the same spirits here?
is this the same place spirits are kept in gloomy darkness?:

Jude
5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,d serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

are those spirits getting a second chance nathan?
what saith the scripture?

If you keep things in context, those angels as it reads there, are sentenced to the lake of fire. There is no preaching to them .


The spirits in prision would be people all the way back up until the time of Genesis and on, who did not have the chance to accept Christ here, on earth. Naturally because they passed on :


20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Where did the rich man go?



1 Peter 3:18-22

King James Version (KJV)

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

That salvation was offered to those people during the time of the old testament . As Peter just stated, Christ when and Preached to the spirits, in Prison. What Prison ? Remember the rich man ? There is a prison you just read it.

 

[nathan3]

For those who have maybe not gotten around to Revelation 20 yet ( Even thought at the start of this thread it was posted ).
I guess it needs repeating : Revelation 20, as well as many other places in God's words, document there is a Millennium reign of Christ.

When you say millennium you are saying, a thousand years . That is what it means. And it is written. John, calls it also by its other name The Lords Day. ( Revelation 1:10 ) Why dose John call the thousand year reign of Christ a Lord's Day ?

Because John is quoting scriptures that have always, taught this.

kjv 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

One day to God is a thousand years to man. Christ will reign for a Thousand years before the eternity begins . Is that written ? Yes.


kjv
Revelation 20 :


1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


(( This is obvious. The deception of Antichrist has taken place, and then, Christ has returned . ))

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,


John calls all this the Lords Day ( Rev 1:10 )


If there is a "first "resurrection, and also the dead, not living, until the end. By default that means there is a second. Where those that fell in the apostasy of Satan, will have a chance ( without Satan ) to hear the full truth.


8- 15. ( Would be a good idea to read the read ).

 

[nathan3]

...........In response to your post Zone #28 ..........


Let's hold off on assumptions. And wait till the person can respond first.

We are talking about when the True Christ, steps foot on this earth at His, coming . That is when it starts.
That is what we are talking about here.

The thousand years applies to those that were caught in the Apostasy, because they received Not, the love of the truth. To heed the warning ( II Thessalonians 2 , etc. ) .


At Christ return, all those still in their flesh corruptible bodies, will be changed. This happens when Christ returns to this earth
( I cor 15:51-54 ) . Paul states in the verse prior , that flesh & blood can Not, inherit the Kingdom of God ( Revelation 11:15 ). Consequently everyone, will be that change into heavenly bodies at Christ return.





Paul said do not be ignorant about those that have died. That you sorrow not. Because God will bring them with Him here. They when a person died they return instantly to God, its written in Ephesians, and Paul makes it clear that every believer in Christ resurrection should know how this works already.( I Thessalonians 4: 13- end )




Revelation 20; states there is a first, that happens to those who had faith in Christ. They resurrected into eternal life, and the second death dose not apply to them, they have immortal souls as written by Paul in the verses I quoted already.

But, Paul also states, some will have mortal souls at that last trump ( Christ return Rev 11: )
If they have mortal ( liable to die souls ) at Christ return what dose it mean they were doing? They were deceived by the false Christ ( Mark 13:22 ).


Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

This is the subject of what will happen to those who will die during that tribulation ( spiritually speaking ) You either have the seal of God in your for head, symbolic of Truth. Or the mark of Satan's deception at that time.
So not those who have passed on prior to Satan's time on earth. It has a two-fold meaning.

The first is in dealing with those of God's elect who did not follow the false teachers; who knew the truth and stood fast for the True Jesus Christ. Secondly, there will be shame that will come to those who sold out to Satan, and bowed to him as their Messiah.

These are the dead, that lived not again till the thousand years were up. They did not live eternity until they over come at the end of the Lord's Day. Where they will have Christ teaching them in person. Satan will be locked up , so no more deception, just truth for a thousand years. Then at the send the last testing, then Judgment.

( I just posted some of the scriptures for this above and in my first posts . )

After that it is up to the individual. I would re read Revelation 20 .

 

[zone]

...........In response to your post Zone #28 ..........


Let's hold off on assumptions. And wait till the person can respond first.

We are talking about when the True Christ, steps foot on this earth at His, coming . That is when it starts.
That is what we are talking about here.

The thousand years applies to those that were caught in the Apostasy, because they received Not, the love of the truth. To heed the warning ( II Thessalonians 2 , etc. ) .


At Christ return, all those still in their flesh corruptible bodies, will be changed. This happens when Christ returns to this earth
( I cor 15:51-54 ) . Paul states in the verse prior , that flesh & blood can Not, inherit the Kingdom of God ( Revelation 11:15 ). Consequently everyone, will be that change into heavenly bodies at Christ return.


Paul said do not be ignorant about those that have died. That you sorrow not. Because God will bring them with Him here. They when a person died they return instantly to God, its written in Ephesians, and Paul makes it clear that every believer in Christ resurrection should know how this works already.( I Thessalonians 4: 13- end )


Revelation 20; states there is a first, that happens to those who had faith in Christ. They resurrected into eternal life, and the second death dose not apply to them, they have immortal souls as written by Paul in the verses I quoted already.

But, Paul also states, some will have mortal souls at that last trump ( Christ return Rev 11: )
If they have mortal ( liable to die souls ) at Christ return what dose it mean they were doing? They were deceived by the false Christ ( Mark 13:22 ).


Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."

This is the subject of what will happen to those who will die during that tribulation ( spiritually speaking ) You either have the seal of God in your for head, symbolic of Truth. Or the mark of Satan's deception at that time.
So not those who have passed on prior to Satan's time on earth. It has a two-fold meaning.

The first is in dealing with those of God's elect who did not follow the false teachers; who knew the truth and stood fast for the True Jesus Christ. Secondly, there will be shame that will come to those who sold out to Satan, and bowed to him as their Messiah.

These are the dead, that lived not again till the thousand years were up. They did not live eternity until they over come at the end of the Lord's Day. Where they will have Christ teaching them in person. Satan will be locked up , so no more deception, just truth for a thousand years. Then at the send the last testing, then Judgment.

( I just posted some of the scriptures for this above and in my first posts . )

After that it is up to the individual. I would re read Revelation 20 .

story time.
i don't want your personal interpretation.
i want scripture to back all this up.


anyway - so, you unlike some other millennialists, have EVERYBODY in immortal bodies during the millennium: including the unsaved (rebels and sinners), right?

just so i don't make any assumptions, please advise.

note: if yes (everybody in immortal? spiritual resurrected bodies):

This is the subject of what will happen to those who will die during that tribulation ( spiritually speaking ) You either have the seal of God in your for head, symbolic of Truth. Or the mark of Satan's deception at that time.

So not those who have passed on prior to Satan's time on earth. It has a two-fold meaning.

?
okay...so all the dead who aren't in the trib and get deceived by satan by taking the mark in their minds DON'T get another chance during the Millennium (in glorified bodies)?

where are they held?

The first is in dealing with those of God's elect who did not follow the false teachers; who knew the truth and stood fast for the True Jesus Christ.

the first resurrection is for the elect who (didn't follow satan in the First Earth Age, and so) were not deceived by him during the trib.

okay....and they rule and reign over those who WERE deceived in the trib, but get a second chance...but the others don't go into the millennium.

ya?

Secondly, there will be shame that will come to those who sold out to Satan, and bowed to him as their Messiah.

where does the bible say ANYTHING about that?
answer: it doesn't. but Arnold Murray does..word for word.

These are the dead, that lived not again till the thousand years were up. They did not live eternity until they over come at the end of the Lord's Day.

wait....so the dead who don't go into the Millennium for their second chance get resurrected at the end of the millennium, at the end of the Lord's Day which is 1,000 years long because Peter said ONE DAY WITH THE LORD IS LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS AND A THOUSAND YEARS IS LIKE ONE DAY.

question:

is the Millennium 24 hours long? how do you know it isn't?

Where they will have Christ teaching them in person. Satan will be locked up , so no more deception, just truth for a thousand years. Then at the send the last testing, then Judgment.

so SURELY anyone in the millennium, in changed bodies; with no sin; nor deception; with Christ teaching them in person..... GETS SAVED....right?

you wanna document any Biblical character who saw the Glorified Christ in His Glory who didn't pass out as dead?

After that it is up to the individual. I would re read Revelation 20 .

why don't you re-read rev 20 - you clearly don't have a clue what its saying.

so:

anyway - so, you unlike some other millennialists, have EVERYBODY in immortal bodies during the millennium: including the unsaved (rebels and sinners), right?

just so i don't make any assumptions, please advise.

 

[iamsoandso]

how can the devil be loosed (after the mill.)and go out to (deceive the nations) if there was still not nations and people still in the earth that could be deceived?(rev. 20;8),,,so cant they still be deceived or not deceived,,so hence "saved or not saved"???

 

[zone]

If you keep things in context, those angels as it reads there, are sentenced to the lake of fire. There is no preaching to them .


The spirits in prision would be people all the way back up until the time of Genesis and on, who did not have the chance to accept Christ here, on earth.

Naturally because they passed on :


20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Where did the rich man go?



1 Peter 3:18-22

King James Version (KJV)

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

That salvation was offered to those people during the time of the old testament . As Peter just stated, Christ when and Preached to the spirits, in Prison. What Prison ? Remember the rich man ? There is a prison you just read it.

Luke 16
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. 20And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, 21who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side.f The rich man also died and was buried, 23and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ 27And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house— 28for I have five brothersg—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ 29But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

where does it say the rich man gets a second chance nathan?
where...is there an additional verse or passage in the original manuscripts that i don't have in my bible?

 

[zone]

does this have a two-fold meaning, nathan?

Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

 

[zone]

how can the devil be loosed (after the mill.)and go out to (deceive the nations) if there was still not nations and people still in the earth that could be deceived?(rev. 20;8),,,so cant they still be deceived or not deceived,,so hence "saved or not saved"???

exactly.
that's why the so-called millennium is NOW.

simple.

 

[RuthHannah]

[h=3]2 Timothy 3:13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

 

[nathan3]

In regards to what you posted to me Zone in your post #48


You did Not read any of the scriptures I posted, should I list them for you Again ??? I can't read for you . If you can't see the scriptures I posted that is something I can't help you with.


Again The thousand years is recorded in Revelation 20.



Flesh and blood can NOT, can not. Enter God's presence. Ergo, the need for the change. As Paul stated in the scripture I posted which you refereed to as a story.

So you don't assume please read. :

2 Corinthians 5:10-11

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

What has this verse just said Zone ? What dose ""must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ " mean?. That Everyone , what dose everyone mean. Did he say, just the pretty people, just the saints, just the good ? What did is written here ? The good only, or also the bad ? We should let it speak for itself .It is clear.

All make that change. (" I Corinthians 15 ").





note: if yes (everybody in immortal? spiritual resurrected bodies):


Mortal dose not have to do with the body. It is a new subject different the bodies in I Cor 15. Corruptible (flesh body) and incorruptible ( angelic body ): When Mortal and Immortal in factored in, It has to do with the state of a persons soul. Immortal naturally means they overcame . mortal, means what it means, Liable to die. Die when ? At the end of the Lord's Day, when the Lake of Fire, comes into existence for the wicked.




Zone - okay...so all the dead who aren't in the trib and get deceived by satan by taking the mark in their minds DON'T get another chance during the Millennium (in glorified bodies) ?

What do you mean by, dead who are not in the tribulation, and get deceived with his mark ?????? How would they be decei if they have passed away and the deception takes place on earth ?

If they have passed away, they return instantly to God as written..... To be absent from the body is present with the Lord. If the silver cord break, the spirit returns to God who gave it. To either side of that gulf as its written.



the first resurrection is for the elect who (didn't follow satan in the First Earth Age, and so) were not deceived by him during the trib.


Well that's one thing that made sense that you said this whole time. The elect first and foremost, will stand against Satan. They have to make that stand if they are here. There is still the unpardonable sin they have to be careful of during that time ; when they are delivered up (Mark 13, Luke 21, Matthew 24 ,Rev 2:9 Rev 3:9. etc. )

If they overcame at the foundation of the world ( first age - Romans 8:29 ; Ephesians 1:4 ; 1 Peter 1:20 etc etc etc ) Like Paul did , therefore he was predestined and chosen by God on the road to Damascus. I don't know how many of the elect are chosen and they are certainly not the only ones that find the truth about Antichrist at the end. Revelation states there were untold numbers, you could not count them, that overcame through Christ.


( Zone - okay....and they rule and reign over those who WERE deceived in the trib, but get a second chance...but the others don't go into the millennium.

No. Honestly that made no sense to me... They reigns as priest with Christ a thousand years ( Revelation 20 :6 ) And they certainly are not ruling, over anyone, It is called the Lords Day for a reason ( Romans 14:11 ;Philippians 2:10 )

They are there to minster to the lost, not rule over them :

Matthew 20:26-27


26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:


It dose say it, I just documented it.

By now if you have questions like is the Millennium 24 hours long, after read Revelation 20. I would pray a lot.

 

[nathan3]

how can the devil be loosed (after the mill.)and go out to (deceive the nations)

if there was still not nations and people still in the earth that could be deceived?

(rev. 20;8),,,so cant they still be deceived or not deceived,,so hence "saved or not saved"???

He can be loosed, and go out to deceive the nations, because its written he will do just that. ( Revelation 20:7-15 ) .. And even in the verse you quoted Revelation 20: verse 8. it says it. It's a final testing for the dead there.. They still have to be tested because prior to Christ return, they had been deceived by Antichrist, they were already deceived...

If they turn to Satan as he is, after being taught by Christ a thousand years, that is the purpose, they go into the lake of fire, or they live, at the end into the eternity .They live pass the great white throne Judgment...

I need to take a break, i will be back later, the scripture I posted within all my post should be enough to keep people busy for a little while.

 

[iamsoandso]

exactly.
that's why the so-called millennium is NOW.

simple.

so you believe the devil is in the bottomless pit now?,,(rev.20;2-3)

 

[nathan3]

so you believe the devil is in the bottomless pit now?,,(rev.20;2-3)

Revelation 12 : 7- 12 documents hes in heaven right now. Accusing people here, day and night there. Be back later, have a good day.

 

[2Thewaters]

To see if you are a sealed one
sealed with the spirit
Just see if you have a desire to study the word of God
The spirit of God loves to study the word of God.
If you dont have this desire just ask for it
He who cometh to me I will in no wise cast out
says Jesus
so if you are coming to hm you hve the right spirit
if you are coming to the word of God to find the truth you have the right spirit and he is working with you.

 

[2Thewaters]

If you hear
ITS TOO LATE! you have the wrong spirit
If you hear
COME YE TO THE WATERS (Bible) COME YE BUY AND EAT
you have the right spirit.

 

[iamsoandso]

Revelation 12 : 7- 12 documents hes in heaven right now. Accusing people here, day and night there. Be back later, have a good day.

i was posting that to zone,as she stated the "mill is now",,so as we know if we are in the midst of the mill. then the devil is "in the pit",,,,,,,,,,,,on the other hand you are stating that at the present he is "in heaven",,,do you believe the mill. is now?