Ah but Jesus Christ was sacrificed (put to death) and He is pictured by the first goat that is sacrificed, the Azazel is led into the wilderness and released alive. It is not sacrificed for sin. It is the picture of the placing of responsibility for sin on the head of it's author, the Devil.
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Ah but Jesus Christ was sacrificed (put to death) and He is pictured by the first goat that is sacrificed, the Azazel is led into the wilderness and released alive. It is not sacrificed for sin. It is the picture of the placing of responsibility for sin on the head of it's author, the Devil.
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Leviticus 16
21"Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins; and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness. 22"The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. 23"Then Aaron shall come into the tent of meeting and take off the linen garments which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there.
are you really suggesting satan was involved here.
like....in the work of atonement and brought without blemish before The Lord and the high priest confessing sins of the people over him...
no....not really.
really
lol,,,,not that he is willfully particapating in the process. i read about the term Azazel from many sources,and then we have the modern interpretations. but Azazel as we have it is highly dependent on which interpretation we have. why i say that is the issue of who this was,was in controversy even before the new testament era (as i understand) the controversy was over the spelling of the word in Hebrew. and weather the sentence structure should read "to the desert with Azazel" or "Azazel to the desert",,not my opinion but those in the past.
why i say there is a connection to the devil and Azazel is that in matt. 12;43 Christ refers to him(?) as an (unclean spirit) and then states he is walking through (dry places) which is where the "scapegoat goes",,,now then does this rule out that Christ might also be as if an analogy the scapegoat?
this is why i ask this,Christ was without sin. he made the comment that "no man taketh my life but i lay it down of my own free will" we know that he was born in the flesh for this purpose. but,,,when he was praying he said (matt.26;39),,"oh my father if it be possible let this cup pass from me:never the less not as i will but as thou will". then again in matt. 26;42),,if this cup may not away from me lest i drink it,thy will be done,,,
so it would make no sense that Christ who knew he was laying his life down for the whole earth to beg the father to,,"let this cup pass from me",,but what was he asking?,,he was a sinless creature who had never sinned,blameless never once out of the presence of the father. and so the cup he was speaking of was the sins of the world and the devil being felt for the first time inside of his very creature.
he said on the cross "my god,my god why hast thou forsaken me,,ect. psalms 22;1",,,that is since the time he was praying the cup pass,till his last breath on the cross all of the sins he had never experienced and the devil was on him. and this is why he said "why hast thou forsaken me",,that is sin cannot stand in the presence of the father. so then he gave the ghost up and took sin and the devil into the bowels of the earth for 3 days and nights and (bound satin),,and then was resurrected the first born of the dead,this is the scapegoat,,,
i know. i've read all that.
but do you really think God would involve satan...even obliquely in redemption?
eventually in the temple, as a sin offering, no less?
Leviticus 16
21"Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins; and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness. 22"The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. 23"Then Aaron shall come into the tent of meeting and take off the linen garments which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there.
nah.
but do you really think God would involve satan...even obliquely in redemption?
eventually in the temple, as a sin offering, no less?
Leviticus 16
21"Then Aaron shall lay both of his hands on the head of the live goat, and confess over it all the iniquities of the sons of Israel and all their transgressions in regard to all their sins; and he shall lay them on the head of the goat and send it away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who stands in readiness. 22"The goat shall bear on itself all their iniquities to a solitary land; and he shall release the goat in the wilderness. 23"Then Aaron shall come into the tent of meeting and take off the linen garments which he put on when he went into the holy place, and shall leave them there.
nah.
my intention was to also include this and forgot,there are probably many others,some may be more in-depth of the same discussion but here are some of the problems faced by the interpreters over the year about lev.16;8 some where about mid way is a good argument about the wording being "intentionally altered" over the years from the original,,,, http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_69.pdf
Leviticus 16
The Day of Atonement
1The LORD spoke to Moses after the death of the two sons of Aaron, when they drew near before the LORD and died, 2and the LORD said to Moses, “Tell Aaron your brother not to come at any time into the Holy Place inside the veil, before the mercy seat that is on the ark, so that he may not die. For I will appear in the cloud over the mercy seat. 3But in this way Aaron shall come into the Holy Place: with a bull from the herd for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. 4He shall put on the holy linen coat and shall have the linen undergarment on his body, and he shall tie the linen sash around his waist, and wear the linen turban; these are the holy garments. He shall bathe his body in water and then put them on. 5And he shall take from the congregation of the people of Israel two male goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering.
6“Aaron shall offer the bull as a sin offering for himself and shall make atonement for himself and for his house. 7Then he shall take the two goats and set them before the LORD at the entrance of the tent of meeting.
8And Aaron shall cast lots over the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Azazel.a
9And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the LORD and use it as a sin offering, 10but the goat on which the lot fell for Azazel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Azazel.
NO.
this is not SATAN.
only where he is bound in the pit,,,lol after that he is cast into the lake of fire rev.20;10,,,,,but i don't think he plays any role other than he is depicted as being bound in lev.16 or matt. 12,,,,
THE ANTI-TYPE OF THE SCAPEGOAT (Leviticus 16) IS JESUS NOT SATAN
THE ANTI-TYPE OF THE SCAPEGOAT Leviticus 16 IS JESUS
okay i see what you mean.
but even his being bound has nothing to do with atonement.
okay....that's all.
(there's no future 1,000 years)
this is just my opinion - i suspect he might have been released for his short space. - i have no way to know, however, aside from all the deception going on, and the perversions of the gospel. nobody seems to know what to believe.
amazing.
love zone.
#2.5 THE HEBREW WORD עֲזָאזֵל (Htr. ʽAZA’ZEL) DOES NOT MEAN SATAN
The Hebrew word עֲזָאזֵל (Htr. ʽāzā’zēl) translated scapegoat (Leviticus 16:8, 10, 26) does not mean Satan.
QUOTE 1. This word has been variously understood and translated. The versions (LXX, Symmachus, Theodotian, and the Vulgate) have understood it to stand for "the goat that departs", considering it to be derived from two Hebrew words: ʽēz meaning “goat” and ʽāzal meaning “turn off”. By associating it with the arab word ʽazāla meaning “banish”, or “remove”, it has been rendered “for entire removal”.
(THEOLOGICAL WORDBOOK OF THE OLD TESTAMENT by Harris, Archer, and Waltke.
Pub. Moody Press P.658 ref.1593).
QUOTE 2. The rendering in Leviticus 16:10, 26 should be "the goat for complete sending away" (not "the goat for the scapegoat") - from the root ʽāzal, to remove completely.
(EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF BIBLE WORDS by W.E.Vine
Pub. Cambridge University Press P.14 O.T. under ATONEMENT).
The word translated 'Satan' (Hb. שָּׂטָן Htr. satan) means "adversary", and the word translated 'Lucifer' (Hb. הֵילֵל Htr. helel) means "bright star". Thus there is no firm evidence either from scripture, or from the Hebrew language that the word ʽāzā’zēl has anything at all to do with the devil.
THE ANTI-TYPE OF THE SCAPEGOAT Leviticus 16 IS JESUS
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lol,the book looks as though he is only providing information as to proving the devil is Azazel but as you go on through it he then give the information he found that supports it being the scapegoat or Christ,,and then he gives sources from m.text ect and shows research from facts they have found where the manuscripts we have were altered.,,,but he approaches it from each direction (he just begins with Azazel is the devil),,,
okay...sorry...i should have read through it. it's just that i already resolved this (for myself).
and it makes my hair stand on end when ppl attribute the work of The Lord to satan.
k...apologies.
how is Ken?
lol.
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okay...sorry...i should have read through it. it's just that i already resolved this (for myself).
and it makes my hair stand on end when ppl attribute the work of The Lord to satan.
k...apologies.
how is Ken?
lol.
When you accuse a work of doctrine inspired of the Holy Spirit to be of the devil you do the very same thing. You should learn to keep your words 'few' (little, small and short) for you are on the earth and the Lord is in heaven (Eccl 5:1.2).
I am curious how you understand this passage of scripture in Jude 1:14-22 and the timeline you subject it to. Is this passage of scripture inspired of the Holy Spirit which was written about 56-70AD (or even later) to Jewish believers in Palestine, and do we have any scriptural and/or historical support for what Jude, James brother, has referred to concerning Enoch's prophecy?
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands (murios) of his saints, murios means an innumerable and unlimited multitude
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him (the Lord).
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
verse 19 Amplified
19 It is these who are [agitators] setting up distinctions and causing divisions—merely sensual [creatures, carnal, worldly-minded people], devoid of the [Holy] Spirit and destitute of any higher spiritual life.
you again?
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
2013 year and counting GAP
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The Antichrist makes a peace treaty with Israel and breaks it.
he chases all the jews around and kills most of them.
but you'll be in the air having a wedding.
And he [THE ANTICHRIST ACCORDING TO YOU - SATAN] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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but your confusion is evident.
and appears to be without remedy.
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
you and i have nothing in common.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
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you again?
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
2013 year and counting GAP
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The Antichrist makes a peace treaty with Israel and breaks it.
he chases all the jews around and kills most of them.
but you'll be in the air having a wedding.
And he [THE ANTICHRIST ACCORDING TO YOU - SATAN] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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but your confusion is evident.
and appears to be without remedy.
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
you and i have nothing in common.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Just like the Ishmael crowd, they never have stopped mocking Israel, just like you do with that same spirit. Got any comments on Jude 1? I am all ears!
like i do?
what do you call this?:
Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC
Jude 1 applies to false teachers.
that would be yourself.
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I know that you might be a little intimidated about Jude 1:14-25, but go ahead and give it a shot. No one is going to attack you and if they do someone will speak up on your behalf. I'm sure of it.
12These are hidden reefse at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; 13wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever.
14It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own sinful desires; they are loud-mouthed boasters, showing favoritism to gain advantage.
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John Hagee Calls for Pre-emptive nuckler strike against Iran!
IN THE NAME OF JEEZUZ
what do you want?
MORE effort on my part to undo this disasterous and destructive false religion you belong to?
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FROM THE DESK OF PASTOR JOHN HAGEE
Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:47
John Hagee Ministries
For the past few days the world has been watching the Middle East implode! The streets of the nation of Egypt have been packed with riots and bloodshed. The Administration of Mubarak is apparently coming to an end. From my sources of information, I believe the Muslim Brotherhood is now in the driver's seat to determine the future of Egypt .
The American media, with the exception of FOX News, is presenting the Muslim Brotherhood as moderate and lovers of democracy. This is utter nonsense. This is the hysterical jabber of our State Department that once again has fumbled the ball in the Middle East .
Making a long story short; if the Egyptian drama works out like the Fall of the Shah in Iran in 1979 (and I think it will) there will be a person approved of the Muslim Brotherhood to become Egypt's new leader. He will appear initially as a moderate and within a few weeks embrace Sharia which is the Islamic law that now governs Iran .
Israel will be surrounded by hostile nations screaming for their blood! America 's economy is determined by the price of oil and Egypt will have the power to block the Suez Canal and Iran will have the power to block the Straight of Hormuz.
Result? America 's economic future will be determined by nations that hate us and call us the Great Satan.
What are you seeing happen in the Middle East prophetically? You are seeing the King of the South come together with lightning speed.
Egypt has an army of one million men armed with 1500 Abram Tanks which are America 's best. We sold them to Egypt along with hundreds of our latest and greatest fighter jets because Egypt was controlled by Mubarak who was America 's friend.
Can you imagine what Israel faces with Iran , Egypt , Syria , Turkey and Russia coming after them? The prophet Ezekiel clearly predicted this battle thousands of years ago and you are watching the players get into position with lightning speed.
Jesus said: "When you see these signs, lift up your head and rejoice. Your redemption draweth nigh." Simply stated: The King is coming! Get ready! Planet earth is about to become the playground for the Anti-Christ and his New World Order.
The church will be raptured before the Anti-Christ appears; and I believe he could be introduced in Europe at any time. Pray up! Pack up! We're going up...and very soon. I'll chat with you next week!
Pastor John Hagee
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THE KING OF THE SOUTH:
Ptolemy I Soter, (born 367/366 bc—died 283/282), Macedonian general of Alexander the Great, who became ruler of Egypt (323–285 bc) and founder of the Ptolemaic dynasty, which reigned longer than any other dynasty established on the soil of the Alexandrian empire and only succumbed to the Romans in 30 bc.
Ptolemy I Soter (Macedonian king of Egypt) -- Encyclopedia Britannica
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Sizer’s previous book Christian Zionism-Road Map to Armageddon? is the companion text to ZION’S CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS? which details how a cultish escapist theology fused with neo-con political ideology which has lead millions of US Christians astray as it tips the world on its side heavy with military artillery.
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Jude
A Call to Persevere
17But you must remember, beloved, the predictions of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ. 18Theyf said to you, “In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions.” 19It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. 20But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life. 22And have mercy on those who doubt; 23save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garmentg stained by the flesh.
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