September 11th, 2001

[Dude653]

Also Elvis Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster are sending me subliminal messages through episodes of SpongeBob SquarePants

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

What the general population is "ignorant" about is the fact that very evil deeds are continuously being done "right in front of their faces" and "right under their noses" without them realizing it -- largely because they simply do not believe it can possibly be true - and, they are unwilling to open their eyes to see it.

Well, that's about enough of this conversation for me. Nice chatting with you.

 

[pckts]

Well, that's about enough of this conversation for me. Nice chatting with you.

The research published for global warming is also controlled and directed by these same forces. If you do not want to believe they exist your beliefs and opinions will be controlled as well.

People who argue against peer-reviewed literature being valid are demonstrating that they have never done research and couldn't tell good research from bad. Not everything is a conspiracy. The elegance of the peer-review process is that bad research never gets traction, and bad researchers are chewed up and crapped out of the process very early on. It is VERY difficult to get research published because of the review process prior to it even being accepted, not to mention the extremely rigorous critique it receives after it is published, especially if a piece of research challenges the status-quo of a particular discipline. "Thanks" to historical incidents like Nuremberg, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, and others, the rigor of validating research prior to publication has been pretty much locked down. Sure, you get somebody every once in a while that creates their results out of thin air or doctors a study, but the truth always comes out eventually. Good research should be replicable, and doctored studies don't pass that particular muster.

I can guarantee with absolute certainty the Illuminati has no say whatsoever in what I research, how I write my results, or if it gets published. Along the same lines, we researchers don't hold secret meetings where we twist our mustaches and think of ways to keep the "dumb sheep" in the dark.

If a piece of research challenges the status-quo of the establishment or "illuminati", they will label this research that threatens them "bad", chew up and crap the researchers out to ensure the research never gets traction, and if it does they can make it VERY difficult to get the research published.

You are aware of the process, but do not think it's possible external factors can determine what is "bad", attack researchers, or control the VERY difficult process of publishing.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

Please don't tell me what I think. That's arrogant far in excess of anything I can possibly display. If you want to know what I think, be brave enough to ask me. Let me make the decision of engaging you in rhetoric or not. Don't speak for me.

...just 'cuz I don't drink your kool-aid doesn't mean I believe the polar opposite of what you do. You and others in this thread would do well to realize that. Not everyone who disagrees with you is on the opposite end of the spectrum of your beliefs.

 

[pckts]

Please don't tell me what I think. That's arrogant far in excess of anything I can possibly display. If you want to know what I think, be brave enough to ask me. Let me make the decision of engaging you in rhetoric or not. Don't speak for me.

...just 'cuz I don't drink your kool-aid doesn't mean I believe the polar opposite of what you do. You and others in this thread would do well to realize that. Not everyone who disagrees with you is on the opposite end of the spectrum of your beliefs.

You told me what you thought

I can guarantee with absolute certainty the Illuminati has no say whatsoever in what I research, how I write my results, or if it gets published. Along the same lines, we researchers don't hold secret meetings where we twist our mustaches and think of ways to keep the "dumb sheep" in the dark.

When you guaranteed with absolute certainty the Illuminati had no say whatsoever in what you researched, how or if you wrote your results, or if it got published, that tells me you do not think external forces (The Illuminati) can affect the research and peer-review publication process.

I'll keep telling you what you think on topics you tell everyone what you think on.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

You told me what you thought



When you guaranteed with absolute certainty the Illuminati had no say whatsoever in what you researched, how or if you wrote your results, or if it got published, that tells me you do not think external forces (The Illuminati) can affect the research and peer-review publication process.

I'll keep telling you what you think on topics you tell everyone what you think on.

I said "I can guarantee with absolute certainty the Illuminati has no say whatsoever in what I research, how I write my results, or if it gets published."

Those were my exact words. Verbatim. Quoted.

How did you make a leap of logic think that talking about what affects me extends to thinking that it doesn't happen to anybody else? Do you know what I research? Do you know if anybody outside the 9 or 10 people in the world who research what I do would be interested? You assume a lot. Scientific research is very broad, and while I don't deny the possibility exists that external forces might want to silence research about certain topics, I have a very tough time imagining my dissertation that challenges 40 years of research paradigm about safety climate research is on the radar of the NWO or the Illuminati. Maybe having a proper perspective is what's needed.

I forgive you though. I can see where you went wrong. There's no need to get your dander up, but I understand the male ego because I am plagued with that affliction as well, so here we are, quoting back and forth, trying to see who pees furthest off the porch. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shame on us.

Because I'm feeling especially generous this evening, I'll clue you into something about me. I say exactly what I mean to say. There is no need to try and read things into what I write. If something is unclear to you, you'd do well to ask me instead of trying to out-think me or out-navigate me verbally. If I can clarify something and choose to, I will.

 

[Zi]

This is too funny!

Also Elvis Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster are sending me subliminal messages through episodes of SpongeBob SquarePants

 

[pckts]

I said "I can guarantee with absolute certainty the Illuminati has no say whatsoever in what I research, how I write my results, or if it gets published."

Those were my exact words. Verbatim. Quoted.

How did you make a leap of logic think that talking about what affects me extends to thinking that it doesn't happen to anybody else? Do you know what I research? Do you know if anybody outside the 9 or 10 people in the world who research what I do would be interested? You assume a lot. Scientific research is very broad, and while I don't deny the possibility exists that external forces might want to silence research about certain topics, I have a very tough time imagining my dissertation that challenges 40 years of research paradigm about safety climate research is on the radar of the NWO or the Illuminati. Maybe having a proper perspective is what's needed.

I forgive you though. I can see where you went wrong. There's no need to get your dander up, but I understand the male ego because I am plagued with that affliction as well, so here we are, quoting back and forth, trying to see who pees furthest off the porch. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shame on us.

Because I'm feeling especially generous this evening, I'll clue you into something about me. I say exactly what I mean to say. There is no need to try and read things into what I write. If something is unclear to you, you'd do well to ask me instead of trying to out-think me or out-navigate me verbally. If I can clarify something and choose to, I will.

I never wanted to know about what you research or how important you think it is. It's irrelevant. You believe it can't be influenced, meaning you seriously misjudge the "Illuminati's" influence on the peer-review process you are championing as "locked down".

This part here, you don't deny the possibility external forces may want to silence certain topics. My first post to you was that this "locked down" system, is not really "locked down", and then showed you using your own descriptions of it there are many opportunities for the "Illuminati" to silence, promote false or weak research, and chew up and spit out compelling research that threatens them, like global warming or vaccine research.


I stand by everything I wrote and you have no reason to be upset about me telling you what you think or leaping logic. And you are arrogant yourself so you should have a thicker skin about it.

I've met women with egos that rival the worst of the men I've known. Don't be a man-hater.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

You obviously have a need to prove something. Fine. I'm not going to debate a twenty-something tonight. If you think you're right, then you are. You win. Have a nice evening.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

This whole exchange is honestly 100% my fault. I ought to know better than to post in certain sections of the forums, and tonight has taught me that lesson once again. I'll do better to keep my thoughts and opinions to myself and keep to those sections of the forum where things are not so likely to get out of control due to emotions.

Thank you all for the lesson. I appreciate it.

 

[pckts]

You obviously have a need to prove something. Fine. I'm not going to debate a twenty-something tonight. If you think you're right, then you are. You win. Have a nice evening.

I just won a debate with a man who researches something important that only 10 people in the world do. He even had to hide behind his age to escape. I'm now self-proven and validated and feel great.

This whole exchange is honestly 100% my fault. I ought to know better than to post in certain sections of the forums, and tonight has taught me that lesson once again. I'll do better to keep my thoughts and opinions to myself and keep to those sections of the forum where things are not so likely to get out of control due to emotions.

Thank you all for the lesson. I appreciate it.

Good stay out of here, I am the gatekeeper of conspiracies. If you are not open-minded you do not belong in this forum.

You and your lot attempt to disprove our evidence without examining or considering it, using information from "official" sources we are entirely aware of and have rejected already. We already know what all of you are going to say and we know it's false, and you people don't listen to what we say because you believe the government and tv presented you the truth. You waste time here and derail meaningful conversation.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You need to go back and re-read everything. Nowhere in anything I said did I say my research was important. I said only 9 or 10 people study it to illustrate it was OBSCURE. Also to mean NOT IMPORTANT. Said to illustrate that I was not the target of whatever conspiracy you believe runs things in academic and scientific research. You don't read what you see but instead look for what's missing and that's where your debate starts. I get it. I used to wade through the conspiratorial world too years ago. It's entertaining, but not based on much fact. It's connecting disparate points of info to create a narrative and it gets people hooked. It's like a soap opera and its easy to get sucked into that world. It's one thing to have an open mind, but if it's so open your brains fall out, then it isn't doing you any good.

Most us older than you can remember being like you are now. Idealistic. At the age where you think anyone older than you is out of touch and anyone younger is too ignorant. Just at that age where you think you've got it all figured out. You don't. You are in for a shock as you age and your views change and you realize you don't have it all figured out. We were too when it happened to us. It's just part of aging.

Enjoy your victory if that's how you want to view it. Revel in "proving me wrong" if it's so important to you. Whatever makes you happy.

 

[pckts]

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. You need to go back and re-read everything. Nowhere in anything I said did I say my research was important. I said only 9 or 10 people study it to illustrate it was OBSCURE. Also to mean NOT IMPORTANT. Said to illustrate that I was not the target of whatever conspiracy you believe runs things in academic and scientific research. You don't read what you see but instead look for what's missing and that's where your debate starts. I get it. I used to wade through the conspiratorial world too years ago. It's entertaining, but not based on much fact. It's connecting disparate points of info to create a narrative and it gets people hooked. It's like a soap opera and its easy to get sucked into that world. It's one thing to have an open mind, but if it's so open your brains fall out, then it isn't doing you any good.

Most us older than you can remember being like you are now. Idealistic. At the age where you think anyone older than you is out of touch and anyone younger is too ignorant. Just at that age where you think you've got it all figured out. You don't. You are in for a shock as you age and your views change and you realize you don't have it all figured out. We were too when it happened to us. It's just part of aging.

Enjoy your victory if that's how you want to view it. Revel in "proving me wrong" if it's so important to you. Whatever makes you happy.

Well I downplayed it during our debate, but now that I've won I want to brag about it too, your dissertation challenges 40 years of safety climate research, sounds pretty important to me.

my dissertation that challenges 40 years of research paradigm about safety climate research

I don't see everything and everyone in "age" like you do or did. Wise people and fools exist in all ages, appearances, characters. I still try to respect my elders and speak to those younger as adults or the way I would like to be spoken to, not pulling age cards. I already had my shocks and my views change when I became a flat earther and shortly after a believer in Christ again. I know how life operates and unfolds, so your patronizing isn't necessary.


I'm not reveling in proving you wrong, I'm reveling in:

out-think me or out-navigate me verbally

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

However you need to rationalize it to yourself. It's your party. Read into it what you want. Make it say what you want. Twist it however you want. Emphasize whatever you want. Anything you feel you need to do is what you should do.

So now that you've convinced yourself you've "won", do you want a party or some cookies, or should the collective membership take turns basking in your intellectual magnificence?

 

[Tommy379]

Mentioning the made up organization called the "illuminati" in your arguement, does nothing to support your position.

 

[blue_ladybug]

It's not made up. Every single actor, musician, celebrity has mentioned it at one time or another.. There would be no need to mention it, if it was made up.

Mentioning the made up organization called the "illuminati" in your arguement, does nothing to support your position.

 

[Zi]

Unless that's the real mind game

It's not made up. Every single actor, musician, celebrity has mentioned it at one time or another.. There would be no need to mention it, if it was made up.

 

[Zi]

If they are in such great a control....... Who has tampered with what you've read? How can you trust yourself and what you say?

Well I downplayed it during our debate, but now that I've won I want to brag about it too, your dissertation challenges 40 years of safety climate research, sounds pretty important to me.


I don't see everything and everyone in "age" like you do or did. Wise people and fools exist in all ages, appearances, characters. I still try to respect my elders and speak to those younger as adults or the way I would like to be spoken to, not pulling age cards. I already had my shocks and my views change when I became a flat earther and shortly after a believer in Christ again. I know how life operates and unfolds, so your patronizing isn't necessary.


I'm not reveling in proving you wrong, I'm reveling in:

 

[PoxEclipse]

Poxes

If it wasn't for vaccines, people would still be dying of small pox in the western world.

[video=youtube;BpC0Tbb3diI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpC0Tbb3diI[/video]


"...but only 5-10% of the world's population was vaccinated for small pox..."


For a corroborating list of various poxes...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox


For those of you wish to analyze independent findings, and who wish to begin comprehensively researching vaccinations and/or poxes, the following website is a good place to start.

THE VACCINATION RACKET


Apologies to the OP for posting off-topic information.


Peace.

 

[Dude653]

It's not made up. Every single actor, musician, celebrity has mentioned it at one time or another.. There would be no need to mention it, if it was made up.

That's another appeal to Authority fallacy
Because a lot of famous people are mentioning something doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
The Illuminati was real but they split up like 600 years ago