Sheep and Goats

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Embankment

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I'm sticking to the context and you could too if you wanted to, sharing in the wonders of the text at hand. The true big picture is therein contained dear brother.
In context Jesus is speaking to the Jews seeking to kill him before his time. They are enemies of God ( goats).Jesus died even for them.
 

preacher4truth

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I am just stating the big picture here.
If you are saying Jesus died only for his followers then that is wrong.
I don't believe in double jeopardy but apparently you do.

But I digress, I am not here to convince you of what Scripture plainly says, just wanted to note the wonderful things Jesus said, his eternal truths according to his Gospel.
 

preacher4truth

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Maybe I should have used a another description like goats being more contentious.
Sheep seem to be more mellow and easy going than are goats.
It seems even the sheep can have goat attributes, lol! :D
 
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But, what do you think about their tails?
I think you can tell the difference between a goat and a sheep by more than their tail.

Sheep to represent the saints of God, and goats to represent the wicked.

And notice how in the occult they use the image of a goat, which the occult has to be the worse belief system of all what people believe, for it is all about self exaltation as high as possible by the power of nature.

And it will be the occult, and evolution, that is the reason the world rebels against God, and they will be the most self exalting people ever in the history of mankind, for they kicked it way up in arrogance, and self exaltation, concerning the occult, like people in general are more arrogant today than in the past, for that is the direction the world is going so they get worse.

The world that is wicked knows about wickedness like it is natural, and the occult uses the image of a goat, like Jesus said the sheep hear His voice and follow Him, the goats hear the voice of the world and follow it.
 

preacher4truth

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Good luck with your teaching.
I'm fairly certain neither you nor I believe in luck dear brother.

But thank you, and God bless you.

I have to go by what is in the text, not what I want it to say, nor adding something in there that is not, hearing his voice, not mine &c.

As soon as you or another can prove in the text your views then I will believe your teachings. It is good to stick to the wonderful truths Jesus expressed, not our own desires or assumptions. This is what listening to his voice entails.

Again, just wanted to share what Jesus said about the sheep here in its context and unfortunately you're taking issue with that.

If need be, you can get your last word in, I digress.
 
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The Bible clearly states that Jesus died for everyone for we all are in need of a savior. Everyone!
No, not in the erroneous way universalism portrays salvation.
It must be claimed.
Jesus paid like Boaz did.
If Ruth had rejected the deal,she would not inherit.
Same with us.
It ain't magic.
It is a TWO PARTY covenant.
Otherwise the non repentant enemies of God are winked at.
 

Embankment

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No, not in the erroneous way universalism portrays salvation.
It must be claimed.
Jesus paid like Boaz did.
If Ruth had rejected the deal,she would not inherit.
Same with us.
It ain't magic.
It is a TWO PARTY covenant.
Otherwise the non repentant enemies of God are winked at.
Yes, we must repent and admit we are in need of a savior. Then follow him. That does not change the fact that Jesus died for the worlds sins.
Not sure what the agenda is with this thread but odd teachings for certain.
 
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Except not one of us actually does his will or can do so. That is where grace enters the picture. We may wish to do the things above but we can’t. Thank God that Jesus took our place!
Salvation is a person. Jesus. He gives a new heart at salvation.
A different heart.
A desire to follow in holiness.
In our walk,we walk continuously away from strongholds of sin. Sin gets exposed and dealt with by and through the Holy Spirit.
Therefore the mature are dealing in very little sin. They appear much more like Jesus simply due to a heart that desires a Holy walk.
The Holy Spirit meets these serious one with power to walk Holy.
And if they sin,it breaks their heart.
But they " find their way home" and completely restored.
The wise learn and act,the foolish seek enable-ers just as is vividly portrayed in mat 25.
 
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Yes, we must repent and admit we are in need of a savior. Then follow him. That does not change the fact that Jesus died for the worlds sins.
Not sure what the agenda is with this thread but odd teachings for certain.
Pretty sure we agree.....at least in part
 
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So, God separates the sheep from the goats....

We get our chromosomes from conception - from our father and mother.

Evidently, sheep and goats have a different chromosome count.

So, is the difference between spiritual sheep and goats the “born again” experience?

Sheep (Ovis aries) have 54 chromosomes, while goats (Capra aegagrus hircus) have 60. While sheep and goats will occasionally mate, fertile sheep-goat hybrids are rare. Hybrids made in the laboratory are called chimeras. The easist way to tell the difference between a sheep and goatis to look at their tails.

So, what’s so different about their tails????? :unsure:
The difference is how God choses to uses the words in various parables to hide or conceal the spiritual understanding from one (goats) and reveal it to another. (sheep)

God uses sheep to represent those led by the Sheppard, the savior of the sheep. While goats refer to those who have no Sheppard for their souls, as wild.

Jesus was led as a scape goat in the wilderness (the wild) where animal run without the aid of a Shepard to protect from the wolves who bring false doctrines.

David who had plenty experience as a lamb himself.... replied...

Psalm 23 King James Version (KJV)
The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
 
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The Bible clearly states that Jesus died for everyone for we all are in need of a savior. Everyone!
He gave his Spirit life to many. God cannot die, he did not give death.

What you offered simply promotes universalism. The key phrase word that opens our understanding is "as many " They alone can come. They alone are being drawn. They alone will not be cast out.

I will offer a few...

Matthew 20:28 Even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

John 1:12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 8:30As he spake these words, many believed on him.

John 17:2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.