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morninglory
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Biblicaltruth, first, Luke 12.48 exempts many who are simply not aware of the facts. Actually most Believers are not aware that all manner of paganry was brought into the faith AFTER the Apostles were all dead, so the scriptures that spoke against the "unequal yoke" are thought to defend them. For those of us who know the truth, and those of us who should know and don't, our God is watching...
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2Thewaters
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morninglory
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Oh contrar, Luke 1.5-8-9 wt 1 Chron.24.5-19, shows us when John the Baptist was concieved, and Luke 1.26-36 show that Elizabeth was in her sixth month when Mary concieved, looking at the Hebrew calendar, that has Jesus born during Tabernacles, and Zech.14.16-19 shows that keeping that feast is VERY important to our ultimate well being.
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2Thewaters
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Christmas is TAMMUZ day (search Google TAMMUZ and CHRISTMAS)
worshipping on christmas is an abomination, but it is not the greatest abomination in the Bible!
no there is a worship day WORSE than Christmas!
Yes, right in your Bible!
Ezek 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. (Search google for Tammuz and christmas pagan holiday)
Ezek 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
SO WHAT IS A DAY MORE ABOMINABLE THAN CHRISTMAS?
Ezek 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Ezek 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
SUN DAY!
worshipping on SUNDAY is more abominable than even worshipping on christmas!
So no, I wont worship tammuz christmas day and I CERTAINLY will NEVER go to church on SUN DAY.
worshipping on christmas is an abomination, but it is not the greatest abomination in the Bible!
no there is a worship day WORSE than Christmas!
Yes, right in your Bible!
Ezek 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. (Search google for Tammuz and christmas pagan holiday)
Ezek 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
SO WHAT IS A DAY MORE ABOMINABLE THAN CHRISTMAS?
Ezek 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Ezek 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.
SUN DAY!
worshipping on SUNDAY is more abominable than even worshipping on christmas!
So no, I wont worship tammuz christmas day and I CERTAINLY will NEVER go to church on SUN DAY.
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morninglory
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Back up there just a minute please, you are misquoting Paul. 1 Cor.10.27 says "if any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be DISPOSED to go, whatsoever is set before you eat, asking no questions for conscience sake", that together with 1 Cor.5.7-11 even as Christ our passover is sacraficed for us --let us therefore keep the feast -- but if any man is called a brother be an idolater --with such an one no not to eat". The emphasis would be on the word "disposed". Keep the "error of Balaam in mind". Also Peter's dream was to inform him that all nations of men were clean, not all manner of meats(Acts 10.11-28). We are not to judge each other in those things(Rom.14.1-4), but we are not to incourage those things either(Rom.14.22).
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morninglory
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I really liked th video and respect ur opinion greatly! Celebrating or not celebrating Christmas doesn't really mattr, all that mattrs is having Christ in our hearts!
I see you are young, there is an old saying "what you don't know won't hurt you", and it may apply in many cases, but it is a good idea to go into your Bible that the Holy Spirit wrote, and see what it is that the Lord hates so much that he named himself Jealous over. Mal.3.6 says, the Lord does not change, so what ever it was, it still is. God's grace to you, and injoy your youth, it's gone in the blink of an eye, ...or so it seems once it IS gone.
Why would it not please God to be worshipped everyday? Because your church says so or because God says so?
This implies that if you worship God on Sunday you are worshipping the sun. If you worship God on Saturday are you worshipping Saturn? I would think if you worship God it is to Him the glory should be given not the day.
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit in truth"
John 4:24
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morninglory
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I don't know what version of the Bible you are reading, but read Ex.23.13 if it is the KJV, then consider James 3.2 and Rev.14.5. Then Ex.31.13-17 with 1 Jn.5.2-3. Most Gentile converts forget some very important things that Jesus said; like Matt.7.14-21-23, "narrow the way and few there be that find it", and "I never knew you", to many who did miracles in his name. Jesus said in John 6.63 "--the words that I speak unto you, they are SPRIT and life, that is the Spirit word that Jas.1.21 says we need to "engraft with meekness" in order to worship "in spirit and in truth"(Jn.17.17) . Jn.15.3 with Eph.5.26, it is "God's Word that cleanses and sanctifies the church bride, but "the winds of doctrine"(Eph.4.14, 6.12), blow really hard to keep that from happening.
Hashem Tzidkeinu
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Tintin
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It's a sad day when the wisest person in the thread is a young teenager. Good on you, Buckets! God bless you, sister.
I remember God saying in HIS word not take the practices of the heathens and offer it to HIM.
Deut 12: 3 And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.4You shall not worship the Lordyour God with such things.
29 “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying,‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
Basically that's what we do with Christmas. We like the way the pagans celebrate so we copy.
But we have to love GOD more than the traditions of men.
Deut 12: 3 And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.4You shall not worship the Lordyour God with such things.
29 “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying,‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods.
32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.
Basically that's what we do with Christmas. We like the way the pagans celebrate so we copy.
But we have to love GOD more than the traditions of men.
I would imagine those who are Yahweh DONT do rituals of other gods, thats just my limited understanding tho, so who knows....
I am exceedingly joy and refreshed when Messiah is preached IN TRUTH, I am greatly grieved when He is preached in falsehood, which is really not preaching Him at all.
Sine when if free in Yahshua mean I am ok do celebrete pagan rituals? And this whole conscious thing? since when did "strong in the faith" mean I am strong when I do abominations and dont feel bad for them. The mystery of iniquity is at work.
Yeremyah 7:9-11, "Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, vow falsely, burn incense to Baal, follow hinder gods you know nothing of, And then come and stand before Me in this House upon which My Name is called, and say; We are saved! Saved to do all these abominations? Has this House, which is called with My Name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen this! says Yahweh."
1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."
So I am the bad guy because I wont settle on a pagan tradition, sign of the times...
Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
The Spirit of Yahweh commands directly against these worship falsehoods,
If for you it is a sin, then it is a sin...............DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
If for you it is a pagan ritual, it is a pagan ritual...........DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
It is also true that God knows the hearts of men. There is nothing hidden from Him. And because of that He knows "in what spirit" man worships or celebrates Him.............and if it is in the spirit of love and honor and joy and thanksgiving, that will be counted as acceptable to Him will it not?
See, in my opinion, it is ONLY a pagan ritual if that is the spirit one celebrates Christmas in.
Like I tell everyone...............do as you believe you are led to do...........do what you believe the Spirit leads you to do. Stay true to your beliefs............but allow others the same choice.
God bless my brother in Christ.
If for you it is a pagan ritual, it is a pagan ritual...........DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
It is also true that God knows the hearts of men. There is nothing hidden from Him. And because of that He knows "in what spirit" man worships or celebrates Him.............and if it is in the spirit of love and honor and joy and thanksgiving, that will be counted as acceptable to Him will it not?
See, in my opinion, it is ONLY a pagan ritual if that is the spirit one celebrates Christmas in.
Like I tell everyone...............do as you believe you are led to do...........do what you believe the Spirit leads you to do. Stay true to your beliefs............but allow others the same choice.
God bless my brother in Christ.
originally posted by: p_rehbein
If for you it is a sin, then it is a sin...............DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
If for you it is a pagan ritual, it is a pagan ritual...........DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
It is also true that God knows the hearts of men. There is nothing hidden from Him. And because of that He knows "in what spirit" man worships or celebrates Him.............and if it is in the spirit of love and honor and joy and thanksgiving, that will be counted as acceptable to Him will it not?
See, in my opinion, it is ONLY a pagan ritual if that is the spirit one celebrates Christmas in.
Like I tell everyone...............do as you believe you are led to do...........do what you believe the Spirit leads you to do. Stay true to your beliefs............but allow others the same choice.
God bless my brother in Christ.
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I can not begin to say what Yahweh accepts besides what He tells us He does and does not accept in His word.
With that said "Christmas" is clearly forbidden:
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
If for you it is a sin, then it is a sin...............DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
If for you it is a pagan ritual, it is a pagan ritual...........DON'T DO IT BROTHER!
It is also true that God knows the hearts of men. There is nothing hidden from Him. And because of that He knows "in what spirit" man worships or celebrates Him.............and if it is in the spirit of love and honor and joy and thanksgiving, that will be counted as acceptable to Him will it not?
See, in my opinion, it is ONLY a pagan ritual if that is the spirit one celebrates Christmas in.
Like I tell everyone...............do as you believe you are led to do...........do what you believe the Spirit leads you to do. Stay true to your beliefs............but allow others the same choice.
God bless my brother in Christ.
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I can not begin to say what Yahweh accepts besides what He tells us He does and does not accept in His word.
With that said "Christmas" is clearly forbidden:
Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
1 Kings 14:23, "Because they also built for themselves high places, sacred pillars and sacred poles on every elevated hill and under every green tree."
are you 2500 years old?
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.