Should makeup be banned?

[Sharp]

Old people should be banned from driving

YES that is CORRECT

 

[Ancilla]

Thankyou for your 3 responses to my thread spanning across 11 hours - this must have been on your mind alot.

I'm curious, why did you write that line?

Yes makeup makes me sick, and that's my own issue,

So, how is this an issue that belongs on a forum for Christian singles? I mean, if you're asking how much a Christian single should concern themselves with their appearance, then yes, that's a real issue. Why start a thread telling us that you don't like make up?

Exactly! Who says that makeup = professional? NOBODY! Well, nobody except for Loreal and Cosmopolitan magazine, and the slaves who have been indoctrinated by them, so basically everyone, except for me.

I see, well, if you talk to sociologists, anthropologists and people who study business relations, they'll tell you something different. Furthermore, make up predates these magazines you read. In fact, it goes back thousands of years.

The world is vain. I don't need to look at a pretty journalist, no-one does. Journalists are there to read the news, not look pretty. People are uncomfortable looking at a guy with a skin condition? Boo hoo, get over it people. Not everyone can look as good as Greta Van Susteren.

Make up for those behind a camera or on stage is not meant to make people look better, but rather to have the features show up under the lights. And make up is sometimes put on actors to make them look worse, not better, if that's what's needed for the role.

I'm actually kind of uncomfortable that you're uncomfortable with me starting a thread about an issue I am passionate about. You've mentioned above that makeup is worn by men too - it isn't the exclusive domain of women. You don't own it. Its like saying that Christianity should only be discussed by Christians.

I admire your passion and zeal for liberty and freedom. I don't share it. Sometimes its good to ban things in the interests of the common good. I'm glad that murder and theft are illegal, because they have more bad consequences than good. Makeup is the same. I still do not see a valid reason for its commercial availability. It makes people focus on their appearance. It makes people vain. It is a means by which people try to make themselves look different from the way that they really are. Its existence gives people a method by which they can conceal aspects of their face which they do not like - and that's crazy. But most of all, it makes me retch. And THAT is why makeup should be banned.

I'm glad that you're uncomfortable with that. Because I really think you need to examine your heart about this. See, yes, make up is worn by men too, but these are men who are either in front of an audience or they're drag queens. See, I wouldn't have a problem with you starting a thread saying that you don't date girls who wear make up or whatever, but unless a girl is your close friend or family member, I don't think it's any of your business whether she wears make up or not, no matter how much you hate it. I wouldn't call myself passionate about liberty, but I am educated and I've learned what happens when societies ban things. Do you remember prohibition? Society had a very good reason to ban alcohol, but it caused it's production to go underground which fueled organized crime, which was detrimental to society. Do I think only Christianity should talk about Christianity? No, but I think if one is talking about Christianity they should either make it clear that they are not a Christian or present themselves as Christ-like. You are coming across as unkind and self centered in this thead and it bothers me that people who are hungry for Jesus could come on this site and see someone who wants to ban something just because he doesn't like it.

 

[lil-rush]

and I know people who don't like the way they look who never wear make up.

That's kinda me. I rarely wear make-up even though I know it would help make me look better.

My thought is, I would hate to be wearing make-up and have a guy think I'm really good looking, and then he'd see me again without make-up and be disappointed. So, in order to avoid that happening I just don't wear make-up, so if someone thinks I look good it is the real me, and not the made-up me, they find attractive... because I think about weird stuff like that.

In any case, if make-up was banned for some reason, I would survive. I like to play in make-up, but I don't need it.

 

[Ancilla]

That's kinda me. I rarely wear make-up even though I know it would help make me look better.

My thought is, I would hate to be wearing make-up and have a guy think I'm really good looking, and then he'd see me again without make-up and be disappointed. So, in order to avoid that happening I just don't wear make-up, so if someone thinks I look good it is the real me, and not the made-up me, they find attractive... because I think about weird stuff like that.

In any case, if make-up was banned for some reason, I would survive. I like to play in make-up, but I don't need it.

I think there are women out there who are so dissatisfied with their appearence that they don't wear because they don't like to look at themselves in the mirror and they don't want to draw attention to their appearence and they don't think make up would help. That may sound like a hyperbole (and I hope I'm wrong, it's terrible to think that people could think of themselves that way) but I do know that there are people out there who've suffered abuse and have no self esteem at all. It's pretty sad.

 

[Cobblepot]

Are we talking about beautifying makeup, or ALL makeup? Some vocations utterly depend on it, if they're to be taken seriously. There's a very thin line between a quality mime and a really bad interpretive dance act, and that line is makeup.

 

[Sharp]

So, how is this an issue that belongs on a forum for Christian singles? I mean, if you're asking how much a Christian single should concern themselves with their appearance, then yes, that's a real issue. Why start a thread telling us that you don't like make up?

So, you don't like threads that in your opionion are irrelevant? Well, I don't like makeup which in my opinion is disgusting. We are all entitled to express our opinions. This is an internet forum, not the united nations general assembly. Not every thread needs to be an attempt to resolve the world's most pressing issues. Fortunately, this thread IS doing exactly that.

I see, well, if you talk to sociologists, anthropologists and people who study business relations, they'll tell you something different. Furthermore, make up predates these magazines you read. In fact, it goes back thousands of years.

Luckily for me I don't spend much time with sociologists, and I doubt that any sociologist could convince me that makeup looks professional. Yes, it definitely makes people look like they're trying to meet the world's flawed image of 'professionalism', but really they just look slimy.

Make up for those behind a camera or on stage is not meant to make people look better, but rather to have the features show up under the lights. And make up is sometimes put on actors to make them look worse, not better, if that's what's needed for the role.

I will concede that cinematics is a valid application for makeup. I maintain that use by the general public is not.

I'm glad that you're uncomfortable with that. Because I really think you need to examine your heart about this.

Examine my heart? I'm not convinced that my stance on this issue is as consequential as you seem to suggest. I've examined it, and I don't disagree with myself. I will however let everyone know if I have a road-to-damascus-style conversion. However, at this stage I still firmly believe that the world would be a better place without makeup.

See, yes, make up is worn by men too, but these are men who are either in front of an audience or they're drag queens. See, I wouldn't have a problem with you starting a thread saying that you don't date girls who wear make up or whatever, but unless a girl is your close friend or family member, I don't think it's any of your business whether she wears make up or not, no matter how much you hate it. I wouldn't call myself passionate about liberty, but I am educated and I've learned what happens when societies ban things. Do you remember prohibition? Society had a very good reason to ban alcohol, but it caused it's production to go underground which fueled organized crime, which was detrimental to society.

Sorry but I strongly doubt that the urge to wear makeup under prohibition conditions would be so strong as to stimulate a plague of organised crime, particularly when the whole purpose of wearing makeup is realised when the wearer is seen by others, which would make wearing makeup risky under prohibition. The risk wouldn't be worth it. I can understand why banning alcohol would lead to organised crime; it's addictive, but do you really think that people would miss makeup so much that they would ship it in from the black market and have secret underground makeup parties, risking arrest and prosecution? I don't. I think we would look back on ourselves and wonder why we were so vain.

Do I think only Christianity should talk about Christianity? No, but I think if one is talking about Christianity they should either make it clear that they are not a Christian or present themselves as Christ-like. You are coming across as unkind and self centered in this thead and it bothers me that people who are hungry for Jesus could come on this site and see someone who wants to ban something just because he doesn't like it.

Really? You played that card? Well, I may be talking crazy here, but, I would really hope that someone who recognises a burning need for Jesus in their life would not be swayed against giving their life to Jesus by what someone on a website thinks about makeup. Maybe "why does God let bad things happen" or "how can we know the bible is true"...."How can Jesus still love me if some guy on a website hates makeup" is not one I've heard before...In any event, God will have mercy on whom He has mercy.

 

[Leilaii425]

I got a 3rd degree burn when i was younger and the scar tissue covers a good part of the top of my hand. I wear this make up stuff to cover it up cause i got tired of people asking me what happend. Plus i hate the way it looks, aaaand cause even after 15 years it still hurts so the stuff makes it not so sensitive, im so glad they invented makeup for stuff like that!!! And im sure anyone else with scars would agree as well

 

[Jennifleur]

In the end, the arguments are pointless. I think it comes down to what makes each individual person comfortable. And for many women, they wear makeup not because they're trying to mask what they really look like, but rather because they feel it improves upon what they already have and it gives them a boost of confidence, which can be helpful both at work and on a date. Other women are comfortable just the way they are, without makeup. And some, for other reasons, wouldn't dare leave the house without it - not because they're trying to deceive people and put up a false front, but in the case of extreme facial discoloration or scarring people are rude and tend to stare and point, sometimes without realising it.

So, each person has to decide for themselves. It is nice to hear that a guy doesn't much care for makeup, because from the youngest age that most of us ladies can remember, we were taught that makeup makes you more "beautiful", and guys want girls who are beautiful. In media, advertising, and television/movies, the girl never attracts the attention of guys until AFTER a makeover. It's conditioning. And the need to feel beautiful and for others to find you beautiful is deeply ingrained, even without the media's influence. The media merely dictates what is considered beauty (including emaciated celebrities). It can be difficult to overcome that kind of conditioning.

If the makeup issue bothers the guys that much, then there are definitely girls out there who do not wear makeup, whom are available. But also, if you are already dating someone, or you have a girl in mind whom you would like to date, but the makeup thing gets to you, tell them that they are beautiful whether they wear makeup or not. I have no doubt that they would appreciate hearing it, even if it is not a guarantee that they'll stop. The reasons for wearing makeup are numerous and different, and each woman wears makeup for different reasons.

As for makeup smelling terrible, a) that smell really depends on the type of makeup - not all makeup smells, and b) if it really, really reeks, it's a sign that the makeup is old and has gone bad and needs to be thrown out. I don't like smelly makeup either.

Everyone has different views, and it is perfectly fine to express those views. You know, though...I've been thinking about all of this social conditioning... whoever told women they had to start shaving their legs and underarms to be "feminine" and beautiful? It really is a pain. Hmm. Maybe I'll just stop shaving....

....

Okay, kidding!

 

[Kathleen]

The correct answer is YES.

Why?

Becuase it makes me want to vomit, that's why!

Whoever you are, woman or man, YOU DON'T NEED IT!

If you don't like the way you look, the worst thing you can do to yourself is put paint all over your face.

It's just so gross!!!!!!!

I hate the way lip gloss shines when the light hits it. I hate the way eye shadow leaks when it gets wet. I hate the way foundation comes off and you can see two different face colours. And I HATE fake nails! And I HATE the way all of this stuff smells! Its nauseating!!! HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE!

If you wear makeup, please tell me why you think you need it, and I'll tell you why you don't.


Sharp.

Your the first person outside my imediate family that I have ever heard call makeup paint. I do not wear makeup and agree with you and Topher. My dad always said to me when I was younger that if God wanted me to have paint on my face, he would have made me born with it on me. He also said that you just look pure fake and by putting 'paint' on your face, you are changeing the creation that God has entrusted you with. By doing so you are expressing that you dont like the way God made you and you are trying to do a better job that the Lord.

I have never worn makeup and dont intent to. I dont dye my hair or peirce my ears either. Because for one it says in the bible dont do them, and two God gave me a hair colour, that he had choosen for me, and if God wanted holes and metal on and in my ears, he would have ade me bron with them. I was taught the same about tattoos' also.

I think makeup is silly too. Having a girl hug you, and leave half her face on your shirt is kind of gross. Or when she gets wet, and looks like she's melting. Gah.

^^that made me laugh lol! - thats' what my dad taught me growing up

 

[Josh281981]

If they ban makeup what will the test animals wear? Im sure they like looking pretty!

 

[Leilaii425]

I think makeup is silly too. Having a girl hug you, and leave half her face on your shirt is kind of gross. Or when she gets wet, and looks like she's melting. Gah.

I prefer to hug someone and leave my whole face.

 

[Let_It_Be]

In any case, if make-up was banned for some reason, I would survive. I like to play in make-up, but I don't need it.

I agree. I wear make-up every day, but it's mainly foundation and mascara. I cannot stand lip gloss. I think I look better with make-up, but there are times when I just go without it. It's not a life or death situation. I could definitely survive without it.

...and I don't leave my whole face when I hug anyone and I don't melt very often.

 

[Matthew]

He also said that you just look pure fake and by putting 'paint' on your face, you are changeing the creation that God has entrusted you with. By doing so you are expressing that you dont like the way God made you and you are trying to do a better job that the Lord.

Not everyone who wears make-up looks fake, that's a silly thing to say because it fully depends how much is being worn and if it's only a small amount you might not even notice, to refer to it as 'paint' is silly also, that makes it sound like people are covering their entire face and leaving nothing of their natural features showing through, which is only the case with people who are extremely vain and use too much, not everyday well adjusted people who apply just a little.

You can't know someone's intentions, you can't know what they are trying to express when they apply make-up, it could be simple confidence by covering a blemish, and if confidence helps them achieve good things then their use of make-up has played a part in helping them do good works, a very good use of the products.

It does not necessarily mean that they are unhappy with the body God gave them and it certainly doesn't mean they are trying to do a better job, nothing we 'add' to oursleves can be taken as a statement of unhappiness with how we are, you open that can of worms and we can start to ask why we all wear clothes, surely if we are meant to be wearing clothes the Lord would have made us already wearing them, does it mean we are ashamed of God's creation if we wear them?

 

[Kathleen]

Not everyone who wears make-up looks fake, that's a silly thing to say because it fully depends how much is being worn and if it's only a small amount you might not even notice, to refer to it as 'paint' is silly also, that makes it sound like people are covering their entire face and leaving nothing of their natural features showing through, which is only the case with people who are extremely vain and use too much, not everyday well adjusted people who apply just a little.

You can't know someone's intentions, you can't know what they are trying to express when they apply make-up, it could be simple confidence by covering a blemish, and if confidence helps them achieve good things then their use of make-up has played a part in helping them do good works, a very good use of the products.

It does not necessarily mean that they are unhappy with the body God gave them and it certainly doesn't mean they are trying to do a better job, nothing we 'add' to oursleves can be taken as a statement of unhappiness with how we are, you open that can of worms and we can start to ask why we all wear clothes, surely if we are meant to be wearing clothes the Lord would have made us already wearing them, does it mean we are ashamed of God's creation if we wear them?

I accept what you say and do respect what you think. I was just giving my opinion and expressed exactly what I was taught about the subject from my dad.

Also to ask about wearing clothes is just absouloutly stupid. Even unbelivers know its right to wear clothes. God gave Adam and Eve clothes of animal skins to cover there nakedness. Jesus and Noah both wores robes.

That was just a stupid remark. It is biblical to wear clothes.

 

[Ancilla]

I got a 3rd degree burn when i was younger and the scar tissue covers a good part of the top of my hand. I wear this make up stuff to cover it up cause i got tired of people asking me what happend. Plus i hate the way it looks, aaaand cause even after 15 years it still hurts so the stuff makes it not so sensitive, im so glad they invented makeup for stuff like that!!! And im sure anyone else with scars would agree as well

On Dr. Oz they had a woman about my age who had a birthmark on her face known as a "port wine stain." He introduced her to someone who uses medical make up to cover it up, and after she put it on it looked totally invisible. I'd be in no position to judge someone like her or you for using make up all the time because I look perfectly normal (or even beautiful, so I've been told) without make up. I don't know what it's like to constantly be asked what happend, that must be so annoying. Like, if you and I became friends and you didn't wear your make up I think (obviously I don't know this for sure since I don't have a picture of you) I might find it a bit distracting for awhile before I just got used to it as part of your appearence. But what if I was your client, or I was giving you a job interview. That would get tricky. Or to put it another way, I had a prof once who had... some kind of injury and one of his eye was VERY bloodshot. We were sitting around a big table and he us what happened, but I didn't see it because I was sitting next to him and taking notes. And at one point in the class he looked at me while I was talking (and therefore the rest of the class had their eyes on me) and when I saw his eye I visibly looked disgusted even though I was expecting it and I was (obviously) really, really trying hard to look professional and mature. I just couldn't help my reaction. What if his eye had been like that all the time and he had to live his entire life with people's uncontrollable looks of shock. One can preach all they want about appearences not mattering, but if they're honest with themselves, they'd have to admit that living like that would really suck.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

I wish people would stop calling others vain for wearing make-up. To me that kind of judgment is sinful.

 

[Ancilla]

So, you don't like threads that in your opinion are irrelevant? Well, I don't like makeup which in my opinion is disgusting. We are all entitled to express our opinions. This is an internet forum, not the united nations general assembly. Not every thread needs to be an attempt to resolve the world's most pressing issues. Fortunately, this thread IS doing exactly that.

Yes, I don't like threads that I think are irrelevant, but I don't say anything about it unless I think they are harmful in some way, because I don't want non-Christians and weak or new Christians to think that Christians can be disrespectful without anyone saying anything.

Luckily for me I don't spend much time with sociologists, and I doubt that any sociologist could convince me that makeup looks professional.

Of course.

I will concede that cinematics is a valid application for makeup. I maintain that use by the general public is not.

Well, there are important applications for make up that concern the public. I have to wear make up when I go to the portrait studio. I always think I'm wearing enough eye make up but when I get the photos they I end up asking myself if I remembered to put on mascara that day. Granted, I'm really, really fair. If I wear black or Latina, it might not be as much of an issue.

But I think it's important for women undergoing cancer treatment to have access to make up. If they want to they should be able to draw in eyebrows because they'd lost their eyebrows to chemo, because they think it will make them look more normal. When you say that they shouldn't have something that they think will make them feel better in such a difficult time just because you don't like the way it smells, makes you sound very selfish. The next time I see a friend of mine I will wear bright red lipstick and heavy liquid black eyeliner. You don't have to know what I look like (well, I already said I was fair) to know that will look awful on me. But I'm not doing it to look good. I'd be doing it because my friend's vision is 20/800 with best correction, roughly 4 times worse than legally blind. My face would just be a big blur for him, but if I wear enough make up I might look more like a face to him. So for me that would be sacrificing my vanity by wearing make up, not catering to it.

Examine my heart? I'm not convinced that my stance on this issue is as consequential as you seem to suggest. I've examined it, and I don't disagree with myself. I will however let everyone know if I have a road-to-damascus-style conversion. However, at this stage I still firmly believe that the world would be a better place without makeup.

The issue is not that you don't like makeup; the issue is that you come across as selfish. If this thread had the tone that Christian women need to think about why they use of make up and if this was something they thought God would want them to do, then I'd have no objection. However, because you made it clear that among your main objections was that you didn't like the way it looked and smelled, and that you don't want people to stop using it on their own volition, but rather they should be forced to not wear it.

Sorry but I strongly doubt that the urge to wear makeup under prohibition conditions would be so strong as to stimulate a plague of organised crime, particularly when the whole purpose of wearing makeup is realised when the wearer is seen by others, which would make wearing makeup risky under prohibition. The risk wouldn't be worth it. I can understand why banning alcohol would lead to organised crime; it's addictive, but do you really think that people would miss makeup so much that they would ship it in from the black market and have secret underground makeup parties, risking arrest and prosecution? I don't. I think we would look back on ourselves and wonder why we were so vain.

You're right, because people would wear make up, get arrested, eventually appear in front of a jury who would vote not guilty because where the heck would you find 12 people who think a ban on make up is a just law??? Then the police would stop enforcing it because everyone they arrested would be acquitted. Or in your perfect world would you not have trial by jury either? Because trust me, you'd have to get rid of it in order to enforce such a ridiculous law. Oh, and yes, I do think that people would miss it enough to go to some pretty ridiculous extremes. It's like during the Islamic revolution in Iran, people would do what they could to abtian some of the many banned items just so they could feel free. Besides, there are people who make their living selling or using make up. Yes, I do think they would miss it just as much as you'd miss your livelihood.

 

[Ancilla]

I wish people would stop calling others vain for wearing make-up. To me that kind of judgment is sinful.

You're totally right. We're told to focus on fixing our own sin, not the sins of others.

 

[Ancilla]

Really? You played that card? Well, I may be talking crazy here, but, I would really hope that someone who recognises a burning need for Jesus in their life would not be swayed against giving their life to Jesus by what someone on a website thinks about makeup. Maybe "why does God let bad things happen" or "how can we know the bible is true"...."How can Jesus still love me if some guy on a website hates makeup" is not one I've heard before...In any event, God will have mercy on whom He has mercy.

Jesus is not a card that you play. Because this site is supposed to be a Christian forum and therefore we should always try to write things that are pleasing to Jesus. I wish you were right about the above. Here's how I see it: I was on a website of a conservative American Christian organization and they were explaining their political platform. They wanted to limit the role of government and maximize freedom (such a low taxes, freedom of religion and unbridled capitalism) but at the same time they wanted the government to pass laws that would limit personal freedoms, such as legalized abortions, rights of homosexuals, teaching creationism in school, abstinence only sex ed, corporal punishment in public schools, etc. And it's very confusing, because they seem to want to be simultaneously wanting to limit while increase the role of government in citizen's lives. Then, upon closer examination, it becomes evident that they want to limit the restrictions of government in their own lives while increasing the government limits of behaviour on others, such as homosexuals. See, the role of government is not to spread morality but to facilitate peace and justice in society. So, murder is wrong not because it's immoral but because it goes against peace and justice. See, if I were a non-Christian going to the site I mentioned, I'd come away with a very negative view of Christianity. So, I know from secular research that abortion doesn't cause long term emotional trauma, that abstinence only sex ed is a big part of the reason why the USA has such a high teen pregnancy and teen STD rate and that corporal punishment makes kids more aggressive in the long run. Basically, I would have thought (if I had been a non-Christian) that if all Christians were like those who supported that website that society would be better off without them. So, I worry that non-Christians who read what you wrote might think that this is just another Christian who wants to use the Christian voting block to impose their values on others.

See, government should never legislate morality, unless the immoral act interferes with peace and justice in society such as murder. If we, by law, had to be perfect Christians than we would loose our freedom to be Christians. I mean, back in the day when 98% of the population went to church every Sunday, there were still many many people who didn't have Jesus as their saviour. Jesus said the gate is narrow and that doesn't change no matter how many laws they pass. One of the truly terrible things about living in a society were make up is banned is that I would loose my identify as a woman who chooses not to wear make up on most days. People wouldn't be able to tell me apart from very vain women who'd love to spend an hour putting their make up on everyday but are not able to. It's like in Iran, you can't tell the devote Muslim women apart from those who only wear the veil because it's illegal not to. It's just like if it was the law that all people had to wear a cross here. Furthermore, most people (I get that you are not one of them, so don't try to tell me that again) know that vanity exists in human nature even without make up. Again, take Iran were make up (last I checked, at least it was during the revolution) is illegal. They have become the nose job capital of the world. There are women who's nose jobs have healed or who haven't even have had them, wear surgical tape on their noses so people will think they're recovering from cosmetic surgery. If you take away one form of vanity another one will take over. You can't get rid of vanity by banning make up, only the Holy Spirit can change that part of our human nature.

 

[Leilaii425]

I went to Mc Donalds today and it smelled like b. o.