Should we eat unclean meat of the old testament?

[BarlyGurl]

No, i'm not a bush....
A typical way to engage in conversation you afforded not the person who started this thread.
OHHHH, so you are being offended for someone who has made no indication they "feel" offened? I have been following the thread... The OP had his issue resolved a while back so what exactly is your problem with my posts?
Your input went unchallenged, yet you sought to question the Bible verse that would go against the idea that we can eat whatever with no offence.

OHHHHH... So you presume to KNOW the motive and intention of my first post in this thread AND for asking you to clarify what you believed to be the relevance of highlighting REV.2:20 in your post? I think I have clearly EXPOUNDED on why I requested you to explain more fully your purpose for posting that verse. NOW I see from your last post... you feel that REV. 2:20 goes against the idea that we can eat whatever with no offense. OKay... let me help you... AT NO TIME have I indicated we could eat whatever without offense. This thread is about "should we eat unclean meat of the old testament". I asked you to explain how you believed the text of REV. 2:20 was relevant... can you please answer the question.???

 

[loveme1]

this is a forum....you misjudged....please stop with this
we all know your position...your taking the pork funny
and letting it knock the chip off your shoulder.

If we had been sitting to lunch i could see your point for then you will eat what you feel to eat.

In this thread i'm quite sure i have offered Scripture to the original person of this thread and see not why i would have a chip on my shoulder for responding.

Please afford me the same courtesy as someone who eats pork like yourself.

 

[loveme1]

By the way Loveme since you didnt feel like answering let me guess
the point you tried to make.

That you saw the word animals that u considered unclean.

well that isnt the point at all in that context the point is the idols
you of all people should know that.

Take the idols out of the context and the animals are clean.

Would you consider halal meat a meat to idols?

 

[Abiding]

If we had been sitting to lunch i could see your point for then you will eat what you feel to eat.

In this thread i'm quite sure i have offered Scripture to the original person of this thread and see not why i would have a chip on my shoulder for responding.

Please afford me the same courtesy as someone who eats pork like yourself.

Im sorry, you have a chip and have for a long time. Barley was responding to my
post and your post was not even related....and you were not even in the thread yet.
Its only natural for someone to ask you what your point was....thats the intention
of the forum.

Surely if i ate lunch with you id eat kosher. This isnt a cafeteria so im not going to
give you that respect.

I also wondered what your point was. I figured you just didnt understand the
verse you put up....which i still dont believe you do....maybe you should go
and see what your eyes and ears can do for you.

 

[loveme1]

Where in your verse do you get the conclusion that bacon-eaters are going to fill up hell? I honestly don't see where one could even argue it from the verse.

I have not said such thing.

 

[loveme1]

Okay, i understand your position by the word kosher.

Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

sorry quote missing to Abiding.

 

[loveme1]

OHHHHH... So you presume to KNOW the motive and intention of my first post in this thread AND for asking you to clarify what you believed to be the relevance of highlighting REV.2:20 in your post? I think I have clearly EXPOUNDED on why I requested you to explain more fully your purpose for posting that verse. NOW I see from your last post... you feel that REV. 2:20 goes against the idea that we can eat whatever with no offense. OKay... let me help you... AT NO TIME have I indicated we could eat whatever without offense. This thread is about "should we eat unclean meat of the old testament". I asked you to explain how you believed the text of REV. 2:20 was relevant... can you please answer the question.???

It would not be written if we can eat anything without offence.

 

[Abiding]

Would you consider halal meat a meat to idols?

dont you think it would have been better to just tell the reason
why you posted the scriptures you did so we dont have to run
around here? I sure do

Telling someone to go seek knowledge as if that would tell
them your point just wasnt right.....alot of people say
that around here and its meant to be condescending and
offensive.

 

[BarlyGurl]

It would not be written if we can eat anything without offence.

Okay... fine... so what is your point? I am not disputing it is possible to eat as an offense to God... but I still don't understand your position regarding REV. 2:20 and how it correlates with the thread topic "should we eat unclean meat of the old testament". Can you please answer the question... completely???

 

[Abiding]

Ok Love me show me what this has to do with food laws



I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. 25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. 26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[loveme1]

dont you think it would have been better to just tell the reason
why you posted the scriptures you did so we dont have to run
around here? I sure do

Telling someone to go seek knowledge as if that would tell
them your point just wasnt right.....alot of people say
that around here and its meant to be condescending and
offensive.

i urge many to seek Heavenly Father yes for he does reveal His Truth.
The halal meat came to me during this thread and i will seek this Truth.

The Bush may have been a little hard to grasp and i could of of used Scripture.


Exodus 3 (King James Version)

Exodus 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I

I do not say people go to hell for eating pork... i for most of my life ate pork also....

It is not me eating pork but my Spirit that ignores Heavenly Father who detests it that i abstained from it.

That came from within and i follow one Rabbi and you would not need to eat kosher around me for nothing is to me.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I have not said such thing.

Could you plainly tell what it is you wish for others to understand from your post?

 

[Abiding]

This text has many allusions to many things....studying history shows them....But food laws is not at all the intent of the passage.
And to eat things sacrificed unto idols The custom of attending on the festivals of idols led commonly to licentiousness, and they who were gross and sensual in their lives were fit subjects to be persuaded to attend on idol feasts - for nowhere else would they find more unlimited toleration for the indulgence of their passions.

 

[loveme1]

This text has many allusions to many things....studying history shows them....But food laws is not at all the intent of the passage.
And to eat things sacrificed unto idols The custom of attending on the festivals of idols led commonly to licentiousness, and they who were gross and sensual in their lives were fit subjects to be persuaded to attend on idol feasts - for nowhere else would they find more unlimited toleration for the indulgence of their passions.

So we can cause offense by eating things?

 

[jimmydiggs]

So we can cause offense by eating things?

To cultural sensibilities, yes.

Your passage in no way declares that a type of food (Beef, Pork, Equine, Poultry, etc) is unclean by virtue of it being from that animal for New Covenant believers.

1 Cor 10 seems pretty clear that we are not to eat meat sacrificed to idols.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? [SUP]19 [/SUP]Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? [SUP]20 [/SUP]No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. [SUP]21 [/SUP]You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord

 

[Abiding]

So we can cause offense by eating things?

Not sure what you mean Loveme "cause offense" i understand Gods will on
eating in front of those who lack faith or have issue thats why i said if i
ate lunch with you id eat kosher so i could not be a problem.

The script you put up was dealing with woman leadership....which was wrong
mixed in with occultism(adultry)and the meat thing may be symbolic or not. We know
Paul talked about this.

Anyway i usually dont get into this debate...unless you have a question about my beliefs
im prolly not going to say much more....im surprised ive been here this long.
blessings

 

[RedTent]

=Spokenpassage;God said he doesn't allow us to eat certain foods, so why do we eat it if the bible said not to?]]

I seems to me that the decision to follow OT suggestions about eating is something for each individual to decide. When Christ lived with us in the flesh, He said we had stricter rules to follow, for it wasn't only what we do but what our desires are. At the same time, more emphasis is put on what we have in our hearts than our actions, for actions can be empty rituals. For instance, keeping the Sabbath is not only not working, but honoring God by living by His rule of love and putting that first.

So how does this apply to what we eat? It means we need to do what God was trying to teach by giving these laws, not so much by what we eat but by living in the way they lead. First, God says don't eat any animal that is a scavanger. We are to be so chean (and God means this in the widest sense) that we don't even eat animals that are unclean. Be holy and pure!! Quite an order.

God did not want the Hebrews to mix so with the pagans they took on their ways. We are to be a people set apart! God said not to follow how they ate, even. Quite something to achieve.

When I think of how I fail, I am on my knees. I forget even to strive for all this because I get buried with my day to day obligations. So I am kosher. I m kosher as the first tiny step toward these things. I am kosher to remind myself to "put on the whole armor of God".

 

[LawofLove]

"However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your gates, whatever you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God which He has given you; the unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and the deer. Only you shall not eat the blood; you are to pour it out on the ground like water" - Deuteronomy 12:15-16

So here God allowed the Israelites to eat any clean and unclean meat, only that you shall not eat the blood but you are to pour it out on the ground like water.

God even permitted it back then! But even the Lord Jesus told us it doesnt matter what we eat, its our innerself.

You may want to go back and read those verses again. The unclean and the clean are talking about the people not the food. So those who are ceremonial unclean can still eat of it.If you read it they way you put it then your saying the food is eating its self.

This verse might help you see what its saying better.

Lev 7:20 But the soul that eateth of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, that pertain unto the LORD, having his uncleanness upon him, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

 

[Tintin]

True and yet there are also verses in the NT that pertain to not being afraid of eating food offered to gods because God is greater and will protect them from harm.

 

[pickles]

Read 1 Peter, he speaks well to this.

God bless
pickles