Should we follow Christ, or follow Christ’s Father or follow a triune God?

[VCO]

You have shown what you believe based on what you have been taught ....we can cut the chase by just showing one scripture where the holy spirit is worshipped.

What on earth do you think the Holy Spirit is? ? ? The FORCE of Star Wars?

2 Corinthians 3:2-4 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God.

John 15:26 (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Acts 5:3 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?

1 Corinthians 2:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.

Hebrews 9:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Genesis 21:33 (NIV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God.

Romans 8:9 (YLT)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ--this one is not His;

2 Timothy 1:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

PLEASE NOTICE that the SPIRIT OF GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT are one and the same.

Mark 3:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

 

[Richie_2uk]

I have been told that Christ rebelled against His Father like so many of our Teenagers do.That it isn’t a triune God, or God as One, but Christ is a new God.

People say He did away with all the old ways His Father said to behave and made brand new ones.His Father had a special people, and some of those people turned out to be just rotten, like the Pharisees, so the Father’s people were all to be shunned and even punished. Anything those people did, we are not to do.It wasn’t just the Pharisees, it was all the Jews that were chosen by Christ’s Dad.Besides, a lot of them rejected Christ, so people said they all had to be ignored.

His old fashioned Father told people to have special Holidays, with prophecies in them and celebrations of some of what the Father had done.Followers of Christ said those holidays had to be gotten rid of.The new holidays got rid of any idea of following His old fashioned Father.They still wanted holidays, so they changedthe ones they were used to so they would be about Christ.It didn’t take long for those new holidays to be thought of as the only right ones, their beginnings were forgotten completely.They soon became tradition, and tradition was taken as scripture.

His Father had made some legal contracts with the people.Christ made some, too.So the new contract Christ made was to wipe out any promise or contract the outdated Father made.The Father had a rainbow as part of one of these legal documents and they couldn’t get rid of that, but most people forgot about that.The rainbow itself is just too hard to dispose of.

There were letters they say explains the new way and how His Father had been all wrong and Christ was right.The Father helped write those letters, but the people said they proved the Father was an outdated fuddy duddy.

But, if you really study what Christ said and even what the letters say about Christ, He doesn’t sound at all like a rebellious Teen.He sounds like one with His Father and in complete unity with Him.One that truly obeyed His Father and did just what His Father had said He would do all along.His Father even prepared the world just for His Son.Actually, everything the Father did was about the Son and what the Son did for us.I don’t think Christ was a rebellious teen at all, but it is people who are rebellious and blame the Son.

God is a God of all mankind, but the bible explaining God is written by Hebrew people from a Hebrew culture, and mostly in a unique Hebrew language very difficult to translate.God counseled Hebrews to be sure that they would welcome anyone who wanted to join them, but for 4,000 years those who joined also joined the Hebrew race.

When Paul was put in charge of taking Christ to the gentiles, Paul was also charged with separating Jewish culture from God’s principles.On top of all this, Christ became the spirit and truth of these principles, taking away the symbols.When scripture says this is a change, we read it as cancelling old and replacing it with something entirely new when it is always based on the same basic thing, except now in spirit and truth.

The Christian Jews had a terrible time accepting that it did not require Jewish customs to be saved in Jesus.Gentiles are still having a terrible time learning exactly what Jesus changed and how.Blood remained, but Christ’s blood worked much better.The high priest remained the same, but Christ took his place and it was perfected.Many things were perfected, but always had a base in what was before.Scripture about the change is exact and complete, but it requires reading the Torah and believing it to understand the entire story.

The Jews in Jerusalem charged Paul.Acts 21:28They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everybody everywhere to despise our people, our Law and this place.It was decided to stone him to death. It is an interesting story, please read it, through Acts 26.

This is the final outcome:26:30-31 - Then the king rose to his feet and so did the governor and Bernice and those sitting with them, and when they had retired from the assembly they discussed the matter among themselves and agreed, "This man is doing nothing to deserve either death or imprisonment."

We need to come to the same conclusion.

What a mixed up mess people have made of this!In Acts it tells us that when Paul was trying to explain all of this, they thought, like many do today, that the teaching was against the Father’s principles.They even wanted to kill Paul by stoning for teaching against God the Father.He was freed of that charge, then, we should free him of that charge today.

Today, many believe that it is right to be against the Father’s principles and that is what Paul said to do.I don’t think that is what Paul is saying at all.Paul is saying to both Jew and gentile: Col_2:16Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.

Look at some of the mistakes missionaries made when they went to other cultures, like in the south seas.They were so determined to change the culture that often they forgot the scripture.Just as the Jews told Paul he was to teach gentiles to obey Jewish ways to be included in the church in the first century.

Paul preached the gospel, Paul preached the Lord, not the rituals that became cultural.We are to go to scripture, not our culture.God accepts people from all cultures.

So do you think John 10: 30 "I, and the father are one." is not true? If you go by what people believe or say, then are you not denying what Jesus say is the truth?

 

[newbirth]

What on earth do you think the Holy Spirit is? ? ? The FORCE of Star Wars?

2 Corinthians 3:2-4 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] You yourselves are our letter of recommendation, written on our hearts, to be known and read by all.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God.

John 15:26 (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

Acts 5:3 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?

1 Corinthians 2:12 (ESV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.

Hebrews 9:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Genesis 21:33 (NIV)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God.

Romans 8:9 (YLT)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ--this one is not His;

2 Timothy 1:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

PLEASE NOTICE that the SPIRIT OF GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT are one and the same.

Mark 3:28-29 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I assure you: People will be forgiven for all sins and whatever blasphemies they may blaspheme.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—

Good now you have learned something
PLEASE NOTICE that the SPIRIT OF GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT are one and the same. (and the same spirit of Christ Rom 8:9) So why would you want to make the spirit of God another God or another person as you put it
Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Now look at
1 Corinthians 2: [SUP]12[/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:24-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[VCO]

Good now you have learned something
PLEASE NOTICE that the SPIRIT OF GOD and the HOLY SPIRIT are one and the same. (and the same spirit of Christ Rom 8:9)

So why would you want to make the spirit of God another God or another person as you put it.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Now look at
1 Corinthians 2: [SUP]12[/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

NOW you are being just plain ridiculous on purpose, because I have been talking to you long enough to know that you are intelligent enough to KNOW that is NOT what we teach and believe. WE TEACH THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD! (Isa. 43:10) Never at any time has there been, nor ever will be, more than that ONE GOD, the Holy Trinity, made up of three distinct personages, with three distinct functions within the Godhead; YET being ONLY ONE DIETY. I prefer to call them personages, but either way, they all three have individual characteristics of being an individual, while at the same time having the EXACT SAME characteristics of being GOD HIMSELF.

HENCE:

Isaiah 6:8 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?
Then I said, Here am I; send me.

Makes absolute perfect sense that the I and the us are both referring to GOD HIMSELF.

You don't want to admit that the Triune Godhead is the REALITY of GOD HIMSELF, that is your problem. I hope and pray that it does not constitute blaspheming the Holy Spirit on your part.

 

[newbirth]

NOW you are being just plain ridiculous on purpose, because I have been talking to you long enough to know that you are intelligent enough to KNOW that is NOT what we teach and believe. WE TEACH THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD! (Isa. 43:10) Never at any time has there been, nor ever will be, more than that ONE GOD, the Holy Trinity, made up of three distinct personages, with three distinct functions within the Godhead; YET being ONLY ONE DIETY. I prefer to call them personages, but either way, they all three have individual characteristics of being an individual, while at the same time having the EXACT SAME characteristics of being GOD HIMSELF.

HENCE:

Isaiah 6:8 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?
Then I said, Here am I; send me.

Makes absolute perfect sense that the I and the us are both referring to GOD HIMSELF.

You don't want to admit that the Triune Godhead is the REALITY of GOD HIMSELF, that is your problem. I hope and pray that it does not constitute blaspheming the Holy Spirit on your part.

You say there is one God , three persons (personage whatever that is) in that God, what are these persons are they Gods? Father is a God ,Son is a God ,Holy spirit another God that makes four Gods. Three gods inside one god outside. Utter rubbish You have not been reading the bible nor my posts..

I give you the beginning...
[h=3]John 1:1-3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

I give you the end...

[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:24-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



I ask one simple question ...Do you see any trinity in there?

 

[GentleServant]

That is why the topic of trinity is very hard to explain in human words. because no human word/s can ever define How there is one God in three different manifestation.

Anyways, There is only one God and its clear in the bible (Deuteronomy 6:4). Same God who choose to came to earth in human form (Jesus) to save mankind. Jesus Christ confirms it by declaring that the "Father and I is one". The same God choose to continue to work in the hearts and live of those people who believe in Him in the form of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit descended to Jesus Christ after John the Baptist baptized Him and the scripture is clear when it said that the Holy Spirit "remains on Him (Jesus Christ)" - Read John 1:32.

So how the Holy spirit is received both to Jews and Gentliles? If we (truly/genuine) believe and received Jesus Christ - who has the Holy Spirit and has the authority to give it. According to apostle Paul, Holy Spirit is the seal of our salvation for the purpose of God's glory.

Ephesians 1:13-14“Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

Same God in three different manifestation working with harmony in the lives of mankind. I hope i deliver Gods message clear. It is impossible to have many God's and Its foolishness to say that you only follow Jesus Christ and not God nor the Holy Spirit because if you follow the Holy Spirit you are following Jesus Christ ad if you are following Jesus you are following the will of the Father.

 

[VCO]

You say there is one God , three persons (personage whatever that is) in that God, what are these persons are they Gods? Father is a God ,Son is a God ,Holy spirit another God that makes four Gods. Three gods inside one god outside. Utter rubbish You have not been reading the bible nor my posts..

I give you the beginning...
John 1:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

I give you the end...

1 Corinthians 15:24-28

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



I ask one simple question ...Do you see any trinity in there?

NO, there are not three GODs in One GOD, please listen! NONE of us Trinitarians believe there is more than ONE GOD, and that ONE GOD is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; HOWEVER GOD is Omnipresent, so no matter what part of GOD you want to talk about HE is the fullness of DEITY. NO TRUE TRINITARIAN is a poly-theist, if he is a poly-theist, he is a psuedo-Christian, not a born again Christian.

Isaiah 43:10-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.
John 10:37-38 (ESV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
[SUP]38 [/SUP] but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

HE MEANT THAT QUITE LITERALLY, and the same is true about the Holy Spirit.

As for seeing the Holy Trinity in Scripture, I see him all over Scripture, but the Holy Spirit is giving me that understanding, NOT MEN.

The primary Functions within the Godhead are as such:

The Father's primary function within the Godhead is to WILL what HE wants DONE, (HE is the Shotcaller).

The Son's primary function within the Godhead is to submissively DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER, (HE functions like a Son, or the one with the Birthright).

The Holy Spirit's primary function is to enable us to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER, starting with believing and receiving Jesus Christ as LORD.

TOGETHER they are Co-equally GOD.

While at the same time they are individuals in function.

2 Corinthians 1:3-4 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who comforteth us in all our affliction, that we may be able to comfort them that are in any affliction, through the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2 Corinthians 1:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as the sufferings of Christ abound unto us, even so our comfort also aboundeth through Christ.

John 14:16-17 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.


They all three are OUR COMFORTER, Yet they all THREE are individuals:

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Mark 5:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And crying out with a loud voice, he said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”

John 13:31 (ASV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] When therefore he was gone out, Jesus saith, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him;

Luke 1:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

John 14:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

THEREFORE:

Philippians 2:5-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Colossians 2:9-10 (NIV) [SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

 

[RedTent]

So do you think John 10: 30 "I, and the father are one." is not true? If you go by what people believe or say, then are you not denying what Jesus say is the truth?

I think that it is so true that "I and the Father are one" that it makes it not true that we should not listen to the principles of the Father as spoken in the Old Testament. When we say Christ made the ten commandments given by God obsolete, we are denying this. Christ mentioned Moses many times, never to say not to listen to him.

I think that when Christ fulfilled, Christ meant he kept everything his Father said (Christ said He did) and did with them just as the Father had said. He kept the High Priest, he became the High Priest, as an example.

I am convinced that all scripture is the truth and spoken by the same eternal God, even when we follow the changes Christ made. No change was made to the principles of the eternal God, they were perfected.

When we are told of something becoming obsolete, I think we need to check with all scripture carefully to find out what is passing away and how.

 

[Kerry]

why is the law so pleasing to the flesh?

 

[newbirth]

NO, there are not three GODs in One GOD, please listen! NONE of us Trinitarians believe there is more than ONE GOD, and that ONE GOD is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; HOWEVER GOD is Omnipresent, so no matter what part of GOD you want to talk about HE is the fullness of DEITY. NO TRUE TRINITARIAN is a poly-theist, if he is a poly-theist, he is a psuedo-Christian, not a born again Christian.

Isaiah 43:10-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.
John 10:37-38 (ESV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
[SUP]38 [/SUP] but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

HE MEANT THAT QUITE LITERALLY, and the same is true about the Holy Spirit.

As for seeing the Holy Trinity in Scripture, I see him all over Scripture, but the Holy Spirit is giving me that understanding, NOT MEN.

The primary Functions within the Godhead are as such:

The Father's primary function within the Godhead is to WILL what HE wants DONE, (HE is the Shotcaller).

The Son's primary function within the Godhead is to submissively DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER, (HE functions like a Son, or the one with the Birthright).

The Holy Spirit's primary function is to enable us to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER, starting with believing and receiving Jesus Christ as LORD.

TOGETHER they are Co-equally GOD.

While at the same time they are individuals in function.

2 Corinthians 1:3-4 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who comforteth us in all our affliction, that we may be able to comfort them that are in any affliction, through the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2 Corinthians 1:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as the sufferings of Christ abound unto us, even so our comfort also aboundeth through Christ.

John 14:16-17 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.


They all three are OUR COMFORTER, Yet they all THREE are individuals:

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Mark 5:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And crying out with a loud voice, he said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”

John 13:31 (ASV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] When therefore he was gone out, Jesus saith, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him;

Luke 1:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

John 14:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

THEREFORE:

Philippians 2:5-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Colossians 2:9-10 (NIV) [SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

You still have not shown holy spirit being worshipped as God...Jn 16:13-16 All things belongs to Father and Christ HS receives from Christ to show us...Where is the equality?
All you have proven, is Father God Almighty, Jesus Christ our Lord (word became flesh) sharing the same spirit
who send the comforter?
John 14:26
John 15:26

• Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
  

[h=3]John 16:13-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

 

[just-me]

why is the law so pleasing to the flesh?

Your question is bewildering to me. Please explain. I believe in the salvation of Christ Jesus. Before being born of the Spirit in Christ Jesus, I wanted nothing to do with it, for I was in the flesh, and under its condemnation. Now I want to learn the spiritual principles found therein, but not by the flesh but by the Spirit of God. To study it that way is rewarding to my soul. I am at aw when I see His perfection. It's beautiful.
Romans 8:5-7
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be .

 

[newbirth]

NO, there are not three GODs in One GOD, please listen! NONE of us Trinitarians believe there is more than ONE GOD, and that ONE GOD is the sum total of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; HOWEVER GOD is Omnipresent, so no matter what part of GOD you want to talk about HE is the fullness of DEITY. NO TRUE TRINITARIAN is a poly-theist, if he is a poly-theist, he is a psuedo-Christian, not a born again Christian.

Isaiah 43:10-12 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I alone declared, saved, and proclaimed— and not some foreign god among you. So you are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and I am God.
John 10:37-38 (ESV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me;
[SUP]38 [/SUP] but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

HE MEANT THAT QUITE LITERALLY, and the same is true about the Holy Spirit.

As for seeing the Holy Trinity in Scripture, I see him all over Scripture, but the Holy Spirit is giving me that understanding, NOT MEN.

The primary Functions within the Godhead are as such:

The Father's primary function within the Godhead is to WILL what HE wants DONE, (HE is the Shotcaller).

The Son's primary function within the Godhead is to submissively DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER, (HE functions like a Son, or the one with the Birthright).

The Holy Spirit's primary function is to enable us to DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER, starting with believing and receiving Jesus Christ as LORD.

TOGETHER they are Co-equally GOD.

While at the same time they are individuals in function.

2 Corinthians 1:3-4 (ASV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] who comforteth us in all our affliction, that we may be able to comfort them that are in any affliction, through the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2 Corinthians 1:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as the sufferings of Christ abound unto us, even so our comfort also aboundeth through Christ.

John 14:16-17 (ASV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may be with you for ever,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] even the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.


They all three are OUR COMFORTER, Yet they all THREE are individuals:

John 15:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Mark 5:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And crying out with a loud voice, he said, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I adjure you by God, do not torment me.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For he was saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”

John 13:31 (ASV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] When therefore he was gone out, Jesus saith, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him;

Luke 1:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

John 14:26 (ASV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

THEREFORE:

Philippians 2:5-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Colossians 2:9-10 (NIV) [SUP]9 [/SUP] For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority.

so you are saying Father is not God and son is not God

 

[newbirth]

That is why the topic of trinity is very hard to explain in human words. because no human word/s can ever define How there is one God in three different manifestation.

Anyways, There is only one God and its clear in the bible (Deuteronomy 6:4). Same God who choose to came to earth in human form (Jesus) to save mankind. Jesus Christ confirms it by declaring that the "Father and I is one". The same God choose to continue to work in the hearts and live of those people who believe in Him in the form of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit descended to Jesus Christ after John the Baptist baptized Him and the scripture is clear when it said that the Holy Spirit "remains on Him (Jesus Christ)" - Read John 1:32.

So how the Holy spirit is received both to Jews and Gentliles? If we (truly/genuine) believe and received Jesus Christ - who has the Holy Spirit and has the authority to give it. According to apostle Paul, Holy Spirit is the seal of our salvation for the purpose of God's glory.

Ephesians 1:13-14“Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

Same God in three different manifestation working with harmony in the lives of mankind. I hope i deliver Gods message clear. It is impossible to have many God's and Its foolishness to say that you only follow Jesus Christ and not God nor the Holy Spirit because if you follow the Holy Spirit you are following Jesus Christ ad if you are following Jesus you are following the will of the Fathe

r

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I do not see three manifestations here...but you see all things? where is the trinity ?



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Do you see three manifestation here
[h=3]1 Corinthians 15:24-28[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



All I ask is to show one scripture where the HS is worshipped...

 

[newbirth]

That is why the topic of trinity is very hard to explain in human words. because no human word/s can ever define How there is one God in three different manifestation.

Anyways, There is only one God and its clear in the bible (Deuteronomy 6:4). Same God who choose to came to earth in human form (Jesus) to save mankind. Jesus Christ confirms it by declaring that the "Father and I is one". The same God choose to continue to work in the hearts and live of those people who believe in Him in the form of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit descended to Jesus Christ after John the Baptist baptized Him and the scripture is clear when it said that the Holy Spirit "remains on Him (Jesus Christ)" - Read John 1:32.

So how the Holy spirit is received both to Jews and Gentliles? If we (truly/genuine) believe and received Jesus Christ - who has the Holy Spirit and has the authority to give it. According to apostle Paul, Holy Spirit is the seal of our salvation for the purpose of God's glory.

Ephesians 1:13-14“Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

Same God in three different manifestation working with harmony in the lives of mankind. I hope i deliver Gods message clear. It is impossible to have many God's and Its foolishness to say that you only follow Jesus Christ and not God nor the Holy Spirit because if you follow the Holy Spirit you are following Jesus Christ ad if you are following Jesus you are following the will of the Fathe

r

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I do not see three manifestations here...but you see all things? where is the trinity ?



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Do you see three manifestation here
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



All I ask is to show one scripture where the HS is worshipped...

 

[just-me]

Do you see three manifestation here
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



All I ask is to show one scripture where the HS is worshipped...

Good scripture, and might I add.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

The Holy Spirit is the motivator of righteousness.

 

[VCO]

Do you see three manifestation here
1 Corinthians 15:24-28

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



All I ask is to show one scripture where the HS is worshipped...

I already did, but you refuse to recognize those verses as such. Also, I already pointed out that the Son's function within the Godhead, is to SUBMISSIVELY do the will of the Father whose function is to be the Shotcaller (boss) of the Godhead. That is where their individuality comes into play, which you also refuse to recognize.

Has there ever been a point in your life where you admitted you are unworthy to GOD, mourning over your utter sinfulness, crying out for HIS mercy from a broken contrite heart, because you KNOW you are unworthy of being saved? AND then following that, you completely surrender control of your life to Jesus Christ as MASTER and LORD, meaning all of that with your whole being? THAT is the point at which the HOLY SPIRIT comes into your heart to take up permanent residence there, beginning to teach you all things about GOD.


1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by His Spirit. (<-- NOTICE, there is what you asked for.)
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[RedTent]

why is the law so pleasing to the flesh?

The law points to a good way to live happily, many in the flesh are smart enough to use it for a good life. Being saved in Christ is something apart from that completely, a different subject.

But deciding that Christ was against the law, or that being you are saved you only want fleshly ways to live, or any of the other excuses to ignore God's instructions to us about living here on earth is just plain dumb.

 

[chubbena]

That is why the topic of trinity is very hard to explain in human words. because no human word/s can ever define How there is one God in three different manifestation.

Anyways, There is only one God and its clear in the bible (Deuteronomy 6:4). Same God who choose to came to earth in human form (Jesus) to save mankind. Jesus Christ confirms it by declaring that the "Father and I is one". The same God choose to continue to work in the hearts and live of those people who believe in Him in the form of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit descended to Jesus Christ after John the Baptist baptized Him and the scripture is clear when it said that the Holy Spirit "remains on Him (Jesus Christ)" - Read John 1:32.

So how the Holy spirit is received both to Jews and Gentliles? If we (truly/genuine) believe and received Jesus Christ - who has the Holy Spirit and has the authority to give it. According to apostle Paul, Holy Spirit is the seal of our salvation for the purpose of God's glory.

Ephesians 1:13-14“Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

Same God in three different manifestation working with harmony in the lives of mankind. I hope i deliver Gods message clear. It is impossible to have many God's and Its foolishness to say that you only follow Jesus Christ and not God nor the Holy Spirit because if you follow the Holy Spirit you are following Jesus Christ ad if you are following Jesus you are following the will of the Father.

So the idea of trinity is to make one understand the character of God better or worse?

 

[newbirth]

I already did, but you refuse to recognize those verses as such. Also, I already pointed out that the Son's function within the Godhead, is to SUBMISSIVELY do the will of the Father whose function is to be the Shotcaller (boss) of the Godhead. That is where their individuality comes into play, which you also refuse to recognize.

Has there ever been a point in your life where you admitted you are unworthy to GOD, mourning over your utter sinfulness, crying out for HIS mercy from a broken contrite heart, because you KNOW you are unworthy of being saved? AND then following that, you completely surrender control of your life to Jesus Christ as MASTER and LORD, meaning all of that with your whole being? THAT is the point at which the HOLY SPIRIT comes into your heart to take up permanent residence there, beginning to teach you all things about GOD.


1 Corinthians 2:10-14 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] but God has revealed it to us by His Spirit. (<-- NOTICE, there is what you asked for.)
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You know what I asked for ,you know you cannot find it. why beat around the bush. You seek to deceive the feebleminded by corrupting the Word of God to support your false doctrine. The word of God will find you out.
1 Thessalonians 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

[h=3]Matthew 28:17-19[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:


Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul

 

[newbirth]

Good scripture, and might I add.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

The Holy Spirit is the motivator of righteousness.

Yes we worship in the spirit we worship in truth. We do not worship the spirit