Should we study the rituals God gave Israel?

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But the spiritual laws that the ceremonies led to is still in effect, and reading what the Lord said when God gave those laws to us helps us understand the spiritual laws they led to.

Spiritual laws work in two ways . One used as a ceremony a shadow that points ahead as carnal ordinances, imposed on the Jews until the time of reformation. and the other that which the shadow points

Colossians 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

There is a ceremonial sabbath used as a shadow and the substance not seen the actual rest. One governs ceremonies set aside once a week that point to the substance the other the rest we do receive when mixing that which is seen the eternal called mixing faith.

The substance comes as a person does mix faith (believe God not seen ) as he works in us to both will and do His good pleasure as that which softens our hard hearts having rest from our own works That rest is not time sensitive like the ceremonial law . But today(24-7) if we hear God speak and do not harden our hearts we have received that imputed rest .

The ceremonial sabbath as a shadow is a whole different subject that begins with a fast. The shadow is time sensitive.

The Gospel key study what it means; being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Hebrews 4:1-5 King James Version (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Ceremonial laws do not provide rest they point to the one we can rest in
 
Miri said:
There is no need for nastiness and sarcasm.
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Thanks so much Miri, for standing up for me.

I simply cannot understand people who can not accept what scripture tells them but makes an argument of it.

If they know that it is faith that gives salvation they seem to have trouble knowing that to put on Christ is to do as Christ does, live as free of sin as they can manage. I guess they can't trust God so they can have it all: faith, love, works, sin free. If they opened their heart it would all come to them instead of this arguing, accusing, sin filled stuff.

If they know that works does not bring salvation, they use that knowledge to oppose works.

If they learn that God gave rituals for a purpose they should know about, they get caught up in the rituals that were not important, only a means, so they can't learn the purpose of them.

God is love and also common sense. God is simple to know. It is almost as if demons are messing with people's minds to mix them up.

Then here and there in the posts God's common sense and love shines through. God bless those who see all of God without strange blinders on.
 
I think we should study all of God's word, for there is a lesson, but we do not need to follow the Old Testament rituals, or physical covenants, which is why the Bible says Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross, for they were contrary to us for they could not provide spiritual salvation, but since they could not have the Spirit in the Old Testament God had them do physical ordinances until the Spirit was poured upon all flesh.

And the lesson is how dedicated Israel was to God at one time, and how He is pleased that we follow what He told us to observe and do, which is abundantly pointed out in the Old Testament.

Which other nations have claimed the God of Israel, but no other nation did it completely right but Israel, when they were in the truth, but other nations mingled their falsehood with the God of Israel, America included as she allows all religions to be practiced in her country including Satanism, and the occult, and the love of money which is the root of all evil.

Boy do Americans love their money, and what I have to say is if you get a life insurance policy do not tell the person who you put down as the beneficiary, for you might get bumped off, lol, that kind of love of money.

While the New Testament is great the Old Testament seems more fascinating to read, for in the New Testament we know Jesus is Lord and Savior, God manifest in the flesh, and be led of the Spirit being Christlike, and do not follow the world when they come together and say Peace and safety.

But in the Old Testament we read so much more, and more diverse of a reading of different things.

And without the Old Testament being written would anybody believe the New Testament if it was stand alone without a witness telling about it before hand.

So the Old Testament is important.
 
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Blik said:
Are you suggesting that we do not accept Christ's giving himself to pay for our sins as the sacrificial system tells us about? Or that we should keep our minds from dirt as the dietary laws teach? Or we should keep ourselves as belonging to the Lord as circumcision teach?

Or are you saying we do not need the physical reminders to do these things?

Or do you mean that you believe we can make our own way without God's input?
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There are 613 laws scattered through the Torah. They are divided into several sections. 2 main sections tell us what to do and what not to do. Further dividing this is who and where the laws apply. Keep in mind that Jesus stated the laws are in force until heaven and earth disappear.

Other In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
 
gb9 said:
blik thinks that Jesus was crucified on wed. and raised on the Sabbath, so we have to keep it to be saved.

just so you know the mindset at work here...……...
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When you put words in someone's mouth you need to point to the post where they say that.
 
MattforJesus said:
I think we should study all of God's word, for there is a lesson, but we do not need to follow the Old Testament rituals, or physical covenants, which is why the Bible says Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross, for they were contrary to us for they could not provide spiritual salvation, but since they could not have the Spirit in the Old Testament God had them do physical ordinances until the Spirit was poured upon all flesh.

And the lesson is how dedicated Israel was to God at one time, and how He is pleased that we follow what He told us to observe and do, which is abundantly pointed out in the Old Testament.

Which other nations have claimed the God of Israel, but no other nation did it completely right but Israel, when they were in the truth, but other nations mingled their falsehood with the God of Israel, America included as she allows all religions to be practiced in her country including Satanism, and the occult, and the love of money which is the root of all evil.

Boy do Americans love their money, and what I have to say is if you get a life insurance policy do not tell the person who you put down as the beneficiary, for you might get bumped off, lol, that kind of love of money.

While the New Testament is great the Old Testament seems more fascinating to read, for in the New Testament we know Jesus is Lord and Savior, God manifest in the flesh, and be led of the Spirit being Christlike, and do not follow the world when they come together and say Peace and safety.

But in the Old Testament we read so much more, and more diverse of a reading of different things.

And without the Old Testament being written would anybody believe the New Testament if it was stand alone without a witness telling about it before hand.

So the Old Testament is important.
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One importance of the Old Testament is the 315 prophecies that Jesus fulfilled.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
There is indeed. You have misunderstood what that phrase "the time of reformation" (in Hebrews 9:10) means as related to rituals: Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation*.

*Strong's Concordance
diorthósis: a making straight, rectification
Transliteration: diorthósis
Definition: a making straight, rectification [some Bibles have *new order*]

It simply means the time when the New Covenant was ESTABLISHED, and a rectification was made in how sinners must approach God. Christ's sacrifice on the cross put an end to all ceremonies pertaining to the Old Covenant. Indeed the veil in the temple was supernaturally torn from top to bottom to confirm that "IT IS FINISHED" meant it is finished.

The title of this thread says "Should we study the rituals...", and that verse above says God is done -- finished -- with the rituals. End of story. Why? Because Christ is THE REALITY who has fulfilled everything pertaining to the Old Covenant.

So now for any Christian to raise this issue is to OPPOSE GOD AND CHRIST. In other words, it is a rejection of the perfection of the finished work of Christ. And that is what the epistle to the Hebrews is all about -- a warning to Hebrew Christians to avoid reverting to Moses after Christ has set aside the Old Covenant.
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Ah ok. Reformation...being all as one in Christ...no more earthly temple made with human hands but God dwelling with us right in the body of Christ?

maybe the OP hasnt read Hebrews? You can study what the old rituals were in Hebrews as it does explain what happened to them. The OT record of them is for our learning though, I wouldnt discard the OT because the NT shows how Jesus fulfilled them.

My Holy Bible does have both OT and NT, I know some people just only read the NT.

As said before some say yes, others say no, I dont think theres any requirement of SHOULD, the only obligation or commandment Jesus gave us is to love God and love our neighbours as we love God.
But note that Paul advised Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, a workman rightly dividing the word of truth. As long as we know how to divide the word of truth i.e OT and NT then thats what God approves right? We dont mix them up.
 
Lanolin said:
Ah ok. Reformation...being all as one in Christ...no more earthly temple made with human hands but God dwelling with us right in the body of Christ?

maybe the OP hasnt read Hebrews? You can study what the old rituals were in Hebrews as it does explain what happened to them. The OT record of them is for our learning though, I wouldnt discard the OT because the NT shows how Jesus fulfilled them.

My Holy Bible does have both OT and NT, I know some people just only read the NT.

As said before some say yes, others say no, I dont think theres any requirement of SHOULD, the only obligation or commandment Jesus gave us is to love God and love our neighbours as we love God.
But note that Paul advised Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, a workman rightly dividing the word of truth. As long as we know how to divide the word of truth i.e OT and NT then thats what God approves right? We dont mix them up.
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Jesus said the law is in place until the heavens and earth disappear. How can we learn what the law says without the Torah? First 5 books of the Bible! Most of the prophets are in the Old Testament. The whole Bible is the Word of God. Why would we then reject the majority of the Bible?
 
Endoscopy said:
Jesus said the law is in place until the heavens and earth disappear. How can we learn what the law says without the Torah? First 5 books of the Bible! Most of the prophets are in the Old Testament. The whole Bible is the Word of God. Why would we then reject the majority of the Bible?
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1. The whole Bible is given to Christians as noted in 2 Tim 3:16,17.

2. What is in the OT (Genesis to Malachi) is for our learning,

3. But what is in the NT is to show us that the Old Covenant is now NULL AND VOID while the New Covenant has been in effect from the day Christ died on the cross and proclaimed "IT IS FINISHED*.

4. The rituals of the Old Covenant are null and void and have no relevance to Christianity.

5. The temple does not exist in Jerusalem, and we are to focus on the Heavenly Temple where Christ is our great High Priest.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
1. The whole Bible is given to Christians as noted in 2 Tim 3:16,17.

2. What is in the OT (Genesis to Malachi) is for our learning,

3. But what is in the NT is to show us that the Old Covenant is now NULL AND VOID while the New Covenant has been in effect from the day Christ died on the cross and proclaimed "IT IS FINISHED*.

4. The rituals of the Old Covenant are null and void and have no relevance to Christianity.

5. The temple does not exist in Jerusalem, and we are to focus on the Heavenly Temple where Christ is our great High Priest.
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Try again.

Matthew 5:17 and 18
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or [ab]undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.

The Jews in Israel are starting to build a new temple on the site of the previous 2 temples.
 
That new temple is where the abomination that causes desolation will occur.

Jesus said when people in Israel see it to run and hide in the hills!
 
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