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John 1 verses 1 + 14a~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
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Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Salvation = Strong's H3444

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
 
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Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Salvation = Strong's H3444

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.

Isaiah 12 verses 2-3 ~ Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. For the LORD GOD is my strength and my song, and He also has become my salvation.
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Aaron56

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@Aaron56 has a great answer for this... hopefully he will explain .:D
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Thank you sister!

A partial answer is below. I will expand this if there are questions about the nuances of Christ the eternal Spirit and Jesus the son of man / Son of God.

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

Notice He said not man > not the angels > not the Son... only the Father.

Then, after all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, He revealed this to John:

This is in Revelation: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servant things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John..."

So, here the order is reversed: Father > to the Son > to the angels > to man (John)

Hebrews 1 tells us of the exchange of authority:

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."

Here, "His Son" is actually just "Son". So it would read "[God] has in these last days spoken to us by Son". The implications are manifold, but one thing for certain is that there is no other way to commune with God except by Son. This is consistent with:

"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

Furthermore, since Christ was given "all authority in heaven and on earth" there is none reserved for God the Father. The Father didn't keep anything back or hedge His generosity. The entire rule of the estate of God was given to Christ, the Son of God.

So, this includes the Day of His return. WE, who are in Him, do not currently know the Day but we will. When the SON decides to reveal these things to His Body we will know the Day. We will not know the Day by arithmetic, or by studying Hebrew or the Old Testament, etc. We will know when He decides to reveal it to us. And it won't be so that Mel Gibson can make a movie about it. He will release it to those who are watching over others in the spirit so that they might prepare His flock for the coming Day.
 

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Furthermore, since Christ was given "all authority in heaven and on earth" there is none reserved for God the Father. The Father didn't keep anything back or hedge His generosity. The entire rule of the estate of God was given to Christ, the Son of God.
I have believed had the Disciples asked what they did in Matthew 24 in Matthew 28 they would have had a better understanding of when the timing would be since Jesus had all Authority.

I also believe Jesus, the WORD, knew this information all along but when He came to earth as Jesus He gave up many things concerning His Deity.
 

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I have believed had the Disciples asked what they did in Matthew 24 in Matthew 28 they would have had a better understanding of when the timing would be since Jesus had all Authority.

I also believe Jesus, the WORD, knew this information all along but when He came to earth as Jesus He gave up many things concerning His Deity.
Yeah. For example as an infant, He was vulnerable like all infants were vulnerable. He was not some super-infant with mutant powers. He required guardians (Mary and Joseph) just like all human babies.

What set Him apart was his calling: to be the Messiah. Not just a deliverer from worldly oppression, but from the oppression of sin. This is partly how Paul knew the gifts and callings were irrevocable: the life of Jesus proved this.

This kind of nonsense:



..was born out of polytheistic mythology: wherein Zeus and Jupiter had demi-god children by raping human women. That's partly why the Roman church still looks to artifacts and water stains for godly significance: God is always external, in something or someone out there. They unbelieve that the kingdom of God, God's Spirit, and the Word can be within them. So, to keep the ruse going, more external signs are needed; more "pieces of the cross", more elaborate reignment, more white smoke, etc. It's like comic books: there's always another story of our favorite character.

Any way, that's all I'll say about that for now. :whistle:
 

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Yeah. For example as an infant, He was vulnerable like all infants were vulnerable. He was not some super-infant with mutant powers. He required guardians (Mary and Joseph) just like all human babies.

What set Him apart was his calling: to be the Messiah. Not just a deliverer from worldly oppression, but from the oppression of sin. This is partly how Paul knew the gifts and callings were irrevocable: the life of Jesus proved this.

This kind of nonsense:



..was born out of polytheistic mythology: wherein Zeus and Jupiter had demi-god children by raping human women. That's partly why the Roman church still looks to artifacts and water stains for godly significance: God is always external, in something or someone out there. They unbelieve that the kingdom of God, God's Spirit, and the Word can be within them. So, to keep the ruse going, more external signs are needed; more "pieces of the cross", more elaborate reignment, more white smoke, etc. It's like comic books: there's always another story of our favorite character.

Any way, that's all I'll say about that for now. :whistle:
I agree!

The WORD made flesh subjected Himself and limited Himself making Himself having the ability to suffer like the humans He created. And even though He would have known all of those answers like His Return He chose to be subjected to Authority so we understand to also be subjected to the same Authority.

Some individuals have no real concept of the choices He made in order to leave Heaven to fulfill the Sacrifice required not just for sins but in the whole process He also established a way to be Resurrected. And to make sure we grasped this reality He showed us TWO Resurrections with Lazarus and Himself.

The one thing I noticed between Adam in the Garden and Jesus when He walked the earth is they SPOKE to things.

When Adam was created we see he went around and spoke to things giving them a NAME and such. He does NO PHYSICAL WORK until he's removed from the Garden. He just speaks to things and it's done and established.

When we look at Jesus He does the same thing. Once in awhile He might take dirt and spit but to the raging wind and Sea or to the leprosy or to the dead person or to the demon possessing a human or multiplying the loaves and fishes He SPOKE like Adam once did and it happened.

Jesus re-established our Dominion on earth when we become joint-heirs.

Many times I don't pray in the sense I hope God will do this healing, miracle, provide a way but I speak to it as a Joint-Heir of God and I have seen incredible results from it.

But if we read the Book of Acts and Paul's Letters we see them SPEAKING to things like Jesus did like when Paul told the demon to leave the girl that followed him saying who he was. He just spoke to it like a Joint-Heir and bam it happened.
 

Aaron56

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I agree!

The WORD made flesh subjected Himself and limited Himself making Himself having the ability to suffer like the humans He created. And even though He would have known all of those answers like His Return He chose to be subjected to Authority so we understand to also be subjected to the same Authority.

Some individuals have no real concept of the choices He made in order to leave Heaven to fulfill the Sacrifice required not just for sins but in the whole process He also established a way to be Resurrected. And to make sure we grasped this reality He showed us TWO Resurrections with Lazarus and Himself.

The one thing I noticed between Adam in the Garden and Jesus when He walked the earth is they SPOKE to things.

When Adam was created we see he went around and spoke to things giving them a NAME and such. He does NO PHYSICAL WORK until he's removed from the Garden. He just speaks to things and it's done and established.

When we look at Jesus He does the same thing. Once in awhile He might take dirt and spit but to the raging wind and Sea or to the leprosy or to the dead person or to the demon possessing a human or multiplying the loaves and fishes He SPOKE like Adam once did and it happened.

Jesus re-established our Dominion on earth when we become joint-heirs.

Many times I don't pray in the sense I hope God will do this healing, miracle, provide a way but I speak to it as a Joint-Heir of God and I have seen incredible results from it.

But if we read the Book of Acts and Paul's Letters we see them SPEAKING to things like Jesus did like when Paul told the demon to leave the girl that followed him saying who he was. He just spoke to it like a Joint-Heir and bam it happened.
Yeah, when all authority is given to you in heaven and in earth, really, what can prevent your dominion? :cool:

Consider that heaven was also created so it is not eternal. Before creation, God was, the Word was, and the Spirit was. Heaven was required only "in the beginning" where "the beginning" meant God revealing Himself in time and space.

Even the arrangements in heaven seen by the prophets and in Revelation are for our benefit. Through them God shows us His nature, character, and likeness and also those qualities for those who are in Christ.

When you are "all-powerful" then you have no need save for any need you create for yourself. Also, because you cannot lie, then you are restrained by the words you speak. In the case of God, He determined to be restrained by the thing that ultimately benefited us: love. That is why, in spite of all His eternal qualities, WE, who are human, can truthfully say "God is love". From a man's point of view, this short statement encompasses ALL who He is. He decided, not man, that He could be known by that singular attribute.
 

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Yeah, when all authority is given to you in heaven and in earth, really, what can prevent your dominion? :cool:

Consider that heaven was also created so it is not eternal. Before creation, God was, the Word was, and the Spirit was. Heaven was required only "in the beginning" where "the beginning" meant God revealing Himself in time and space.

Even the arrangements in heaven seen by the prophets and in Revelation are for our benefit. Through them God shows us His nature, character, and likeness and also those qualities for those who are in Christ.

When you are "all-powerful" then you have no need save for any need you create for yourself. Also, because you cannot lie, then you are restrained by the words you speak. In the case of God, He determined to be restrained by the thing that ultimately benefited us: love. That is why, in spite of all His eternal qualities, WE, who are human, can truthfully say "God is love". From a man's point of view, this short statement encompasses ALL who He is. He decided, not man, that He could be known by that singular attribute.
Even king David chimes in about this Dominion we are to have.


4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him?

5 For thou hast made him but little lower than God,
And crownest him with glory and honor.

6 Thou makest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
Thou hast put all things under his feet:
 

lrs68

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If we learned to live under this condition that Jesus re-established for us just imagine what could be accomplished on this earth.