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John 1 verses 1 + 14a~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
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Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Salvation = Strong's H3444

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.
 
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Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Salvation = Strong's H3444

H3444
ישׁוּעה
yeshû‛âh
yesh-oo'-aw
Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: - deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare.

Isaiah 12 verses 2-3 ~ Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. For the LORD GOD is my strength and my song, and He also has become my salvation.
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@Aaron56 has a great answer for this... hopefully he will explain .:D
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Thank you sister!

A partial answer is below. I will expand this if there are questions about the nuances of Christ the eternal Spirit and Jesus the son of man / Son of God.

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."

Notice He said not man > not the angels > not the Son... only the Father.

Then, after all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him, He revealed this to John:

This is in Revelation: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servant things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John..."

So, here the order is reversed: Father > to the Son > to the angels > to man (John)

Hebrews 1 tells us of the exchange of authority:

"God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son..."

Here, "His Son" is actually just "Son". So it would read "[God] has in these last days spoken to us by Son". The implications are manifold, but one thing for certain is that there is no other way to commune with God except by Son. This is consistent with:

"Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

Furthermore, since Christ was given "all authority in heaven and on earth" there is none reserved for God the Father. The Father didn't keep anything back or hedge His generosity. The entire rule of the estate of God was given to Christ, the Son of God.

So, this includes the Day of His return. WE, who are in Him, do not currently know the Day but we will. When the SON decides to reveal these things to His Body we will know the Day. We will not know the Day by arithmetic, or by studying Hebrew or the Old Testament, etc. We will know when He decides to reveal it to us. And it won't be so that Mel Gibson can make a movie about it. He will release it to those who are watching over others in the spirit so that they might prepare His flock for the coming Day.
 

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Furthermore, since Christ was given "all authority in heaven and on earth" there is none reserved for God the Father. The Father didn't keep anything back or hedge His generosity. The entire rule of the estate of God was given to Christ, the Son of God.
I have believed had the Disciples asked what they did in Matthew 24 in Matthew 28 they would have had a better understanding of when the timing would be since Jesus had all Authority.

I also believe Jesus, the WORD, knew this information all along but when He came to earth as Jesus He gave up many things concerning His Deity.
 

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I have believed had the Disciples asked what they did in Matthew 24 in Matthew 28 they would have had a better understanding of when the timing would be since Jesus had all Authority.

I also believe Jesus, the WORD, knew this information all along but when He came to earth as Jesus He gave up many things concerning His Deity.
Yeah. For example as an infant, He was vulnerable like all infants were vulnerable. He was not some super-infant with mutant powers. He required guardians (Mary and Joseph) just like all human babies.

What set Him apart was his calling: to be the Messiah. Not just a deliverer from worldly oppression, but from the oppression of sin. This is partly how Paul knew the gifts and callings were irrevocable: the life of Jesus proved this.

This kind of nonsense:



..was born out of polytheistic mythology: wherein Zeus and Jupiter had demi-god children by raping human women. That's partly why the Roman church still looks to artifacts and water stains for godly significance: God is always external, in something or someone out there. They unbelieve that the kingdom of God, God's Spirit, and the Word can be within them. So, to keep the ruse going, more external signs are needed; more "pieces of the cross", more elaborate reignment, more white smoke, etc. It's like comic books: there's always another story of our favorite character.

Any way, that's all I'll say about that for now. :whistle:
 

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Yeah. For example as an infant, He was vulnerable like all infants were vulnerable. He was not some super-infant with mutant powers. He required guardians (Mary and Joseph) just like all human babies.

What set Him apart was his calling: to be the Messiah. Not just a deliverer from worldly oppression, but from the oppression of sin. This is partly how Paul knew the gifts and callings were irrevocable: the life of Jesus proved this.

This kind of nonsense:



..was born out of polytheistic mythology: wherein Zeus and Jupiter had demi-god children by raping human women. That's partly why the Roman church still looks to artifacts and water stains for godly significance: God is always external, in something or someone out there. They unbelieve that the kingdom of God, God's Spirit, and the Word can be within them. So, to keep the ruse going, more external signs are needed; more "pieces of the cross", more elaborate reignment, more white smoke, etc. It's like comic books: there's always another story of our favorite character.

Any way, that's all I'll say about that for now. :whistle:
I agree!

The WORD made flesh subjected Himself and limited Himself making Himself having the ability to suffer like the humans He created. And even though He would have known all of those answers like His Return He chose to be subjected to Authority so we understand to also be subjected to the same Authority.

Some individuals have no real concept of the choices He made in order to leave Heaven to fulfill the Sacrifice required not just for sins but in the whole process He also established a way to be Resurrected. And to make sure we grasped this reality He showed us TWO Resurrections with Lazarus and Himself.

The one thing I noticed between Adam in the Garden and Jesus when He walked the earth is they SPOKE to things.

When Adam was created we see he went around and spoke to things giving them a NAME and such. He does NO PHYSICAL WORK until he's removed from the Garden. He just speaks to things and it's done and established.

When we look at Jesus He does the same thing. Once in awhile He might take dirt and spit but to the raging wind and Sea or to the leprosy or to the dead person or to the demon possessing a human or multiplying the loaves and fishes He SPOKE like Adam once did and it happened.

Jesus re-established our Dominion on earth when we become joint-heirs.

Many times I don't pray in the sense I hope God will do this healing, miracle, provide a way but I speak to it as a Joint-Heir of God and I have seen incredible results from it.

But if we read the Book of Acts and Paul's Letters we see them SPEAKING to things like Jesus did like when Paul told the demon to leave the girl that followed him saying who he was. He just spoke to it like a Joint-Heir and bam it happened.
 

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I agree!

The WORD made flesh subjected Himself and limited Himself making Himself having the ability to suffer like the humans He created. And even though He would have known all of those answers like His Return He chose to be subjected to Authority so we understand to also be subjected to the same Authority.

Some individuals have no real concept of the choices He made in order to leave Heaven to fulfill the Sacrifice required not just for sins but in the whole process He also established a way to be Resurrected. And to make sure we grasped this reality He showed us TWO Resurrections with Lazarus and Himself.

The one thing I noticed between Adam in the Garden and Jesus when He walked the earth is they SPOKE to things.

When Adam was created we see he went around and spoke to things giving them a NAME and such. He does NO PHYSICAL WORK until he's removed from the Garden. He just speaks to things and it's done and established.

When we look at Jesus He does the same thing. Once in awhile He might take dirt and spit but to the raging wind and Sea or to the leprosy or to the dead person or to the demon possessing a human or multiplying the loaves and fishes He SPOKE like Adam once did and it happened.

Jesus re-established our Dominion on earth when we become joint-heirs.

Many times I don't pray in the sense I hope God will do this healing, miracle, provide a way but I speak to it as a Joint-Heir of God and I have seen incredible results from it.

But if we read the Book of Acts and Paul's Letters we see them SPEAKING to things like Jesus did like when Paul told the demon to leave the girl that followed him saying who he was. He just spoke to it like a Joint-Heir and bam it happened.
Yeah, when all authority is given to you in heaven and in earth, really, what can prevent your dominion? :cool:

Consider that heaven was also created so it is not eternal. Before creation, God was, the Word was, and the Spirit was. Heaven was required only "in the beginning" where "the beginning" meant God revealing Himself in time and space.

Even the arrangements in heaven seen by the prophets and in Revelation are for our benefit. Through them God shows us His nature, character, and likeness and also those qualities for those who are in Christ.

When you are "all-powerful" then you have no need save for any need you create for yourself. Also, because you cannot lie, then you are restrained by the words you speak. In the case of God, He determined to be restrained by the thing that ultimately benefited us: love. That is why, in spite of all His eternal qualities, WE, who are human, can truthfully say "God is love". From a man's point of view, this short statement encompasses ALL who He is. He decided, not man, that He could be known by that singular attribute.
 

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Yeah, when all authority is given to you in heaven and in earth, really, what can prevent your dominion? :cool:

Consider that heaven was also created so it is not eternal. Before creation, God was, the Word was, and the Spirit was. Heaven was required only "in the beginning" where "the beginning" meant God revealing Himself in time and space.

Even the arrangements in heaven seen by the prophets and in Revelation are for our benefit. Through them God shows us His nature, character, and likeness and also those qualities for those who are in Christ.

When you are "all-powerful" then you have no need save for any need you create for yourself. Also, because you cannot lie, then you are restrained by the words you speak. In the case of God, He determined to be restrained by the thing that ultimately benefited us: love. That is why, in spite of all His eternal qualities, WE, who are human, can truthfully say "God is love". From a man's point of view, this short statement encompasses ALL who He is. He decided, not man, that He could be known by that singular attribute.
Even king David chimes in about this Dominion we are to have.


4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him?

5 For thou hast made him but little lower than God,
And crownest him with glory and honor.

6 Thou makest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands;
Thou hast put all things under his feet:
 

lrs68

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^

If we learned to live under this condition that Jesus re-established for us just imagine what could be accomplished on this earth.
 
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“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, (That’s who Jesus is )

justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

….So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So then

God was manifest in the flesh, (That’s who Jesus is not a different being but the same spiritual being in another form manifest in the flesh as a man on earth )

We should accept the son as the father because the son is God our creator manifest in the flesh of a man to beaming us and call us to repentance and belief in him

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after jesus died he returned to the glory he’s always had beforehand and after

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:4-5‬ ‭


“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭

“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We can’t physically see the father in heaven but we could physically see Jesus who is God manifest in the flesh , and by this onow and see the father in heaven who had come to dwell
Among his people in thier form and become thier high priest and intercessor

I think the question is Does it make God a different person because he is manifest in the flesh of a man ? Or is it the same God manifest in a visible form fulfilling a different role which man had failed ourselves to fulfill ? I personally believe Jesus is God who was born as one of us on earth in order to intercede and save his creation

That he is One God who was manifest to us in his Son jesus which is why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so important it’s the true understanding of our God so we can know him

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Thank you, the way, the truth and the new life for us in the risen Son to be able to now enter the throne of grace in our time of need (Me always) it is not a matter of sin anymore. Get that mindset and one will be kicking themselves out to not hear how to say no to any unrighteousness, to me at least
We=, by Son's does work on that cross, done once for all, has paved the way for us to now go to Father without viewing us as sinners anymore=!
What?
Yep, thank you Daddy, now I need to know how to evade sin, you will teach me please?
You know I will, my Son. One problem at a time, okay? Yes, I am a failure, then I will teach to you how to be at peace, with me and see new, being too busy to be a failure
Wow, Thank you. This can now be done because of the done work of Jesus first for us all to see
I only Love, because I am loved first by God through Son tha tias risen, where the new life from Daddy got given me to rest in. Been learning rest, what that is while in adversities.
I see it as Paul saw it, contentment in all things, whether it is good or bad, to be content, over those, trying to get him mad, making fun of him while in jail as he remained unmoved in joy to the Lord. Then there Jail help came to belief too over seeing. him not get mad over those that were not sincere in the risen Jesus.

Amazing God is all the time in God's mysterious ways amazing