Signs and wonders part 2

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Fundaamental

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Is it possible a Christians mind can become broken.

Does the adversary look to steal the fruits of the holy spirit' a Christian is blessed with, can a Christian be broken so much that the fruits of the spirit no longer work as they should on a temporary level or a Christian becomes weak in mind.

I can't think of a bigger insult to do than to strip a Christian of his gifts, or to steal there gift or to bring down there gift to mean absolutely nothing. This has to be coming From unclean spirits surely to steal rob and destroy.

isn't the fruits of the spirit the only defense mechanism a Christian has surely there defenceless without them and have no chance of being kept safe.

In the old t the holy spirit wasn't visiting soul no more because of his denial.

but that just isn't possible today because the fruits of the holy spirit is permanent in a believer.
it's the only defence that protects a Christians mind because that was the plan from the beginning.

The fruits of the spirit could not be given to a person permanently untill after Jesus went to the cross.

why would anybody want to bring down a persons gifts to mean nothing and to be worthless. Where on earth is that coming from why would anyone want to discount and discourage the fruits of the holy spirit,

isn't it the most important part of faith to understand like knowing that all Christians have a prophetic nature which are the attributes of Jesus Christ, which is to comfort and to correct for edification. Which is the most important factor of prophecy.

what is going on in this world when a discussion of the fruits of the holy spirit is debated with insults and Judgment, when the scripture says prophecy is not open for interpretation because it is from the holy spirit.


Does worship bring about healing where God kingdoms comes. How many people where healed in covid, this was a disease which could have wiped the whole world out, but it never.

why was that,

Was it because the whole world prayed and worshipped for once and healing and Gods kingdom came to earth because of that and healed billions of people.

thoughts please.
 

Fundaamental

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One though that occured to me is Christians war in the flesh too :)

Its funny how you don't think of everything at first but then I thought The Bible teaches we are to have the mind of Christ, but we can't think of everything like God can all at once.
I then wondered can God hold millions trillions and trillions of thoughts all at once.
Is this a sign God is thinking for me.
But then I wondered hows it possible for God to think a million thoughts all at once unless his mind is ever expanding like the universe.
But then I wondered this is amazing because time stands still for the father as time means nothing to him because his time is eternal.
Everything he thinks of is in an eternal sense so that means every thought he holds on to is one moment in time, that was in one moment in time forever.

Everything is forever with God so he's actually been drinking Dandelion an burdock forever. Even tho he's only Tasted it once he's still holds onto that taste forever and every other taste.

So if every thought he has is for ever and eternal just how big is his mind.

How can you Say that God is not a person surely he has a mind.

What is that mind is it the whole universe and each star is a living brain cell ? But God appears to you as something you recognise in person like a human.
 

Fundaamental

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So then I wondered if Gods mind is the whole universe and every single star is living brain cell,
We seem to be right in the middle which means that his church us is his very heart beat. Because where always expressing what he feals.

Which is very consistent amongst the prophetic word amongst every Christian I have met they always seem to say God would want you to do this or that.

Or people become creative and make something out of nothing.
Things just materialise out of no where it's truly amazing when wonders come your way.

I'm sure it's a sign I'm blessed with imagination and God is expressing it through me through his prophetic word to bring insight knowledge wisdom and a blessing we can truly worship all at once all bringing Glory to God.

I think of size of my mind and I know it's the size of pea.

I know theres humour in calling some one a pea brain but it's actually true that the mind is the size of a pea and the brain is useless without it, I'm told by God that the mind is a mustard kernel seed that gets blessed with light and it's this tiny little seed full of light that stays with God forever it just Goes to nearest light source just totally protected. By the heavenly lights of protection in the form of amythyst.

That make me feel a little insufficient to know that the eternal living part of me is just a small mustard seed.

But then I think I much smaller a butterfly's mind must be,

But then God says no when your light returns to me it's like feeling on top of the world and there is no insignificant when you realise you need me.
That my mind is far bigger which you are apart of and my very heart beat.

One day you'll drift to my nearest star of comfort.

Just truly amazing ☺️
This must be from God.
 

posthuman

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isn't the fruits of the spirit the only defense mechanism a Christian has surely there defenceless without them and have no chance of being kept safe.
nope.

in fact, fruits and gifts are practically useless as far as spiritual warfare goes.
Satan is not driven away by our gentleness or peace, and the power of sin is not broken by miracles or speaking in tongues or even wisdom.

love is greater than all those things but love doesn't dispel demons or preserve our souls.

But hello we have a SAVIOR!!!

Jesus Christ is our defense, our strong tower, our shield and armor, and our sword

concentrate on Him, not gifts. He will provide everything necessary for you to be His servant, and He is strong to save you.
 

wattie

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So then I wondered if Gods mind is the whole universe and every single star is living brain cell,
We seem to be right in the middle which means that his church us is his very heart beat. Because where always expressing what he feals.

Which is very consistent amongst the prophetic word amongst every Christian I have met they always seem to say God would want you to do this or that.

Or people become creative and make something out of nothing.
Things just materialise out of no where it's truly amazing when wonders come your way.

I'm sure it's a sign I'm blessed with imagination and God is expressing it through me through his prophetic word to bring insight knowledge wisdom and a blessing we can truly worship all at once all bringing Glory to God.

I think of size of my mind and I know it's the size of pea.

I know theres humour in calling some one a pea brain but it's actually true that the mind is the size of a pea and the brain is useless without it, I'm told by God that the mind is a mustard kernel seed that gets blessed with light and it's this tiny little seed full of light that stays with God forever it just Goes to nearest light source just totally protected. By the heavenly lights of protection in the form of amythyst.

That make me feel a little insufficient to know that the eternal living part of me is just a small mustard seed.

But then I think I much smaller a butterfly's mind must be,

But then God says no when your light returns to me it's like feeling on top of the world and there is no insignificant when you realise you need me.
That my mind is far bigger which you are apart of and my very heart beat.

One day you'll drift to my nearest star of comfort.

Just truly amazing ☺️
This must be from God.
There is a bit of a difference between gifts of the Holy Spirit and the fruits from being converted.

Gifts .. such as faith, hope and love..and ... The sign and ministry gifts..(I believe the sign and ministry gifts have been put away by God with the death of the apostles, completion of the canon and destruction of the temple)

Fruit ... Such as patience, kindness, self-control, brotherly kindness etc .

So, if you are saying other believers like me are denying the fruit of the Spirit.. that is not the case.

Usually cessationist will say the sign gifts have ceased and some will say also ministry gifts have ceased.

If this is the case of both types ceasing .. that still leaves faith, hope and love as gifts plus whatever is not part of sign and ministry gifts.

If it is just the sign gifts ceasing..that still leaves a lot of other gifts operating.

So.. this is centred just on prophecy with signs and wonders gifts in discussing this.

That isn't denying gifts completely and doesn't have anything to do with the fruits of the Spirit.
 

posthuman

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What is that mind is it the whole universe and each star is a living brain cell ? But God appears to you as something you recognise in person like a human
His mind is not made of physical material and the universe cannot possibly contain it.
all of creation is just one of His thoughts; it doesn't exist except that He remember it and observe it.
all things have their existence in Him.
 

Fundaamental

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I think what God is saying to me that you could realise how insignificant you are to my ways and mind, it's then you realise you need me more than ever it's then you get called to prophetic.

Where my words of knowledge flow through you like an open book and you become a messenger for me shielded as you deliver for the well being of your own state of wellbeing and others.

This truly makes me seek knock and find.
 

Magenta

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That make me feel a little insufficient to know that the eternal living part of me is just a small mustard seed.

Jesus' words in Matthew 17:20-21
Faith the size of a mustard seed moved the mountain of my unbelief .:)
 

Fundaamental

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There is a bit of a difference between gifts of the Holy Spirit and the fruits from being converted.

Gifts .. such as faith, hope and love..and ... The sign and ministry gifts..(I believe the sign and ministry gifts have been put away by God with the death of the apostles, completion of the canon and destruction of the temple)

Fruit ... Such as patience, kindness, self-control, brotherly kindness etc .

So, if you are saying other believers like me are denying the fruit of the Spirit.. that is not the case.

Usually cessationist will say the sign gifts have ceased and some will say also ministry gifts have ceased.

If this is the case of both types ceasing .. that still leaves faith, hope and love as gifts plus whatever is not part of sign and ministry gifts.

If it is just the sign gifts ceasing..that still leaves a lot of other gifts operating.

So.. this is centred just on prophecy with signs and wonders gifts in discussing this.

That isn't denying gifts completely and doesn't have anything to do with the fruits of the Spirit.
Yes it's no big deal anymore God has renewed my mind today on the matter of cessationists I'm prepared to just ignore it. I'm a firm believer there is no gifts unless the fruits are present, I'm also a firm believer that anyone of the gifts can come your way at anytime. As faithfulness being a fruit of the holy spirit, is also something God is faithful to reward those who dilengty seek him for what ever purpose.

Which they will when there blessed with fruits and I don't go by you will only reçieve a gift once.
I go by the gifts you reçieve depends upon what your praying for. When the gift comes it's gone befor you know it.
Some stay with you like increased faith but even that has come and gone. But knew knowledge comes and goes, sometimes you hold onto it other times not.
Healing comes and goes, but I find I'm good at counselling mental health well being. It comes and goes
Diserning the spirits it comes and goes.
Am Im not going to walk around diserning spirits all day, nope absolutely not apart from my own maybe.
The prophetic it comes and goes.
It really depends on what I'm praying for.
But the fruits of the spirit we are blessed with to discern all the opposites of what they are, like one fruit is kindness so your able immediately recognise if somebody is coming from a mean spirit. Diserning the spirits.
One of the fruits of the spirit is patience so your able to discern knowledge.
One of the fruits is faithfulness so your able to give healing in the form of being there for some one


So if a person is saying the gifts are not relevant there also discounting the fruits of the holy spirit. It that simple.

however should I let this bother me nope I would be disregarding forgiveness and the fact we war in the flesh too.
then I'm disregarding that once apon of time I had no increased faith.
 

Fundaamental

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His mind is not made of physical material and the universe cannot possibly contain it.
all of creation is just one of His thoughts; it doesn't exist except that He remember it and observe it.
all things have their existence in Him.
brother I'm not about to challenge a concept and philosophy. 😊
 

Fundaamental

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nope.

in fact, fruits and gifts are practically useless as far as spiritual warfare goes.
Satan is not driven away by our gentleness or peace, and the power of sin is not broken by miracles or speaking in tongues or even wisdom.

love is greater than all those things but love doesn't dispel demons or preserve our souls.

But hello we have a SAVIOR!!!

Jesus Christ is our defense, our strong tower, our shield and armor, and our sword

concentrate on Him, not gifts. He will provide everything necessary for you to be His servant, and He is strong to save you.
oh the holy spirit knows how to drive away satan, and disern him for me. Ahh alas total freedom with that one and something to truly worship God for.

Actually the attributes of Jesus are embedded in the fruits of the holy spirit.

So the fruits can drive away Satan in everyway as the holy spirit only comes to bring more Gifts so when the comforter goes your still left with fruits which can out shine any bad spirit 😊🤔😏🤩

The fruits of the spirit are the attributes of the holy spirit and Jesus and the father however you may see it differently.

Thats fine your welcome 😊