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Sin: What is it?
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Tintin
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Please, I've learned my lesson. I've hadn't with him. I need to learn to better discern trolls and the like.
Yeah i wasn't even baiting you....
BUT: Since no one can actually discuss the original topic and reading comprehension is incredibly low here, why not.
(It's either that or everyone is a damn Ostrich with their head in the sand not willing to tackle the bigger topics).
Porn existed before the concept of "god ordained marriage" and in societies without the hebrew god. >you are wrong
Homosexuality is a thing. It's not a lifestyle, it's a attraction to the same sex. It's in nature, it's in human nature, get over it. > You are wrong.
Sodomy is the act of anal sex. It's a perversion sure, but so are blowjobs and whatnot, so meh. > You are wrong?
As for me "being the troll", I'm not even baiting you. If your reading comprehension was decent you'd realize I was mentioning this topic as a "it relates to".
The law was not of God. It was given, administered and enforced by angels. The old dispensation was of the angels(and is why they were called the sons of God back then), though the prophets and people thought they were relating with God. The law itself was the manifestation of the curse of Adam, because of him choosing the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thus subjecting himself and his descendants to the curse(the law), until the coming of the messiah to fulfill(pay the debt) and abolish the law.
Ok are we reading the same bible?
God gave people the commandments. Directly at times, through an angel others. Still "from god" as a whole.
It was enforced by god as well.
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Love the curse stuff though.
Nothing like "paying for the sins of your father" fallacy.
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Tintin
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No, that's simply not biblical. The Law was created by God. Adam and Eve rebelled against God and his Law and the whole of creation was cursed.
All men are subject to the law(sin nature) whether or not they were hebrews. The hebrews were simply chosen to be the medium through which the messiah would come, so the full weight of the law would be "formally/legally" enforced and demonstrated through them, and making the messiah "legally" qualified to fulfill(pay the debt of) the law.
Homosexuality is not natural, rather it's the symptom of a flawed nature(sin nature). It is a deviation(disease) from the natural course. Your argument is like saying that congenital diseases are good(natural) because people are born that way(blind, deformed, malformed, down-syndrome, etc).
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There in lies the 7billion soul question: If they cannot know of the law, how can they be punished for it?
Homosexuality isn't natural because disease are not natural?
But...diseases are natural.
Seriously, take biology 101. That's just ridiculous that you don't know that.
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Tintin
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God-ordained marriage began in the first few days of creation. Lust followed Adam and Eve's Fall into sin. Porn came much, much later.
Homosexuality - I'm not biting.
Again, if you're a Christian, try to live as Christ says, not the world.
Oh yeah, the literal translation of Genesis.(even though it's full of holes).
Ok lets put it this way: Porn existed outside of Jewish Society with NO way for them to know it was a "sin".
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I'm not claiming porn is morally right(even though studies show blah blah blah), but to say it is wrong on the account that it's against god-ordained married sex?
I just kinda laugh. I mean morality is your friend here and you go with "it's wrong because it breaks a law that god laid down".
Even though you probably don't have all of god's memorized, you just pick and choose which one.
Which (and i'm not baiting, feel free to ignore, this i just my thoughts) for homosexuality it's the same thing. You're fine with breaking so many other laws, but god forbid if one man loves another!
Romans 2:12-15:
12For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them
Romans 3:9-10:
9What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
10as it is written,
“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
You may have taken biology, but you couldn't have passed the subject. How do you classify a disease as normal(purposed) biological functioning? A disease is a malfunction/disfunction. Homosexuality is a malfunction/disfunction. The inability to respond to normal sexual stimulus.
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2Thewaters
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The law was a shadow, misrepresenting the truth of God. Now that the truth has come, we cast aside the shadow.
Yes, the people who received the law believed they were relating with God and his truths, but we now know it was not so. Until the death and resurrection of Christ, no one knew the truth of God, though they all had doctrines and manifestations they believed to be that of the true God.
So paul says that God is unjust, punishing the unknowing? Nice.
It's not a "purposed" biological functioning, but it is part of our natural world.
Homosexuality is the attraction to the same sex species.
As much as you might want that "abnormality" of homosexuality to be bad, it isn't. It's part of what makes humanity great.
You are only interpreting it to be "bad" because of your own personal bias.
It's not a "purposed" biological functioning, but it is part of our natural world.
Homosexuality is the attraction to the same sex species.
As much as you might want that "abnormality" of homosexuality to be bad, it isn't. It's part of what makes humanity great.
You are only interpreting it to be "bad" because of your own personal bias.
The law came from god.(Though that guy is wrong, 10 commandments are only a fraction of the law).
How are you not getting this?
The law did not make those who adhered to it perfect, rather than it being a misrepresentation.
It is the believer's pedagogue, leading him or her to Christ (Galatians 3.24).
Yet again the logic isn't there.
Sin is undefined without the law, and the people who already believed(the jews) had no big update with Jesus since they already believed in God.
Well, you can argue that God gave the laws, since he allowed them(remember I said before: It was the old dispensation). But the point is that the laws as were received by man were not a true representation of God's truth. They were shadows and misleading. They were translated and handed to us by angles who themselves had no understanding of the truth. Nobody had knowledge of the truth of God until Jesus Christ's death and resurrection.
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Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags .
Romans 3:10-12
...There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
If sin separates us from God and condemns us to death, how do we get free from its curse? Fortunately, God provided a solution through his Son, JESUS CHRIST.
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags .
Romans 3:10-12
...There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
If sin separates us from God and condemns us to death, how do we get free from its curse? Fortunately, God provided a solution through his Son, JESUS CHRIST.
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Tintin
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I never said that homosexuality is the only sin. I'm not cool with lust, fornication, adultery, lying, gossip, pride, stealing, homosexuality, abortion, greed, idols -any of that. I have my struggles, you have yours. That's why we need Christ.
Also, porn is very destructive. You'd have to be an idiot to not realise that (studies or no) and studies do show it causes great damage to the human brain.
Morality is defined by God and His Laws, so I don't see the problem here.
Finally, while education means little if one doesn't have wisdom, I encourage critical thinking, I love to question and I read widely - both books that I agree with and those I don't. I think through my beliefs, I don't just accept them. I know why I believe what I do and I question the majority belief if it's against God's Word eg. evolution and uniformitarianism.
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