"Sinning Religion".

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"Sinning religion is the belief that Christians cannot avoid sin, that in fact, every Christian sins' in thought, word, and deed' every day. This pessimism concerning the possibilities of the Christian life is very pervasive and widespread, among Lutherans, Reformed, and even some Arminians. Not all would express themselves as crassly or extremely, but they share one thing in common- a doubt concerning the adequacy of grace to save from sinning in the practical wear and tear of everyday life.

The sinning religion complex is rooted not only in an inadequate doctrine of grace, and a radically erroneous doctrine of the Atonement, but also in a faulty doctrine of sin. That the man out of grace is a mass of corruption is undeniable, but that he remains such as a Christian makes mockery of the saving power of Christ and insults the sanctifying efficacy of the Holy Spirit's influences. But this affront to the power of grace is due in part to (1) the hangover of Augustinism's attachment of sinfulness in the physical body, and (2) the notion that sin is to be defined by the letter of the law rather than by the spirit. Those who cannot see the moral difference between sins and mistakes, or between the disease of sin and its scars, or between a carnal disposition and human infirmities, will of course have no place for any true freedom from sin.

The conclusion is that for Christians to talk about continual or even frequent sinning is no credit to them, and certainly a dishonor to their Lord. Only one biblical advice is to be given to sinners: Stop it!
From Beacon Dictionary of Theology.
 
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Appropriate Scriptures:

'Should we continue in sin in order that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin go on living in it?' Rom 6:1,2.

'We know that our old self was crucified with Him, so that the body of sin might be destroyed, that we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For whoever has died is freed from sin' Rom 6:6,7.

"So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ' Rom 6:11.

'Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, making holiness perfect in the fear of God'. 2 Cor 7:1.

'And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.' Gal 5:25.

'No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has either seen Him or known Him.' 1 Jn 3:6.

Everyone one who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the devil has been sinning from the beginning.' 1 Jn 3:8.

'Those who have been born of God do not sin, because God's seed abides in them; they cannot sin, because they have been born of God.' 1 Jn 3:9.

'We know that those who are born of God do not sin, but the one who was born of God protects them, and the evil one does not touch them.' 1 Jn 5:18.
 
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The sinning religion complex is rooted not only in an inadequate doctrine of grace, and a radically erroneous doctrine of the Atonement,

I totally reject this message.. The Atonement of The LORD Jesus is Central to the Gospel and anyone who rejects it has rejected the Gospel of the LORD Jesus and is not saved..

Also everyone continues to sin in their lives, Christian or not.. This is why Paul announced this saying that should be acceptable for all Christians to repeat::

1 Timothy 1:15
(1 Timothy 1:15) "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

Not I was formerly Chief as in the past.. Paul was making it clear he was still a sinner at the time of writing this scripture.. Anyone who wishes to push the doctrine that Christians are without sin in a Liar and the truth is not in them..

1 John 1:8
(1 John 1:8) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
 
I totally reject this message.. The Atonement of The LORD Jesus is Central to the Gospel and anyone who rejects it has rejected the Gospel of the LORD Jesus and is not saved..

Also everyone continues to sin in their lives, Christian or not.. This is why Paul announced this saying that should be acceptable for all Christians to repeat::

1 Timothy 1:15
(1 Timothy 1:15) "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

Not I was formerly Chief as in the past.. Paul was making it clear he was still a sinner at the time of writing this scripture.. Anyone who wishes to push the doctrine that Christians are without sin in a Liar and the truth is not in them..

1 John 1:8
(1 John 1:8) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
With respect, I'm not sure what the differences are. Almost every Christian I know, especially me, struggle with grace. We sometimes understand it intellectually, but still return to the false feelings that it can't possibly cover me! I don't think this is sin but the working of the Holy Spirit within us.

As for atonement, there are some who falsely believe acts of atonement bring salvation, true enough. I read that in the OP. But acts of righteousness given to glorify God from deep love and gratitude appear nearly universal following redemption. Without those acts we may be saved, but cannot glorify God.

Finally, acknowledging our sins, even after salvation, is central to Christs message. "Forgive us our sins" was a prayer given to His disciples. If you are saying we should not be overly preoccupied with our sins, then I agree and probably miss-understand that part of your message.

The two messages appear the same to me.
 
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"Sinning religion is the belief that Christians cannot avoid sin, that in fact, every Christian sins' in thought, word, and deed' every day. This pessimism concerning the possibilities of the Christian life is very pervasive and widespread, among Lutherans, Reformed, and even some Arminians. Not all would express themselves as crassly or extremely, but they share one thing in common- a doubt concerning the adequacy of grace to save from sinning in the practical wear and tear of everyday life.

The sinning religion complex is rooted not only in an inadequate doctrine of grace, and a radically erroneous doctrine of the Atonement, but also in a faulty doctrine of sin. That the man out of grace is a mass of corruption is undeniable, but that he remains such as a Christian makes mockery of the saving power of Christ and insults the sanctifying efficacy of the Holy Spirit's influences. But this affront to the power of grace is due in part to (1) the hangover of Augustinism's attachment of sinfulness in the physical body, and (2) the notion that sin is to be defined by the letter of the law rather than by the spirit. Those who cannot see the moral difference between sins and mistakes, or between the disease of sin and its scars, or between a carnal disposition and human infirmities, will of course have no place for any true freedom from sin.

The conclusion is that for Christians to talk about continual or even frequent sinning is no credit to them, and certainly a dishonor to their Lord. Only one biblical advice is to be given to sinners: Stop it!
From Beacon Dictionary of Theology.
you read & studied too much. this is a case of "paralysis by analysis". there's no doubt in the adequacy of grace. we are saved by grace. there's nothing in the Bible that says grace will save us from sinning. i don't know of any religion like you describe. a Christian will sin whether it's a curse word, name calling or whatever but we have an advocate, the comforter & teacher in the Holy Spirit to call us out of it, warn us & prompt us in the right direction which is forsaking sin as best as we can. it's lifelong process, improving always. Proverbs 28:13- "he that covereth his sin shall not prosper but whoso confesseth them & forsaketh them, shall have mercy".
 
I do sometimes wonder if we all have the same definition of sin and if we all understand it in the same way . Most non Christians probably think that it refers to murder , rape , stealing , acts of violence and deception , which of course it does . But sin is a very big blanket and it also means any and everything that goes against what God would have u do , I believe this includes sins of omission also .
So , the next time u walk past that homeless person and don't take them home with u , don't give them a bath and a change of clothing , don't feed them and give them your bed.......
The next time u look at someone and judge them on what they r or r not wearing , even if that thought is only in your head for a second.......
The next time your mum or dad really gets on your nerves and u wish they would shut up for five minutes.....
The next time u look at someone of the opposite gender and admire them physically when u r already married.....
The next time u look at your bank statement with satisfaction because u have more than u need.......
The next time u cross the street so that u don't have to talk to someone who for some reason u think is inferior to u.......
The next time u hear someone saying something derogatory about someone else and u know for sure that what they r saying isn't true but , u say nothing.......
The next time u r given too much change in a shop but u don't give it back to the cashier.......
The next time u put yourself and your needs / desires before someone else's.......
The next time u forget to say ' thank you ' or ' sorry ' .......
The next time u book a holiday and spend all that money on something that is not an essential thing.......
The next time u buy yourself or someone else jewellery or any luxury item.......
I could go on and on and on .
 
I do sometimes wonder if we all have the same definition of sin and if we all understand it in the same way . Most non Christians probably think that it refers to murder , rape , stealing , acts of violence and deception , which of course it does . But sin is a very big blanket and it also means any and everything that goes against what God would have u do , I believe this includes sins of omission also .
So , the next time u walk past that homeless person and don't take them home with u , don't give them a bath and a change of clothing , don't feed them and give them your bed.......
The next time u look at someone and judge them on what they r or r not wearing , even if that thought is only in your head for a second.......
The next time your mum or dad really gets on your nerves and u wish they would shut up for five minutes.....
The next time u look at someone of the opposite gender and admire them physically when u r already married.....
The next time u look at your bank statement with satisfaction because u have more than u need.......
The next time u cross the street so that u don't have to talk to someone who for some reason u think is inferior to u.......
The next time u hear someone saying something derogatory about someone else and u know for sure that what they r saying isn't true but , u say nothing.......
The next time u r given too much change in a shop but u don't give it back to the cashier.......
The next time u put yourself and your needs / desires before someone else's.......
The next time u forget to say ' thank you ' or ' sorry ' .......
The next time u book a holiday and spend all that money on something that is not an essential thing.......
The next time u buy yourself or someone else jewellery or any luxury item.......
I could go on and on and on .
Your post reminded me of one of my favorite poems, THE SIN OF OMMISSION by Margaret Sangster. In Part:

“It isn’t the things you do;
It’s the things you leave undone,
Which give you a bit of heartache
At the setting of the sun.

The tender word forgotten,
The letter you did not write,
The flower you might have sent,
Are your haunting ghosts at night.”
 
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I have noticed that none of you have responded to the Scriptures I posted.
How can you justify your sinfulness in the light of these verses?
All that you have posted is contradicted by those verses.

It's time to give up your sinning and your dishonoring the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
I totally reject this message.. The Atonement of The LORD Jesus is Central to the Gospel and anyone who rejects it has rejected the Gospel of the LORD Jesus and is not saved..

Also everyone continues to sin in their lives, Christian or not.. This is why Paul announced this saying that should be acceptable for all Christians to repeat::

1 Timothy 1:15
(1 Timothy 1:15) "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

Not I was formerly Chief as in the past.. Paul was making it clear he was still a sinner at the time of writing this scripture.. Anyone who wishes to push the doctrine that Christians are without sin in a Liar and the truth is not in them..

1 John 1:8
(1 John 1:8) "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
If you take the time to read the context, 1 Tim 1:13,14, Paul was referring to his past sinful ways, not his present status.

You have taken 1 Jn 1:8 out of its context to mean something that John did not intend.
 
I do sometimes wonder if we all have the same definition of sin and if we all understand it in the same way . Most non Christians probably think that it refers to murder , rape , stealing , acts of violence and deception , which of course it does . But sin is a very big blanket and it also means any and everything that goes against what God would have u do , I believe this includes sins of omission also .
So , the next time u walk past that homeless person and don't take them home with u , don't give them a bath and a change of clothing , don't feed them and give them your bed.......
The next time u look at someone and judge them on what they r or r not wearing , even if that thought is only in your head for a second.......
The next time your mum or dad really gets on your nerves and u wish they would shut up for five minutes.....
The next time u look at someone of the opposite gender and admire them physically when u r already married.....
The next time u look at your bank statement with satisfaction because u have more than u need.......
The next time u cross the street so that u don't have to talk to someone who for some reason u think is inferior to u.......
The next time u hear someone saying something derogatory about someone else and u know for sure that what they r saying isn't true but , u say nothing.......
The next time u r given too much change in a shop but u don't give it back to the cashier.......
The next time u put yourself and your needs / desires before someone else's.......
The next time u forget to say ' thank you ' or ' sorry ' .......
The next time u book a holiday and spend all that money on something that is not an essential thing.......
The next time u buy yourself or someone else jewellery or any luxury item.......
I could go on and on and on .
behoovingly informative! nice post suze!
 
I do sometimes wonder if we all have the same definition of sin and if we all understand it in the same way . Most non Christians probably think that it refers to murder , rape , stealing , acts of violence and deception , which of course it does . But sin is a very big blanket and it also means any and everything that goes against what God would have u do , I believe this includes sins of omission also .
So , the next time u walk past that homeless person and don't take them home with u , don't give them a bath and a change of clothing , don't feed them and give them your bed.......
The next time u look at someone and judge them on what they r or r not wearing , even if that thought is only in your head for a second.......
The next time your mum or dad really gets on your nerves and u wish they would shut up for five minutes.....
The next time u look at someone of the opposite gender and admire them physically when u r already married.....
The next time u look at your bank statement with satisfaction because u have more than u need.......
The next time u cross the street so that u don't have to talk to someone who for some reason u think is inferior to u.......
The next time u hear someone saying something derogatory about someone else and u know for sure that what they r saying isn't true but , u say nothing.......
The next time u r given too much change in a shop but u don't give it back to the cashier.......
The next time u put yourself and your needs / desires before someone else's.......
The next time u forget to say ' thank you ' or ' sorry ' .......
The next time u book a holiday and spend all that money on something that is not an essential thing.......
The next time u buy yourself or someone else jewellery or any luxury item.......
I could go on and on and on .
Hi Suze,
You are right, we do not all have the same definition for sin, hence the confusion.
Sin is twofold, a transgression against God's law and secondly, an inner pollution or depravity.

In regard to the first, I like John Wesley's definition of sin, 'a voluntary transgression against a known law of God'.
The question that needs asking as a believer, is voluntarily transgressing God's known law a necessity or a choice?
If, a choice, can then the grace of God keep me from making the wrong choice?
If, I can be kept from making the wrong choice for a minute, why not an hour, why not a day, why not a month?
I ask you, and others to ponder on these things.
 
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I have noticed that none of you have responded to the Scriptures I posted.
How can you justify your sinfulness in the light of these verses?
All that you have posted is contradicted by those verses.

It's time to give up your sinning and your dishonoring the Lord Jesus Christ.


have you given up on sinning?

you never sin?
 
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I don't knowingly, transgress the known law of God.

so, if it a mistake, it does not count...

i am afraid that does not make a sin not be a sin.

James said " to him who knows to do good and does not do so, to him it is sin".

keep that in mind.
 
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so, if it a mistake, it does not count...

i am afraid that does not make a sin not be a sin.

James said " to him who knows to do good and does not do so, to him it is sin".

keep that in mind.
A mistake is not necessarily a sin, as it is not a transgression of the law of God.
Your quote from James is certainly sin.
 
A mistake is not necessarily a sin, as it is not a transgression of the law of God.
Your quote from James is certainly sin.

what is the Law of God to you?

is the Ten Commandments?

is the whole Torah?

would really like to know..
 
what is the Law of God to you?

is the Ten Commandments?

is the whole Torah?

would really like to know..
'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matt 22:37-40 NRSV.
 
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To commit sin is a failure to love, either God or neighbor, or both. The essence of holiness is God's love reigning in our hearts and lives.
The moral law of God is love towards God and neighbor, that law is written within our hearts.