I took being in the heaven realm to be his way of describing praying with faith. Jesus said 'and all things ye ask in prayer believing ye shall receive.' James says for the one who doubts not to think that he shall receive anything of the Lord.
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I took being in the heaven realm to be his way of describing praying with faith. Jesus said 'and all things ye ask in prayer believing ye shall receive.' James says for the one who doubts not to think that he shall receive anything of the Lord.
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tdrew777
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The bible tells us to pray in the spirit. It would seem that he meant one term and used the other.
no question about what i believe greybeard
i'm consistent.
REFORMED
5 SOLAS
AMILLENNIAL
CESSATIONIST
I seek to go with scripture rather than a list like that, especially not with a couple on the list. Yuck.
Agreed, these things do not save. But I wonder........ when Jesus did this, & He did all the time, I wonder what people would've called that "movement"?
In both instances we see the same results. What Jesus did was real, & ordered by God. But still had the same results. This plainly shows that the last day results of the Pentecostal Movement should NOT be an indicator of illegitimacy, since it wasn't for Jesus Himself.
What was wrong with Jesus's "movement"? The people were attracted by the glamour in His day, & were happy to be healed also. He attracted bigger crowds of the same kind of people. Weeks later, He was condemned to die by some of the same people! They "fell away" much quicker with Him than they are now. It's all in The Book.
Mind you, I'm not talking about the modern day Pentecostals like some stereotype the whole movement with (TV preachers, Vineyard movement, Word of Faith, etc., etc.), I'm speaking about the original movement of the early 1900's. Back when they glorified the Lord & praised Him in prophetic utterances just like they did on the Day of Pentecost.
People should be careful when judging all those old movements for what happened years afterward. Note the Scripture:
Acts 20:26-31 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Paul prophesied what would happen to his "movement". Throughout church history, what Paul states here has happened to every single one!
Why is there so much negative publicity about the Pentecostal Movement & the Charismatic Movement? Simple, when you take time to think about it:
1. We're in the last days, only a stonesthrow from the Antichrist. The Falling Away has begun.
2. These 2 movements happened just before the falling away...... they will look worse because we're looking at them in our lifetime as well as going into the falling away. We didn't see the others.
3. These are the last 2 "movements"....no others will come behind them. It is just that close to being over.
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Hoffco
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Sorry Zone, but your faith sounds very dead, like Deism, God is aqlive and well on plant earth . Smith sound like the real thing to me. I will hear more from Him. Love to all, Hoffco
no question about what i believe greybeard
i'm consistent.
REFORMED
5 SOLAS
AMILLENNIAL
CESSATIONIST
And you just sinned by not respecting the OPs wishes..
repent
And for me
Col 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
and hey your purdy too,
Well if he's blatently lying, we now know what she's not, LOL! Hee Hee Hee!
(I couldn't help myself, lol!)
Originally Posted by Kerry
and hey your purdy too,
Well if he's blatently lying, we now know what she's not, LOL! Hee Hee Hee!
(I couldn't help myself, lol!)
is that the best you can do? cheap.
but, you play the hand you have i reckon.
let's talk about your direct revelation and words from God and prophecies and tongues and stuff
let's talk about the origins of the pentecostal movement.
k?
the OP is no longer with us.
this thread is ancient.
i didn't revive it....someone else did....with a new angle.
Re: Smith Wigglesworth?
but...no problem.
i'll start a new thread.
good call.
hi hoff....enjoy the thread.
i'm starting a new one on Re: Smith Wigglesworth.
we'll see if he held to the faith delivered once for all.
and you, maybe.
you don't have to.
just post some verifiable links to these claims you're affirming.
you don't have to do any justifying. i'll check it out myself.
we're commanded to.
still don't agree with the Word of God that tongues were known languages, huh?
don't know why.
just read Acts 2.
Sure it's cheap....I played on your words like you do ours every day. No big, right?is that the best you can do? cheap.
but, you play the hand you have i reckon.
let's talk about your direct revelation and words from God and prophecies and tongues and stuff
let's talk about the origins of the pentecostal movement.
k?
Agreed, these things do not save. But I wonder........ when Jesus did this, & He did all the time, I wonder what people would've called that "movement"?
In both instances we see the same results. What Jesus did was real, & ordered by God. But still had the same results. This plainly shows that the last day results of the Pentecostal Movement should NOT be an indicator of illegitimacy, since it wasn't for Jesus Himself.
What was wrong with Jesus's "movement"? The people were attracted by the glamour in His day, & were happy to be healed also. He attracted bigger crowds of the same kind of people. Weeks later, He was condemned to die by some of the same people! They "fell away" much quicker with Him than they are now. It's all in The Book.
Mind you, I'm not talking about the modern day Pentecostals like some stereotype the whole movement with (TV preachers, Vineyard movement, Word of Faith, etc., etc.), I'm speaking about the original movement of the early 1900's. Back when they glorified the Lord & praised Him in prophetic utterances just like they did on the Day of Pentecost.
People should be careful when judging all those old movements for what happened years afterward. Note the Scripture:
Acts 20:26-31 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Paul prophesied what would happen to his "movement". Throughout church history, what Paul states here has happened to every single one!
Why is there so much negative publicity about the Pentecostal Movement & the Charismatic Movement? Simple, when you take time to think about it:
1. We're in the last days, only a stonesthrow from the Antichrist. The Falling Away has begun.
2. These 2 movements happened just before the falling away...... they will look worse because we're looking at them in our lifetime as well as going into the falling away. We didn't see the others.
3. These are the last 2 "movements"....no others will come behind them. It is just that close to being over.
now you're prophesying?
and....like....the animonisty toward the unbiblical pentecostal and charismatic movements is the falling away?
did i read that right?
or they are the falling away from "the original movement of the early 1900's"?
LOLOL!
Paul prophesied of the Pentecostal Movement?
doubt....it
Jesus did though:
Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you
anyways.....time for another thread on "the original movement of the early 1900's"
oh steve.
it'll be okay.
let's get down to business.
"the original movement of the early 1900's" < thread coming.
tell us all about it.
There's hundred, if not thousands of links on the internet on both sides of the subject. What "verifies" them? Let me guess....... you decide whether it is or not.... yours is..... & ours isn't. Now that we've established how you do it, why bother?
Agreed, these things do not save. But I wonder........ when Jesus did this, & He did all the time, I wonder what people would've called that "movement"?
In both instances we see the same results. What Jesus did was real, & ordered by God. But still had the same results. This plainly shows that the last day results of the Pentecostal Movement should NOT be an indicator of illegitimacy, since it wasn't for Jesus Himself.
What was wrong with Jesus's "movement"? The people were attracted by the glamour in His day, & were happy to be healed also. He attracted bigger crowds of the same kind of people. Weeks later, He was condemned to die by some of the same people! They "fell away" much quicker with Him than they are now. It's all in The Book.
Mind you, I'm not talking about the modern day Pentecostals like some stereotype the whole movement with (TV preachers, Vineyard movement, Word of Faith, etc., etc.), I'm speaking about the original movement of the early 1900's. Back when they glorified the Lord & praised Him in prophetic utterances just like they did on the Day of Pentecost.
People should be careful when judging all those old movements for what happened years afterward. Note the Scripture:
Acts 20:26-31 (KJV) [SUP]26 [/SUP]Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
Paul prophesied what would happen to his "movement". Throughout church history, what Paul states here has happened to every single one!
Why is there so much negative publicity about the Pentecostal Movement & the Charismatic Movement? Simple, when you take time to think about it:
1. We're in the last days, only a stonesthrow from the Antichrist. The Falling Away has begun.
2. These 2 movements happened just before the falling away...... they will look worse because we're looking at them in our lifetime as well as going into the falling away. We didn't see the others.
3. These are the last 2 "movements"....no others will come behind them. It is just that close to being over.
Again the question that is rarely answered is it truly from the Lord or not? And if it is truly from the Lord why does so much error come out of that movement? Why is it that if the gifts did continue why so much a lack of discernment? How is it that the Benny Hinns,Perry Stone et al are in the Charismatic movement? And why is this rarely dealt with? Why is it that they are most often backed by those within the Charismatic movement?
And I do have running around to do today.
stephen, if you were told by someone you didn't know, that you had a potentially fatal disease, would you attempt to verify it before undergoing harmful expensive treatment?
would you ask for PROFESSIONAL medical confirmation of this disease?
if you were told by someone you didn't know, that you had won 50 million dollars and it was in a bank in Geneva, would you attempt to verify it before you flew over?
would you contact the BANK MANAGER in Geneva to see if there was money there for you?
i'm not interested in anecdotal stories.
all i asked for was a Medical Examiner's report saying someone who was actually DEAD was raised from ABSOLUTE DEATH.
some kind of evidence that somebody grew A LEG.
all your artful dodging just proves that you got nuthin'.
don't hang that on me, bud.