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Because babies did not commit any sin by born…otherwise you are saying it would be a sin to have children…
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Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me. Psalm 51:5
I disagree.. Sin comes when one attains the knowledge of good and evil.. people live for a time without this knowledge..
(Romans 7:8-10) "But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. {9} For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. {10} And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death."
Paul wrote He was alive without the Law once,,, When did the commandments come? Where they not in existence long before He was born? But again Paul was alive once without the Law.. But when did the law Bring death to Paul? When he passed the age of innocents and the knowledge of Good and evil entered into is conscience..
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Could we apply Jeremiah 18:7-8 for the chance for them to repent and Genesis 15:16 (because they did not) to the Moabites, Canaanites, Amalekites, etc etc?
Pretty much the entire Bible, which always teaches GRFS for adults beginning with A&E and culminating with JN 3:5&16 and ACTS 16:31.
Just for consideration: John 3:18 says those who do not believe are already under condemnation. Do you believe anyone is born believing? Until someone does believe, are they under the wrath of God as Ephesians 2:3 suggests?
I also think it's an act of love- specifically an act of love toward the saints to separate them from the presence of sin forever.
That can be argued and I have no problem with that. My only point is that every action of God is not an exhibition of love towards all.
I believe the verse you are giving along with others are directed at people who are mature enough to accept or reject the WORD of God.. The Word is directed to people who Need the Message.. People who have the knowledge of good and evil..
You can't isolate v.8-10. The whole rest of the chapter explains that the law exposes the sin that is already there. The sin is "dead" beforehand because it doesn't compel you to act in a way that is contrary to your desires- until you learn the law and desire to keep it in order to be holy like you are supposed to be; then the sinful flesh overpowers the desire to keep the law- so then you see that you are really 'dead' and sin is living in your place. Simply not having faith is sin enough to condemn us all from the start.
If your doctrine where true then you would resist sin without failure each and every day.. You would never sin and you would never fail to do the Good things the LORD told you to do.. Remember failing to do the good deeds is sin.. Of course you and i am everyone else taking part in this thread will sin today and will sin tomorrow.. So the doctrine you are preaching above will see to it that you condemned because as you judge so shall you be judged..
I appreciate your response.
What I'm trying to understand is at what point do these various things the Bible speaks of take place for an individual. So for example, John 3:18 states that those in unbelief are under condemnation. Since no one is born believing, why aren't little one's subject to this condemnation? In Ephesians, those before salvation are spoken of as dead in trespasses and sins. If they aren't spiritually dead at birth, when then? If you are a parent, you will know that children lie and disobey very young. Or was Adam's sin already attributed to them? If not, how can infants die having never sinned? Further, if children are not under condemnation at birth, doesn't there exist situation where some in unbelief are not under condemnation?
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Little ones aren’t subject to condemnation because they committed no sin at birth. I have never known a baby, toddler, or a little child who has not reached the knowledge of knowing what is good and evil (Deut. 1:39) to willingly commit a work of the flesh (Gal. 5:19-21). If babies are sinners, do they become sinners the very first second they come into this world? The first 5 seconds? Sin is a transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). What sin at birth did a baby knowingly commit?
What sin did a baby commit in the following passages? 1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, and Rev. 21:8.
The scriptures teach that sin is committed (Jms 2:9, 1 John 5:16). Not inherited. Sin is a transgression of the law (1 Jhn 3:4). An infant did nothing to transgress the law by being born, nor did it commit any sin by being born.
If we are automatically born sinners due to Adam, then is Adam’s sin greater than the righteous act of Christ, which would automatically give babies eternal life?
Something to think about.
What sin did a baby commit in the following passages? 1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, and Rev. 21:8.
The scriptures teach that sin is committed (Jms 2:9, 1 John 5:16). Not inherited. Sin is a transgression of the law (1 Jhn 3:4). An infant did nothing to transgress the law by being born, nor did it commit any sin by being born.
If we are automatically born sinners due to Adam, then is Adam’s sin greater than the righteous act of Christ, which would automatically give babies eternal life?
Something to think about.
Look at the history of each Nation. They completely rejected God and represented a type of Sin.