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This might be frustrating for some who have already answered me before, or it might just be frustrating for some. Jesus was resurrected, right? That means He was dead and then came back to life, right? If He was resurrected, was He resurrected by the Father and the Holy Spirit? Did He also resurrect Himself? (it might not be right to put it that way)

(Still kind of struggling with God. God is one God who is three Persons, right? The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit? One God, but three Persons?)
 
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This might be frustrating for some who have already answered me before, or it might just be frustrating for some. Jesus was resurrected, right? That means He was dead and then came back to life, right? If He was resurrected, was He resurrected by the Father and the Holy Spirit? Did He also resurrect Himself? (it might not be right to put it that way)

(Still kind of struggling with God. God is one God who is three Persons, right? The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit? One God, but three Persons?)
Or one God that is three Persons?
 
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One God that is three different Persons? (the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit?)
 
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One God that is three different Persons? (the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit?)
It’s my understanding that a (person) is a human being regarded as a individual
 

blue_ladybug

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Or one God that is three Persons?
They are all one and the same. :)

Yes, Jesus was dead and was resurrected. Yes, God resurrected Him. As for Jesus resurrecting himself, well He could have, since He is God. :)
 

Roughsoul1991

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This might be frustrating for some who have already answered me before, or it might just be frustrating for some. Jesus was resurrected, right? That means He was dead and then came back to life, right? If He was resurrected, was He resurrected by the Father and the Holy Spirit? Did He also resurrect Himself? (it might not be right to put it that way)

(Still kind of struggling with God. God is one God who is three Persons, right? The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit? One God, but three Persons?)
Every theologian has had to ponder the workings of God. In the book of Job, the last 2 chapters is literally God questioning Job about topics even today we dont understand.

We can wrap our minds around the trinity a million times and still not understand the possibilities but that is God. Beyond our understanding and all things are possible. We are told of the trinitarian God throughout scripture but scripture doesn't describe how it works.

We just know. As all the questions for how we can only speculate from what we are given in scripture.

You and I live in a three-dimensional world. All physical objects have a certain height, width, and depth. One person can look like someone else, or behave like someone else, or even sound like someone else. But a person cannot actually be the same as another person. They are distinct individuals.

God, however, lives without the limitations of a three-dimensional universe. He is spirit. And he is infinitely more complex than we are.

That is why Jesus the Son can be different from the Father. And, yet the same.

The Bible clearly speaks of: God the Son, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. But emphasizes that there is only ONE God.

If we were to use math, it would not be, 1+1+1=3. It would be 1x1x1=1. God is a triune God.

“All three Persons in the Trinity have relational names. The First Person in the Trinity is called Father. You cannot be called The Father unless you have a child. And the same goes for the Second Person in the Trinity. You cannot be called The Son unless you have a Father. The Third Person in the Trinity is called both The Spirit of The Father (Matt 10:20) and the Spirit of The Son (Gal 4:4-6).”

https://www.everystudent.com/forum/trinity.html
 

BenFTW

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John 10:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Yet also we see in scripture....

Romans 8:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Ephesians 1:17-20 King James Version (KJV)
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Here we see the Father being accredited with the resurrection of Jesus.


Acts 2:24 King James Version
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

It is very possible that God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) played a part in the resurrection, but very clearly is it stated in numerous (in the majority of) verses that the Father raised Him.

Acts 5:30-32 King James Version (KJV)

30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him
 

bluto

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This might be frustrating for some who have already answered me before, or it might just be frustrating for some. Jesus was resurrected, right? That means He was dead and then came back to life, right? If He was resurrected, was He resurrected by the Father and the Holy Spirit? Did He also resurrect Himself? (it might not be right to put it that way)

(Still kind of struggling with God. God is one God who is three Persons, right? The Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit? One God, but three Persons?)
Maybe this will help you out. Look at the Trinity this way, we all know the Bible teaches that there is only one God. John 10:30 says the following literally in the Greek, "I and My Father We are one." The context of what Jesus is saying is that Him and His Father are one in nature or essence.

The argument brought out by those who deny the deity of Jesus Christ is that the verse is teaching that Jesus and the Father are one in purpose. This is a "given." In other words, of course their one in purpose, but that is not the point of John 10:30.

Look at John 10:31, "The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Why? It was NOT because they are one in purpose. Vs32m "Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"

Vs33, "The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You being a man, make Yourself out God." So the Jews new and understood what Jesus was claiming. In fact, (and this is really interesting?) Jesus Himself is His own commentary because He's the one that brings up the subject of "gods" by quoting Psalm 82:6. So this means the context is "NOT" about being one in purpose.

Now, to address your specific question. Look at it this way. You and every other human being that's ever lived and will be born have one thing in common? Our nature is that of "human." Our nature is what separates from all that is not human. God's nature separates Him from all that is not God. God chose to manifest Himself (and the Bible teaches this as three "DISTINCT" persons. NOT separate persons and NOT different persons, distinct persons.

Just like you share the same nature as every other human you are a "distinct" person from all other humans. You are not the person of your father or mother, you are your own person. It's the same thing with God. So, you asked who resurrected Jesus Christ, God! Romans 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him/God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you. He/The Father who raised Chris t Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit/The Holy Spirit who indwelss you."

Now look at John 2:19, "Jesus answered and said to them/the Jews, "Destroy this temple and in three days I WILL RAISE IT UP." The Apostle John says at John 2:21, "But He was speaking OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY." So we have all three members of the Trinity or the Godhead raising Jesus from the dead. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have.

IN GOD THE SON,
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Because of not fluent in English , so pardon me if i copy paste something that i wrote years ago and maybe there are many mistakes in grammar .


God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

Before we dig profoundly the topic above, we need to know first that; The realm in which we live is a temporal realm, it means that this realm has a period of its existence at a time when it is surpassed that it must no longer exist in its place.

Almighty God is an immortal being unlimited by the dimension of space and time, and He is also the alpha and omega, meaning that even if the earth we live in has been over God still remains.

If the earth we live in is a temporary realm, then the creatures that exist on this earth are also temporary (only when this temporal existence exists), if God is eternal then the man He created living on this earth also is not for His ultimate purpose but only for a while wandering or sojourning then surely move to the eternal world (where God is), But how could this temporal being be in eternal realm that is not bounded by space and time limitation?, surely they not fit to live in this eternal realm?. The conclusion is the spirit of man that will come eternally and this human spirit surely is not a natural product of this perishable realm , means that the human spirit must be the eternal realm product which was placed by God to exist in the physical body of man to temporarily wander / sojourn in This perishable earth for a particular purpose of God which had been planned since before this perishable world was formed.

Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.



Ecc12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it



Jer1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations



Then what is His particular purpose for His people while sojourning this perishable earth?

If we learn from the Bible that eternal realm is not limited by time, it means that whenever its existence will remain flat its graph / no change / its inhabitant does not get older or more and more clever or more stupid / steady, but not for this perishable realm there is born there is dead there is young there is old there is clever there is fool, so His particular purpose for His people while sojourning in this perishable earth is Growth for growth does not exist in eternal realm.



Rom8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope



1Pet1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:



Heb5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat



2Pet3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen



If God's particular purpose for His people is growth (obviously, the man initially does not know the difference between good and evil), then what is God's ultimate goal for His creation?

Glorifying God: the human mouth and heart say that “glory is for God alone”.



Isa43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him



Eph1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love



If the ultimate goal (glorifying God) can be achieved simply without passing into the perishable realm, God surely chose this simplest way, but it turn out that sojourning through this perishable realm is the only way that the ultimate goal can be reached.

For man can glorify God, man must come to understanding that the salvation (living in eternal realm with God) is the grace of God alone.

Salvation= grace of God alone, then the men must understand and agree that they will never be able to achieve the salvation through their own efforts what ever those sound good.



Isa64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away



Isa26:12 LORD, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us





Then start gradually God teaches His people through His word which is written from Genesis to Revelation, and His people verify themselves.

First; In the premise of "Salvation = the grace of God alone" there must be the Chosen people which means the spiritual beings who were sent by God from the eternal Realm to the perishable realm while it is in the process of development / purification until finally win / understood, or only those whose names were written in the book of life Since before the creation of the world, or surely the devil can not participate even though he also exists in the temporal realm and also dwells in the natural human body / earth dust Gen3: 14, then here appears It is clear that there is a difference between those who are the chosen people, and those who are born of flesh where these very people are possible to become the camp of the devil ----- > the chosen = born of God (in the physical body there is a human spirit which God sent to wander/sojourn On earth ,vessel of mercy(Rom9:23) dwells in vessel unto honor(Rom9:21) ), relating to this then God is the Father of this chosen people, there is also the man of the world = the dust = born of flesh = possible to be the devil’s camp= possible the devil surely will be the father of these men ( swine Mark5:12,John 8:44 ,Mat23:33 ,tare Mat13:38 , the raider of the pale horse Rev6:7-8 ).

Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

So it is clear: in order to His people/the chosen understood that “salvation = the grace of God alone” then; God must introduce Himself as the Father of His people.

Isa63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, art our father, our redeemer; thy name is from everlasting.



It must also be taught to them/His people/the chosen that while they are sojourning/wandering in this perishable earth they surely will be kept by God Himself as a guide, entertainer, helper, that they surely will not be a meal of the devil, here: God must introduce Himself as the Holy Spirit.



Luke11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.

11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first



Isa44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

Isa51:12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;

Isa46:3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb:

46:4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you

Finally His people also should be compelled to witnessing the manifestation of the God Grace that was demonstrated by the Messiah/ the Redeemer/ the Savoir through crucifixion and resurrection ( cause naturally they will never grasp and admit about it), where in the OT also had been revealed well that the savoir is only God Himself, the redeemer is only God Himself ( Isa 49:26) , so relating to this event : God must introduce Himself as God the Son.

to be continued
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Hence until here it is clear that God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit are the identities of God Himself so that His people who were sent to sojourn to this perishable realm “well understood “ that Salvation = only by God’s Grace.



Additions : If God did not create men in this perishable realm, then there must have been an eternal realm whose inhabitants were God, angels and demons (the spirits), where the angel had no gender, would God introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to the angels? Of course not because the term is very strange to them who is genderless, not able to multiply, and who cannot interchange his position (from devil to faithful angel vice versa).



Isa44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Can His people finally understand? Salvation= God's grace alone if God did not introduce Himself as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit to man?.
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5.His people were let to realize about their incapability /vanity about 1,500 years ( let them to verify themselves ) began from the day God gave the mosaic laws = standard of life in God sight until the cross ( in these period we ought to compare which one the easier to be fulfilled : not ate the fruit of the tree of life intentionally or fulfilling the hundreds of laws ) , unfortunately no one realized , proven in Jesus time people still enthusiastically tried to fulfill the laws ( Sabbath, circumcise , sacrifice etc ).

6.It was necessity that God should manifest as the Messiah to open His people eyes by forced in the cross event, if we summary that event :

God as the Messiah said:

Men ,You will never save your self or others what ever effort you may try, because the salvation is only by God’s grace (Eph2:8) , that is what I want to demonstrate to you, I will be killed and three days later I shall resurrect from dead that you may know : the sacrifice blood is my blood = God blood , the priest is me as manifestation of God, the man who is sanctified will be acted by Me that shows you if the salvation is only for the chosen ( not man who says want , but only he or she whom the heart is made to want /written in the book of life before the creation of the world /the spirits(vessel of mercy) which were sent by God from eternal realm to this perishable realm) , then by this event comes to pass you will understand that the salvation is only by God’s Grace, and you that believe (believe if this event is really manifestation of God’s grace ) is the winner you shall be resurrected too in the last day, and you that don’t believe you are the loser because you will surely say that I am not God Him self , and consider Me as a created being as you are , then if I am a created being surely I am spiritually dead too as you are then I shall reach My salvation too by this event( by this event I shall pay my own sins) means this event surely not a manifestation of God’s Grace or there is no premise ”salvation is only by God’s Grace” and every one shall pay their own sins by their own effort , then why can’t you fulfill the Torah laws? , why am I said savior? (Luk2:11), why am I said Redeemer? (Eph1:7), you that don’t believe you are really a loser certainly you are walking to the lof .