Some thought about "Jews"
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Some may not agree, however...
It is a Biblical error to call all Israelites as being Jews.
Per the Jewish historian who lived around 100 A.D., Josephus, he stated that the title of 'Jew' is what those returning to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity called themselves, and the strangers that returned also with them. In The New Testament (KJV) the word "Jew" is often the word Judean per the Greek. Judean is a territorial type meaning, not a bloodline reference. It applied to those who lived in Judea regardless of their birth.
Study of Old Testament history is very important for the Christian also. There are many things written in The New Testament Books that refer back to the Old Testament histories and prophets. One such Bible history about the Jews and Israel I find not that many of my Christian brethren even know about. It is the split of old Israel that God did because of king Solomon falling into his many wives pagan idol worship, allowing it to exist among the children of Israel.
God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms starting in 1 Kings 11.
God said He would rend (split) the kingdom in the days of Solomon's son Rehoboam, and take ten tribes out of the hand of his son, and give them to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim. Jeroboam had been setup by Solomon as governor over the ten tribes of Israel in the north portions of the holy land. The main tribes in the south at Jerusalem-Judea were the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The Levites served both areas, northern ten tribes and Judea, with Solomon reigning from Jerusalem.
Per Genesis 49:10 and 1 Chronicles 5:2, the tribe of Judah was to be the chief ruler, thus David's house of the tribe of Judah was where the inheritance of kings would come. However, notice in 1 Kings 11 that God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be "king of Israel" over the northern ten tribes. What's going on with that, since Jeroboam was not born of the tribe of Judah, nor house of David?
Later, the two Israelite kingdoms had war against each other, the "kingdom of Judah" became 3 tribes dwelling in the south (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi), with its capital city at Jerusalem. And the "kingdom of Israel" became 10 tribes dwelling in the north, with its capital city at Samaria. These would also be called the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" respectively.
Per 2 Kings 17, God scattered the ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" out of the holy land first. They went captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes by various kings of Assyria, and they never returned as a people. In the days of Josephus (100 A.D.), he said the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates, and were a great number of people, too many to be numbered.
Then per 2 Kings 17:18 only those of the tribe of Judah were left in the land (Judah being put for the "kingdom of Judah" made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the ten tribes that refused king Jeroboam's calf idols in the north).
These remaining in the holy land of the "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah", are those who used to the title of 'Jew', which Josephus said originates from the name of the tribe of Judah.
Many today wrongly preach that all Israelites are Jews, when that does not align with Bible history nor even secular Jewish history by the Jewish historian Josephus. The only reason for that to happen is Biblical ignorance of this Bible history about God splitting old Israel into two separate kingdoms and houses.
Jewish scholars are divided on the topic of what happened to the northern ten tribe "house of Israel" which God scattered first and that were separated from the house of Judah. Some believe they are gone forever, LOST. Others believe the ten tribes will return and be joined by with Judah in final, which actually that is what God's Word does reveal, when Jesus returns.
But where are the ten tribes today? because God's Word does hint to what would happen to them (Book of Hosea, which even Apostle Paul quoted in relation to Christ's Church in Romans 9).
It is a Biblical error to call all Israelites as being Jews.
Per the Jewish historian who lived around 100 A.D., Josephus, he stated that the title of 'Jew' is what those returning to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity called themselves, and the strangers that returned also with them. In The New Testament (KJV) the word "Jew" is often the word Judean per the Greek. Judean is a territorial type meaning, not a bloodline reference. It applied to those who lived in Judea regardless of their birth.
Study of Old Testament history is very important for the Christian also. There are many things written in The New Testament Books that refer back to the Old Testament histories and prophets. One such Bible history about the Jews and Israel I find not that many of my Christian brethren even know about. It is the split of old Israel that God did because of king Solomon falling into his many wives pagan idol worship, allowing it to exist among the children of Israel.
God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms starting in 1 Kings 11.
God said He would rend (split) the kingdom in the days of Solomon's son Rehoboam, and take ten tribes out of the hand of his son, and give them to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim. Jeroboam had been setup by Solomon as governor over the ten tribes of Israel in the north portions of the holy land. The main tribes in the south at Jerusalem-Judea were the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The Levites served both areas, northern ten tribes and Judea, with Solomon reigning from Jerusalem.
Per Genesis 49:10 and 1 Chronicles 5:2, the tribe of Judah was to be the chief ruler, thus David's house of the tribe of Judah was where the inheritance of kings would come. However, notice in 1 Kings 11 that God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be "king of Israel" over the northern ten tribes. What's going on with that, since Jeroboam was not born of the tribe of Judah, nor house of David?
Later, the two Israelite kingdoms had war against each other, the "kingdom of Judah" became 3 tribes dwelling in the south (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi), with its capital city at Jerusalem. And the "kingdom of Israel" became 10 tribes dwelling in the north, with its capital city at Samaria. These would also be called the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel" respectively.
Per 2 Kings 17, God scattered the ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" out of the holy land first. They went captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes by various kings of Assyria, and they never returned as a people. In the days of Josephus (100 A.D.), he said the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates, and were a great number of people, too many to be numbered.
Then per 2 Kings 17:18 only those of the tribe of Judah were left in the land (Judah being put for the "kingdom of Judah" made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the ten tribes that refused king Jeroboam's calf idols in the north).
These remaining in the holy land of the "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah", are those who used to the title of 'Jew', which Josephus said originates from the name of the tribe of Judah.
Many today wrongly preach that all Israelites are Jews, when that does not align with Bible history nor even secular Jewish history by the Jewish historian Josephus. The only reason for that to happen is Biblical ignorance of this Bible history about God splitting old Israel into two separate kingdoms and houses.
Jewish scholars are divided on the topic of what happened to the northern ten tribe "house of Israel" which God scattered first and that were separated from the house of Judah. Some believe they are gone forever, LOST. Others believe the ten tribes will return and be joined by with Judah in final, which actually that is what God's Word does reveal, when Jesus returns.
But where are the ten tribes today? because God's Word does hint to what would happen to them (Book of Hosea, which even Apostle Paul quoted in relation to Christ's Church in Romans 9).
I think you mean 2 Thessalonians right? There is no way that happened in AD70....
I will post it here and let everyone decide if this is a past event or future. Jesus only returns once?
"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."
I will post it here and let everyone decide if this is a past event or future. Jesus only returns once?
"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."
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The way, the truth and the new life offered everyone in the resurrection is the only mediator between God and man. Jesus the Christ Yashua He'Mashiach, in the R'auch Ha'kodesh (Holy Spirit)
the only perfect flesh to have ever walked this earth in the flesh. thank you Father Psalm 100:4, 103:12, I ask and that you for the gift in Ezekiel 36:26 you giving this through your risen Son for us, the reconciled. Thank you wide, high and deeply
the only perfect flesh to have ever walked this earth in the flesh. thank you Father Psalm 100:4, 103:12, I ask and that you for the gift in Ezekiel 36:26 you giving this through your risen Son for us, the reconciled. Thank you wide, high and deeply
Thank you all for the time and effort you took to respond; you have given me much to consider and a great deal of work to do. I have read and studied all the responses and would just like to make a couple of points.
I mentioned the issue of Messianic Judaism. There was no argument that even though they consider themselves “Jews” they are saved.
To the position that redemption of the “Jews” is a future event, there was likewise no response.
There were a few mentions of salvation by natural law but it was not discussed as this relates to Judaism. Likewise, my position that The Word was active in the lives of God’s People for centuries before the nativity, was also not discussed. No one took a position for-or-against my assertion that God’s laws were written in the hearts of his people by Yeshua before His first coming.
The focus of nearly all responses was to my position that “Jews” have not denied Yeshua. On that issue I would like to respond.
What does it mean to believe in Yeshua? Does a public pronouncement constitute belief? I reject that idea. Acceptance can only mean you trust in him and behave accordingly; as best as you are able. For some reason, perhaps as a necessary step toward salvation of gentiles (pure speculation), God hardened the hearts of his people and they did not correctly understand the His identity. This failure to recognize him is an error, but it is not a rejection of his teachings nor a rejection of their faith and belief in The Word. Individuals, “Jews” and gentiles both, rise or fall on their faith in YHWH. I still reject a blanket condemnation of God’s chosen people.
I mentioned the issue of Messianic Judaism. There was no argument that even though they consider themselves “Jews” they are saved.
To the position that redemption of the “Jews” is a future event, there was likewise no response.
There were a few mentions of salvation by natural law but it was not discussed as this relates to Judaism. Likewise, my position that The Word was active in the lives of God’s People for centuries before the nativity, was also not discussed. No one took a position for-or-against my assertion that God’s laws were written in the hearts of his people by Yeshua before His first coming.
The focus of nearly all responses was to my position that “Jews” have not denied Yeshua. On that issue I would like to respond.
What does it mean to believe in Yeshua? Does a public pronouncement constitute belief? I reject that idea. Acceptance can only mean you trust in him and behave accordingly; as best as you are able. For some reason, perhaps as a necessary step toward salvation of gentiles (pure speculation), God hardened the hearts of his people and they did not correctly understand the His identity. This failure to recognize him is an error, but it is not a rejection of his teachings nor a rejection of their faith and belief in The Word. Individuals, “Jews” and gentiles both, rise or fall on their faith in YHWH. I still reject a blanket condemnation of God’s chosen people.
Messianic Jews believe in Christ. I know because I used to go to a messianic congregation. It appears you may be using the term to mean something else.
It's a past, present and future event.
It doesn't relate to Judaism. All of those foreknown by God will hear his voice and be drawn to him. People only learn of the father through the witness of the holy spirit. That's the extent of natural law. It has absolutely no bearing on cultural upbringing or religion.
I don't think anyone here accepts a blanket condemnation of any ethnicity. They can repent and believe like anyone can.
It's a past, present and future event.
It doesn't relate to Judaism. All of those foreknown by God will hear his voice and be drawn to him. People only learn of the father through the witness of the holy spirit. That's the extent of natural law. It has absolutely no bearing on cultural upbringing or religion.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:44-45
You're making a lot of assumptions about what Jews believe. A tree is known by its fruit.I don't think anyone here accepts a blanket condemnation of any ethnicity. They can repent and believe like anyone can.
“This is where you lose me, because the Bible teaches that there is NONE righteous no not one, no one obeys the law and that is the issue. If what you wrote is true, why bother spreading the Gospel?”
amen
“What then? are we ( Jew ) better than they?( gentile ) No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God.
….Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:9-11, 19-31 KJV
amen
“What then? are we ( Jew ) better than they?( gentile ) No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God.
….Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 3:9-11, 19-31 KJV
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Matters not what each one of us think. We can all read He came to His own and said I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father but by me. We don't get a say in that. The fact He came to them first before going out into the world. OT it was always to get His word to the world.. For God so loved the world was not something new. It always to save His creation. So being Jewish can't save you knowing the Torah can't save you. Most are blind its hard to judge someone that has heard...Christ said if you were blind you would have no sin you see you see your sins remain. Another fact the year is 2000 and were in NY city theres a old Jewish man. He had never once heard of Yeshua/Jesus Christ. Then whos Jesus? Mormons? SDA? Catholic? JW etc. I will say we as in believers really love to toss out (Forgive me Father) turn or burn.
I truly believe it is so easy to be found to be born from above then lost. So many of us just have to day in day out tell others our personal truth and if you don't follow it your off your wrong your false your blah blah blah. I don't care who you are.. Bapt- to word of faith.. do you know my JESUS? Then lets get together and praise Him, worship Him.. share all the good things hes been doing..
As for difficult topic? why
I truly believe it is so easy to be found to be born from above then lost. So many of us just have to day in day out tell others our personal truth and if you don't follow it your off your wrong your false your blah blah blah. I don't care who you are.. Bapt- to word of faith.. do you know my JESUS? Then lets get together and praise Him, worship Him.. share all the good things hes been doing..
As for difficult topic? why
it's really simple: if someone does not believe in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit as God teaches in the Bible, you are hell bound. that simple. however, anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus in truth, shall be saved. (Romans 10:9 & 10:13 + Psalm 145:18). provides salvation: God is the answer. study Ephesians 2:8,9, & 10- ....."it is the gift of God"....
Ezek.33 11-1 3
“Say to them: 'As I live,' says the Lord GOD, 'I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?'
"Therefore you, O son of man, say to the children of your people: 'The righteousness of the righteous man shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression; as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall because of it in the day that he turns from his wickedness; nor shall the righteous be able to live because of his righteousness in the day that he sins.'
When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die.”
The above applies to the Christian as much as to the Jew.
Without genuine repentance (turning from and not returning to sin) there can be no forgiveness.
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