Some thoughts on the modern church....

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Seeker47 said:
I’m curious, when Yeshuah returns for his bride, what will he think about the church?

It is easy to be critical of the modern church; Lord knows I have taken a few shots at her myself. If we look at the church from a broad view we see something very confusing.

Without question, the church has built more hospitals and schools, provided more food and clothing to the needy, rescued more widows and orphans, attended the sick and injured, rescued more souls from deprivation, visited more prisons and sat with more elderly and dying people than any group on earth. (But not so much now…)

It has also caused more wars, created more division, exploited more people, perfected exquisite tortures, turned its back on evil, sought personal gain, abused the ignorant and peached more falsehoods than any other.

But just where will He put this craziness? How would He give the church a half-hug?

Would He accept our gifting the responsibilities to love our neighbor to Caesar? Would He accept the “Scrooge” defense of “I pay taxes”?

Personally, I think He will deal with the church just as He deals with me. He will chastise the errant, even casting some away. Those who have turned to him in repentance and atonement will be preserved. Sadly, His Word makes it clear, there will only remain a remnant.

We can pray the church recognize the season and turns, while yet there is grace.
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All the evils of the world created entities and The churches are right there in it. Long ago I heard come out of Her so I learned a lot about the monetary system. Atthe of it all
I can't fig Why God would what debtors notes? .I came to conclusions that is Not of God but The Her system
 
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The Early church they all sold and made sure everyone had equal needs met. Fig they sold and received silver and gold fuller payment.
using say ,Caesar's notes coin were not lawfull For The Church but today they use the term legal.
I kind of make a joke but serious I say Judas would have never sold out Jesus if the payment was by Caesar notes
See the 30 pieces of silver paidment in full lawfull for the burial plot . if it would have been Caesar's note that wouldn't have been full payment to be paid later type of thing we have today legal
 
Lanolin said:
If you can love your neighbour by being charitable, whether is donation or volunteering, giving your time (if not your money) to those less fortunate (the least of these) God will see that..and He'll reward you.
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Im hearing blessed are the poor in spirit Giving Curds and Honey
 
Seeker47 said:
It has also caused more wars, created more division, exploited more people, perfected exquisite tortures, turned its back on evil, sought personal gain, abused the ignorant and peached more falsehoods than any other.
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That is totally incorrect.
 
--I am always open to better information--

1.5 to 3 MILLION dead under Pol Pot.
15 to 20 MILLION under the Nazis
150 to 400 thousand in Sudan
5.4 to 6 MILLION dead so far in the Congo.... many of them Christians
shoot, even more recent, at least 40,000 Iranian citizens murdered by their own government....

During the Spanish Inquisition, 3000 to 10,000 were killed over a 350 year period of time.... your "Christian" war...
 
Thank you for responding and adding another dimension to my post.

Your point is well taken, but you are crediting me with something I did not say. I did not mention deaths. I also did not to imply the church was the only source of evil.

In regards to your death figures I will add this. Your figures only cover events in the past 100 years or so. If we look at deaths in the Americas during the colonization period, we find an estimated 56 million natives killed. In Africa there have been an estimated 35 million deaths during colonialization. There were an estimated 16 million deaths during the European wars of reformation or counter-reformation. The period of the crusades will add another 10 million. It is also suggested that at least 15 million deaths occurred during the trans-Atlantic African slave trade.

I do not know if false Christianity has killed more people than any other religion, probably has not. I stand by what I wrote.
 
Seeker47 said:
It has also caused more wars,
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I don't know exactly what you mean by "the church"..... are you speaking of the Roman Catholic church?

i believe that the religion of Islam has caused or started more wars and/or genocides than any other religion. It would take a lot of research to figure that out, I suppose.

Seeker47 said:
The period of the crusades will add another 10 million.
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I believe the Crusades were started by the Muslims...

Seeker47 said:
It is also suggested that at least 15 million deaths occurred during the trans-Atlantic African slave trade.
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and you blame this on the church?


Seeker47 said:
In Africa there have been an estimated 35 million deaths during colonialization.
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colonization by whom?


anyway.... I still disagree with your claims against "the church"... but it's not really worth arguing about... we simply disagree...
 
hornetguy said:
I don't know exactly what you mean by "the church"..... are you speaking of the Roman Catholic church?

i believe that the religion of Islam has caused or started more wars and/or genocides than any other religion. It would take a lot of research to figure that out, I suppose.


I believe the Crusades were started by the Muslims...


and you blame this on the church?



colonization by whom?


anyway.... I still disagree with your claims against "the church"... but it's not really worth arguing about... we simply disagree...
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That's what makes CC worth following. I learn everytime I post something worthwhile.
 
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That's why still have to first on curds and Honey maintain perfect Holy Spirit discernment to know of God Or if man
 
Going a million scriptures doesn't do me any good unless the Holy Spirit has shown me the meaning of them
 
I can show evil people things from the Bible that can make their evil even more powerful against The Elect . I see it in a religion doctrine and I wasn't moved ,They used what I told and now used that in a evil way to be more deceptive evil even using his name too
 
Puting a guide line I see First second third to Jesus is crazy .First Know "God is Love" we want people to know His Love and That love alone can Only Come From The Holy Spirit .So you All Should be able To See How much God Loves Any man woman No Matter what your Flesh Sees!
 
In the 40 days Jesus was in the wilderness Satan tempted him with Health, Wealth and Power .... Most American churches tempt their parisoners with the exact same things as the gospel
 
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LoProfile said:
In the 40 days Jesus was in the wilderness Satan tempted him with Health, Wealth and Power .... Most American churches tempt their parisoners with the exact same things as the gospel
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Not quite exactly sure how prosperity gospel came about, but I do now it originated in the US. Where the words 'In God we Trust 'is on their money.
But I'm like,, which god? There's the God of the Bible, or theirs those other gods like the God of this world, or God is your belly, or Mammon..

eg. It's not saying 'In Jesus we trust' or 'Love the Lord with all your heart'

I think its maybe its because there was a lot of poverty in the US esp during the Depression years. But it was like that everywhere else, except it actually started in the US when their stock market crashed.
 
Also says love of money is the root of all (kinds) of evil. I remember reading that verse about 'filthy lucre' which is how the concept of money laundering came about.
 
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Their is no money it a promise Note . I often wonder why God would ask for a Debters note ?
Lanolin said:
Not quite exactly sure how prosperity gospel came about, but I do now it originated in the US. Where the words 'In God we Trust 'is on their money.
But I'm like,, which god? There's the God of the Bible, or theirs those other gods like the God of this world, or God is your belly, or Mammon..

eg. It's not saying 'In Jesus we trust' or 'Love the Lord with all your heart'

I think its maybe its because there was a lot of poverty in the US esp during the Depression years. But it was like that everywhere else, except it actually started in the US when their stock market crashed.
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Their is no money we see and use, it a promise Note . I often wonder why God would ask for a Debters note ?
 
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