Some thoughts on the Sabbath...

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I thought this verse meant that it was indeed a special Sabbath because the Passover Sabbath was aligned with the weekly Sabbath… ?

A "special Sabbath" most commonly refers to special Shabbatot in the Jewish calendar or a "High Sabbath" in Judeo-Christian theology. [1, 2]

Jewish "Special Shabbatot" (Special Sabbaths)
Throughout the Jewish calendar, several Sabbaths are distinct from the regular weekly Shabbat because of special Torah readings or liturgical additions. [1, 2]
  • The Arba Parashiyot: Four special Sabbaths before the spring holidays of Purim and Passover (Shabbat Shekalim, Zakhor, Parah, and HaChodesh).
  • Shabbat HaGadol: The Sabbath immediately preceding Passover.
  • Shabbat Mevarekhin: The Sabbath prior to a new Hebrew month, where the new month is announced and blessed.
  • Shabbat Rosh Chodesh: A Sabbath that coincides with the first day of the new moon (new month). [1, 2, 3]

Judeo-Christian "High Sabbath"
In the New Testament and historical theology, a "high Sabbath" (or "special Sabbath") refers to the annual festival days—such as the first day of Passover or the Feast of Unleavened Bread—that commanded a day of rest, regardless of what day of the week they fell on. [1, 2]
  • The Crucifixion Timeline: This concept is often debated in discussions regarding the timeline of Jesus's crucifixion. Many scholars and believers on forums like Christianity Stack Exchange suggest that in the week of the crucifixion, a Thursday Passover High Sabbath and the regular Saturday weekly Sabbath took place consecutively, allowing three full days and nights to pass. [1, 2]
 
It was a "special sabbath."
Not the regular sabbath.

John 19:31

Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath.
Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during
the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.


The Jews had different Sabbaths for times of the year.
Special sabbaths could fall on different days of the week.

Just Google - Jews had different Sabbaths not all on Saturday.

When Jesus was crucified this special sabbath was for the Passover time.

Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday.
Sunset Wednesday became Thursday
Jesus had to be in the tomb before the special Sabbath began!

So... He died Wednesday. His soul left his body before his body went into the tomb.
In the Tomb Wednesday - Thursday - Friday.
Rose on the first day of the week (Saturday).
That could have been anytime after sunset on Friday.

That way he was buried for three days and three night, and was walking about on Saturday.
Oh, I just re-read your post… sorry. I don’t agree with this schedule of His death, rest and the day He rose.

Here is my understanding and please let me know your thoughts…
Jesus was crucified on Friday - hours before the start of the Sabbath (sundown on Friday evening). It is my understanding that those few hours between the cross and sundown constitutes one day (partial day is counted as one day). This is known as “inclusive reckoning.” So, we have

Friday - 1 day,
Saturday - 1 day
Sunday - 1 day

This is because each calendar day is touched. You can also see this in Ester 4:16-5:1. This has established this counting principle.

Please see Luke 9:22 and 1 Corinthians 15:4, and Luke 24:21 that tells us “ON the 3rd day.” You won’t find in Scripture the term or phrase “for 3 full days.”

Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
 
What Holy Spirit shows is keeping the sabeth day Holy is one of the ten commandments which was a Covenant to the Israelites.
Do your own search w/HS and see if that Covenant is an Oath of God that should end this thread once revealed
Please go to my post # 1130 and review the verses that were given to see if they support the keeping of the Sabbath - not Jewish but it was indeed placed in the 10 Commandments by God - it was “made for MAN, not for Jews.”
 
So, if you do not mind, after reading all the verses I can included in my earlier response AND your personal study and thoughts, what is your conclusion on the keeping of the Sabbath? Thanks.
I cannot find any place in Biblical History for instructions to follow the Catholic practice for Sunday observance…..or to discontinue the Father’s Sabbath requirement when He asked us to remember it. This was the only commandment He felt He should remind us about…….maybe since He knew it would soon be attacked.

As I indicated in my earlier post…… the reason given for the change to Sunday was always spurious since the original Greek manuscripts tell us our Messiah arose on the Sabbath…….shortly before sunrise…..not Sunday morning.
 
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Oh, I just re-read your post… sorry. I don’t agree with this schedule of His death, rest and the day He rose.

Here is my understanding and please let me know your thoughts…
Jesus was crucified on Friday - hours before the start of the Sabbath (sundown on Friday evening). It is my understanding that those few hours between the cross and sundown constitutes one day (partial day is counted as one day). This is known as “inclusive reckoning.” So, we have

Friday - 1 day,
Saturday - 1 day
Sunday - 1 day

This is because each calendar day is touched. You can also see this in Ester 4:16-5:1. This has established this counting principle.

Please see Luke 9:22 and 1 Corinthians 15:4, and Luke 24:21 that tells us “ON the 3rd day.” You won’t find in Scripture the term or phrase “for 3 full days.”

Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
If he was crucified on Friday?
3 days and 3 nights in the tomb?
We would have their weekly service in many churches on a Monday.

It got screwy over the years because not all scholarship was the best in those days of having indulgences and calling Pastors "Father.
 
I cannot find any place in Biblical History for instructions to follow the Catholic practice for Sunday observance…..or to discontinue the Father’s Sabbath requirement when He asked us to remember it. This was the only commandment He felt He should remind us about…….maybe since He knew it would soon be attacked.

As I indicated in my earlier post…… the reason given for the change to Sunday was always spurious since the original Greek manuscripts tell us our Messiah arose on the Sabbath…….shortly before sunrise…..not Sunday morning.
Thank you!
 
If he was crucified on Friday?
3 days and 3 nights in the tomb?
We would have their weekly service in many churches on a Monday.

It got screwy over the years because not all scholarship was the best in those days of having indulgences and calling Pastors "Father.
No, maybe I did not write my response clearly. He was crucified on Preparation day - 1 day (even though it was not a full 24 hours). The Sabbath day - Saturday was a full 24 hours each- day 2. Then, He rose early on the 1st day of the week- not a full 24 hours later on Sunday - day 3. Thus, He fulfilled Passover, the Sabbath and First Fruits days.
 

"The Sabbath Was Made for Man, Not Man for the Sabbath"​

This statement comes from Mark 2:27, where Jesus declared: "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Far from being a throwaway remark, This is one of the most powerful defenses of the seventh-day Sabbath — not a weakening of it.


1. Jesus Was Defending the Sabbath, Not Dismissing It​

The context of Mark 2:27 is crucial. The Pharisees had burdened the Sabbath with hundreds of man-made rules and restrictions. Jesus was not abolishing the Sabbath — He was liberating it from human distortion and restoring it to its original, God-given purpose.

"The Sabbath was made for man. Every requirement connected with it was for man's benefit... The obligation of the Sabbath reaches to the last generation. By taking the very rest that God took and pronouncing it blessed, Jesus identified Himself with the Sabbath from the beginning."
Jesus was the Creator who rested on the seventh day. When He said "the Sabbath was made for man," He was speaking as its Author, not its abolisher.


2. "Made for Man" Means Universal, Not Abolished​

The very phrase "made for man" proves the Sabbath was never exclusively Jewish. Man here refers to humanity as a whole — anthropos in the Greek, meaning all mankind — not the Jewish nation specifically.

"The Sabbath is not a Jewish institution. It was instituted in Eden for the race. It is as broad as the human family, and was given for the benefit of every individual of every nation and kindred and tongue and people."
If the Sabbath were made for all humanity at Creation — before there was even a Jewish nation — then it cannot logically be limited to the Mosaic covenant or abolished when that covenant ended. "Made for man" is actually the strongest possible argument for its universality and permanence.


3. It Was Made for Man's Benefit — Physical, Mental, and Spiritual​

"Made for Man" practically meant across multiple dimensions:

Physical rest: God, who designed the human body, built a weekly cycle of rest into creation itself. The body needs one day in seven to recover. This is evidence of God's fatherly care.

Mental renewal: The Sabbath was a day to lay aside the week's cares and anxieties, to redirect the mind toward eternal things. Busyness and worry were to cease; peace and reflection were to take their place.

Spiritual deepening: Most importantly, the Sabbath was designed to preserve and deepen the knowledge of the living God as Creator and Redeemer. Without it, humanity would drift into forgetfulness of who God is.

"God saw that a Sabbath was essential for man, even in Paradise. He needed to lay aside his own interests and pursuits for one day in seven, that he might more fully contemplate the works of God and meditate upon His power and goodness."

4. "Not Man for the Sabbath" — Against Legalistic Burden​

The second half of Jesus' statement — "not man for the Sabbath" — was equally important. They were sharply opposed to the Pharisaical view that turned Sabbath-keeping into an oppressive, joyless burden.

True Sabbath observance was not a grim duty to be endured but a delight to be enjoyed.

"The Sabbath of the Lord is to be kept as a day of rest, refreshment, and holy contemplation — a delight, not a burden."
Sabbath-keeping rooted in legalism misses the entire point. Man was not created to serve the Sabbath institution as a slave; rather, the Sabbath was created to serve man as a gift.


5. Jesus as Lord of the Sabbath Confirms, Not Cancels​

Mark 2:28 immediately follows: "Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath." Jesus claimed lordship over the Sabbath — meaning He has authority to define its true meaning and defend it from abuse. He did not claim lordship in the sense of discarding it.

"Since Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, He is its rightful interpreter. He shows by His own example that it is right to do works of mercy on the Sabbath. The day was not to be a day of painful restriction, but of blessing and uplifting for humanity."
SO ? How can Jesus be "Lord of the Sabbath" if the Sabbath no longer exists? To be Lord of something implies that thing still stands — under His rightful authority.


6. The Sabbath Is a Gift, Not a Test of Merit​

"Made for man" meant the Sabbath was fundamentally a gift from a loving God — not a legal hoop for earning salvation.
  • The Sabbath was not given so man could earn favor with God by keeping it.
  • It was given so man could rest, remember, and rejoice in a God who already loves him completely.
  • Keeping it is the response of a grateful heart, not the attempt of a striving one.
This is deeply connected to the previous dialogue about Jesus as our rest: resting on the seventh day is the outward, weekly expression of trusting in Christ's finished work. The Sabbath was made for man precisely because man needs that weekly anchor of grace.


Summary​

When Jesus said "the Sabbath was made for man," We should hear a proclamation of the Sabbath's:
  • Universality — it belongs to all humanity, not just Jews
  • Permanence — what was made for man at Creation was not repealed at Sinai or the cross
  • Mercy — it was given to bless, restore, and uplift human beings
  • Divine design — God, as our Maker, built this rest into the very rhythm of existence because He knew we needed it
Far from being an argument against Sabbath observance, "the Sabbath was made for man" was, one of its greatest commendations — a reminder that God's fourth commandment is not a burden imposed from above, but a gift of love offered from a Father who understands exactly what His children need.

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No, maybe I did not write my response clearly. He was crucified on Preparation day - 1 day (even though it was not a full 24 hours). The Sabbath day - Saturday was a full 24 hours each- day 2. Then, He rose early on the 1st day of the week- not a full 24 hours later on Sunday - day 3. Thus, He fulfilled Passover, the Sabbath and First Fruits days.
Here is what I must go by in the chronology.

King Herod died in 4 bc. Yeshua had to have been born prior to that. I derive this data from world history and (Matthew 2:16-19).. Herod had directed all boys in Bethlehem under the age of two to be killed.

The U.S. Naval observatory indicates Passover (Nisan 14) in 28 ad fell on a Tuesday night/ Wednesday daytime. Knowing that Yeshua was raised from the tomb on the first weekly Sabbath after Passover (all literal Greek translations) a Tuesday/ Wednesday Passover would fit.

Passover preparation Tuesday evening/ Wednesday daytime would be the date of the Last Supper and the following afternoon the killing of the lambs in the temple. Yeshua would be placed in the tomb at sundown of Passover preparation by Joseph.

If He had been born after Herod died then scripture would lie. He would have to have been born in 5 bc or Herod’s instructions would then also be a lie. Two years old and younger…….
 
Oh, I just re-read your post… sorry. I don’t agree with this schedule of His death, rest and the day He rose.

Here is my understanding and please let me know your thoughts…
Jesus was crucified on Friday - hours before the start of the Sabbath (sundown on Friday evening). It is my understanding that those few hours between the cross and sundown constitutes one day (partial day is counted as one day). This is known as “inclusive reckoning.” So, we have

Friday - 1 day,
Saturday - 1 day
Sunday - 1 day

This is because each calendar day is touched. You can also see this in Ester 4:16-5:1. This has established this counting principle.

Please see Luke 9:22 and 1 Corinthians 15:4, and Luke 24:21 that tells us “ON the 3rd day.” You won’t find in Scripture the term or phrase “for 3 full days.”

Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights.
And, Jesus said that was the sign he was to give.


For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the
earth. Matthew 12:40​

If Jesus was crucified on Friday and had to be in the tomb before sunset?
At sunset Friday?
It would have become Saturday.

For sunsets ended one day of the week and began the next day.

So?

Wednesday Crucified.
Died while still on the Cross.
That means his soul went below the earth on Wednesday. = Day one.

The special sabbath that year was on Thursday.
So, Jesus had to be in the tomb before that sabbath began.
He was in the tomb before sunset.
When sunset came it began the first night below the earth.
And, that sunset changed to the next day of the week according to Jewish thinking.

So? He died on Wednesday.
That was when his soul went below the earth while it was still daylight. = first day.
His body was not yet in the tomb when he died.

If that sabbath was to mean Saturday?
If we went by our type of days?
That would have Mary at the tomb with him risen on Monday!

The special sabbath that week began at sunset Wednesday.
Sunset was when Wednesday ended
For sunset began the next day of the week.
In that way he was in the tomb for his first night during what we would call Thursday. First night.
 
Here is what I must go by in the chronology.

King Herod died in 4 bc. Yeshua had to have been born prior to that. I derive this data from world history and (Matthew 2:16-19).. Herod had directed all boys in Bethlehem under the age of two to be killed.

The U.S. Naval observatory indicates Passover (Nisan 14) in 28 ad fell on a Tuesday night/ Wednesday daytime. Knowing that Yeshua was raised from the tomb on the first weekly Sabbath after Passover (all literal Greek translations) a Tuesday/ Wednesday Passover would fit.

Passover preparation Tuesday evening/ Wednesday daytime would be the date of the Last Supper and the following afternoon the killing of the lambs in the temple. Yeshua would be placed in the tomb at sundown of Passover preparation by Joseph.

If He had been born after Herod died then scripture would lie. He would have to have been born in 5 bc or Herod’s instructions would then also be a lie. Two years old and younger…….
Well, I would not rely on our ability to determine when Herod died or the records of that period. Some are capable of researching the dates and times of events in our history but even they do not come to a consensus. Each has their own approach, methods and procedures to perform.

But there is or seems to be one set of facts (hopefully), that might give us a very reasonable and sound understanding… and of course, God would have purposely designed these events so we could determine the timing of the most important event in man’s history. That the Passover Sabbath that comes once a year would coincide with the weekly Sabbath. And since the weekly Sabbath is always the 7th day of the week, that seems to lick things down - for me anyway. And if He died the day before the Sabbath, then it would be Friday the 6th day of the week and also He would be resurrected on the 1st day of the week or Sunday.

Does this seem reasonable to you? Thanks.
 
This was the only commandment He felt He should remind us about…….maybe since He knew it would soon be attacked.
LOL Sabbath keeping is never given as a commandment in the NT, so much for being reminded.

In fact it is not possible to keep the Sabbath as it was commanded of Hebrews/Jews.
 
Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days and three nights.
And, Jesus said that was the sign he was to give.


For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the
earth. Matthew 12:40​

If Jesus was crucified on Friday and had to be in the tomb before sunset?
At sunset Friday?
It would have become Saturday.

For sunsets ended one day of the week and began the next day.

So?

Wednesday Crucified.
Died while still on the Cross.
That means his soul went below the earth on Wednesday. = Day one.

The special sabbath that year was on Thursday.
So, Jesus had to be in the tomb before that sabbath began.
He was in the tomb before sunset.
When sunset came it began the first night below the earth.
And, that sunset changed to the next day of the week according to Jewish thinking.

So? He died on Wednesday.
That was when his soul went below the earth while it was still daylight. = first day.
His body was not yet in the tomb when he died.

If that sabbath was to mean Saturday?
If we went by our type of days?
That would have Mary at the tomb with him risen on Monday!

The special sabbath that week began at sunset Wednesday.
Sunset was when Wednesday ended
For sunset began the next day of the week.
In that way he was in the tomb for his first night during what we would call Thursday. First night.
Doesn’t the Scriptures tell us that Mary was part of the process with Joseph of Arimathea or / and Nicodemus when they HAD to bury Jesus before the start of the Sabbath at sundown? Again, the weekly Sabbath that began at sundown on Friday evening.

Further, she was also present in the morning if the 1st day of the week - the morning AFTER the Sabbath to go to the tomb? Doesn’t that also indicate she went to the tomb well before the completion of the 24 hours for the 3rd day? I don’t believe she waited another 24 hours from say, approximately 6 AM to 6 AM on Tuesday morning…

Does that seem / sound reasonable? Thanks
 
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LOL Sabbath keeping is never given as a commandment in the NT, so much for being reminded.

In fact it is not possible to keep the Sabbath as it was commanded of Hebrews/Jews.
Why do you ignore Scripture? I am sure I provided enough verses for you to read…

But you are indeed entitled to have your own opinion…
 
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Why do you ignore Scripture? I am sure I provided enough verses for you to read…

But you are indeed entitled to have your own opinion…
Oh, why am I not putting myself under the obsolete old covenant? Hmmm. Jesus. That is why.

There is a new covenant now. Have you heard of it? It is superior. The Bible says so.
 
Doesn’t the Scriptures tell us that Mary was part of the process with Joseph of Arimathea or / and Nicodemus when they HAD to bury Jesus before the start of the Sabbath at sundown? Again, the weekly Sabbath that began at sundown on Friday evening.

Further, she was also present in the morning if the 1st day of the week - the morning AFTER the Sabbath to go to the tomb? Doesn’t that also indicate she went to the tomb well before the completion of the 24 hours for the 3rd day? I don’t believe she waited another 24 hours from say, approximately 6 AM to 6 AM on Tuesday morning…

Does that seem / sound reasonable? Thanks
You missed it.

It says it was a special sabbath. Not, the regular sabbath of Saturday.

A special Sabbath can fall midweek. In Jewish tradition, there are annual festival days (such as Passover, Shavuot, or the Feast of Tabernacles) known as "High Sabbaths" or "High Holy Days." These special sabbaths require a rest from customary work, but unlike the weekly Saturday Shabbat, they are date-specific rather than day-specific. As a result, they can land on any day of the week, including a Tuesday or Wednesday.


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Doesn’t the Scriptures tell us that Mary was part of the process with Joseph of Arimathea or / and Nicodemus when they HAD to bury Jesus before the start of the Sabbath at sundown? Again, the weekly Sabbath that began at sundown on Friday evening.

Further, she was also present in the morning if the 1st day of the week - the morning AFTER the Sabbath to go to the tomb? Doesn’t that also indicate she went to the tomb well before the completion of the 24 hours for the 3rd day? I don’t believe she waited another 24 hours from say, approximately 6 AM to 6 AM on Tuesday morning…

Does that seem / sound reasonable? Thanks

Check this out.... https://christianity.stackexchange....addition-to-passover-when-jesus-was-crucified
 
You missed it.

It says it was a special sabbath. Not, the regular sabbath of Saturday.

A special Sabbath can fall midweek. In Jewish tradition, there are annual festival days (such as Passover, Shavuot, or the Feast of Tabernacles) known as "High Sabbaths" or "High Holy Days." These special sabbaths require a rest from customary work, but unlike the weekly Saturday Shabbat, they are date-specific rather than day-specific. As a result, they can land on any day of the week, including a Tuesday or Wednesday.


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No, I understand what you were saying and am not disagreeing with the information you provided, however. I purposely made sure I mentioned that the Passover Sabbath aligned with the weekly Sabbath- meaning, there is no other option than the Sabbath being Saturday -the 7th day of the week.

Does that make sense to you ? Thanks