Some words by Spurgeon;
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Although our church had high regards for C.Spurgeon., us members of the church didn't really know what C.S. really believed. Many of the Bible truths I came to later in life were actually things Charles Spurgeon held to. I'm sure there are a lot of things C.S. and I are not in agreement on but there are many things we do agree upon and I'm so blessed to read them tonight.
Many years ago we had a commentary of the Psalms by C.S. I remember it had a blue and yellow and white cover. It got lost in the different moves over the years but it would not be surprising if someone on CC had a copy of that book.
Many years ago we had a commentary of the Psalms by C.S. I remember it had a blue and yellow and white cover. It got lost in the different moves over the years but it would not be surprising if someone on CC had a copy of that book.
Hi notuptome., Glad you like Spurgeon too. I have nothing against Joel O. but I have not posted any of his writings here. The things Spurgeon has written here I very much agree with. He was an amazing man of God and has been used even years after he left this earth. It really gives one an appreciation for the power of the written word.
Some words are just words where other words can change people's lives. The Holy Spirit works through the lives of different people who write too. And we also know that His Word will not return to Him void but will accomplish what He sends it out to do. So another reason to endeavor to not waste our opportunities. Happy New Year!
Some words are just words where other words can change people's lives. The Holy Spirit works through the lives of different people who write too. And we also know that His Word will not return to Him void but will accomplish what He sends it out to do. So another reason to endeavor to not waste our opportunities. Happy New Year!
And who doesn't like and approve of Charles H. Spurgeon???
Thought this was worth re posting in light of all the different kinds of repentance-s going on. Do we cry or do we change our minds and agree with God? I say we change our minds and agree with God. Basically let the Holy Spirit have reign over our thoughts each day so He can change our minds and "we" can be in agreement with Him. Amen!
Still trying to promote the false doctrines of Joseph Prince et. al. Spurgeon said that repentance is to change your mind about sin... So tell us how an evildoer changes his mind about his evil deeds? And tell us what the apostle John was teaching Christians about sin in their lives in his first epistle? Or do you simply cherry-pick Scripture and distort things which do not suit?
Hi Joaniemarie,
I don't have it in a blue cover. But I keep going back to Spurgeons 'The Treasury of David'. Great commentary on the Psalms and written with not only a theologians precision but a Pastors heart.
You can get 'The treasury of David' very cheaply on kindle..and still in book form..or you can read it free online.
Glad your reading Spurgeon
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Why would the Jew need to change his mind about sin? I think they knew full well about sin?
It is not about Jews and Gentiles but about evildoers changing their mind about sin. Spurgeon said that repentance is changing the mind about sin (among other things), so joaniemarie needs to tell us exactly what that entails in relation to the Gospel. What has happened recently that some people have been promoting the idea that repentance is merely "a change of mind". So let's see what someone under the influence of Joseph Prince has to say about this.
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Nehemiah,
I personally have no center stage high profile teachers that I read or pay attention to in any great way...I have a small fellowship group and it is the best move I ever made. The humble and the meek have tremendous insight.
Now, I do not mind some parts of Prince's devotional but I do agree sometimes what he says is very vague and I am not sure where how he gets from point A to point B, and sometimes he is way out there, especially when I heard him say that Communion has healing benefits.
Having said that, I am more inclined to read a devotional from a preacher who promotes God loves all and does not condemn some to hell by not choosing them to be saved, I am completely and utterly opposed to that doctrine.
Okay my comment is that the Gospel is to the Jew first.....when John the Baptist was preaching the message of repentance to his people was he was telling them to change their mind about the plan of salvation.
They believed that by being the physical descendants of Abraham was enough to save them as children of God, so they needed a change of mind and as we know a limited number were able to change their minds and believe upon Jesus as Saviour.
Metanoia means to change our mind, in the context of scripture, it means to stop believing we can save ourselves and agree with God we are completely incapable of being good enough. We change our minds and believe upon Christ Jesus and Hs efficacious work on the cross on our behalf.
Is this this not the case of the Jews of Jesus time, they could not make this change in thought?
Convincing people they are sinners is not the difficulty, the problem I encounter is most people believe they are good enough.
Some have sorrow for their sins, but the cling to self righteous works thinking they have repented and stopped sinning, changing our minds about our own self-effort and turning towards Christ as Saviour and His work on the cross on our behalf is how we are saved.
Jesus does not save those who are trying to save themselves, we come empty, this is the hard truth most people cannot get to...they will not change their minds about their total inability to save themselves.
I can feel all manner of sorrow and contrition for my sin, but where is Jesus in that...I make it about me and not Him and His Work
This is why the gate is narrow.
I have not taken the time to find the scriptures but I can ....for some reason I have been all day on CC..not good.
I would be glad to hear your thoughts on what I have said.
I personally have no center stage high profile teachers that I read or pay attention to in any great way...I have a small fellowship group and it is the best move I ever made. The humble and the meek have tremendous insight.
Now, I do not mind some parts of Prince's devotional but I do agree sometimes what he says is very vague and I am not sure where how he gets from point A to point B, and sometimes he is way out there, especially when I heard him say that Communion has healing benefits.
Having said that, I am more inclined to read a devotional from a preacher who promotes God loves all and does not condemn some to hell by not choosing them to be saved, I am completely and utterly opposed to that doctrine.
Okay my comment is that the Gospel is to the Jew first.....when John the Baptist was preaching the message of repentance to his people was he was telling them to change their mind about the plan of salvation.
They believed that by being the physical descendants of Abraham was enough to save them as children of God, so they needed a change of mind and as we know a limited number were able to change their minds and believe upon Jesus as Saviour.
Metanoia means to change our mind, in the context of scripture, it means to stop believing we can save ourselves and agree with God we are completely incapable of being good enough. We change our minds and believe upon Christ Jesus and Hs efficacious work on the cross on our behalf.
Is this this not the case of the Jews of Jesus time, they could not make this change in thought?
Convincing people they are sinners is not the difficulty, the problem I encounter is most people believe they are good enough.
Some have sorrow for their sins, but the cling to self righteous works thinking they have repented and stopped sinning, changing our minds about our own self-effort and turning towards Christ as Saviour and His work on the cross on our behalf is how we are saved.
Jesus does not save those who are trying to save themselves, we come empty, this is the hard truth most people cannot get to...they will not change their minds about their total inability to save themselves.
I can feel all manner of sorrow and contrition for my sin, but where is Jesus in that...I make it about me and not Him and His Work
This is why the gate is narrow.
I have not taken the time to find the scriptures but I can ....for some reason I have been all day on CC..not good.
I would be glad to hear your thoughts on what I have said.
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At the point of how someone received eternal life.. there is the teaching in the liked of John McAthur and Ray Comfort where turning from sin is effectively salvation.
The true salvation is simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be eternally saved. Not .. I am saved because I am turning from my sin. Salvation should be from Him.. Not us.
The problem with turning from sin being salvation itself is that if someone falls back into sin.. then it's the 'never saved in the first place' line coming in.
Whereas if it was simply and truly belief on Jesus Christ to save. .. then sin afterward is not attached to it.
The true salvation is simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be eternally saved. Not .. I am saved because I am turning from my sin. Salvation should be from Him.. Not us.
The problem with turning from sin being salvation itself is that if someone falls back into sin.. then it's the 'never saved in the first place' line coming in.
Whereas if it was simply and truly belief on Jesus Christ to save. .. then sin afterward is not attached to it.
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When you read the words of John the Baptist to Israel, what he was preaching primarily was A CHANGED LIFE AND A CHANGED LIFESTYLE, and that is what I wanted to hear from joaniemarie, who believes that a change of mind is all there is to it. Spurgeon said a change of mind about sin, so let us see exactly what John the Baptist was preaching about this matter:
Matthew 3:1-12
CONFESSION OF SINS
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand... Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
FRUITS TO SHOW GENUINE REPENTANCE
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
WARNING OF ETERNAL HELL FOR UNREPENTANT SINNERS
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Luke 3:10-14
A CHANGED LIFESTYLE
And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you. And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse anyfalsely; and be content with your wages.
Luke 3:18
MANY OTHER THINGS
And many other things in his exhortation preached he unto the people.
True. But John wanted Israel to see that they all were sinners on their way to Hell, and unless they turned from their evil ways and turned away from sins and idols, they could not be saved through the Savior. His baptism was for repentance in preparation for faith in Christ and this involved much more than just a change of mind. It meant FORSAKING THEIR SINS.
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JM, you forgot to post the link to where you got this quote:
https://escapetoreality.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/spurgeon_repentance.jpg?w=620
Yep, Escape to Reality. Just in case anyone might have erroneously thought that JM was converting to Calvinism, when she was just parroting her second favorite site, Escape to Reality, yet another hypergrace site.
https://escapetoreality.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/spurgeon_repentance.jpg?w=620
Yep, Escape to Reality. Just in case anyone might have erroneously thought that JM was converting to Calvinism, when she was just parroting her second favorite site, Escape to Reality, yet another hypergrace site.
Here is the whole quote, from “All of Grace.” I always get suspicious when I see an ellipsis in the middle of a quote!
“I hear another man cry, “Oh, sir my want of strength lies mainly in this, that I cannot repent sufficiently!” A curious idea men have of what repentance is! Many fancy that so many tears are to be shed, and so many groans are to be heaved, and so much despair is to be endured. Whence comes this unreasonable notion? Unbelief and despair are sins, and therefore I do not see how they can be constituent elements of acceptable repentance; yet there are many who regard them as necessary parts of true Christian experience. They are in great error. Still, I know what they mean, for in the days of my darkness I used to feel in the same way. I desired to repent, but I thought that I could not do it, and yet all the while I was repenting. Odd as it may sound, I felt that I could not feel. I used to get into a corner and weep, because I could not weep; and I fell into bitter sorrow because I could not sorrow for sin. What a jumble it all is when in our unbelieving state we begin to judge our own condition! It is like a blind man looking at his own eyes. My heart was melted within me for fear, because I thought that my heart was as hard as an adamant stone. My heart was broken to think that it would not break. Now I can see that I was exhibiting the very thing which I thought I did not possess; but then I knew not where I was. Remember that the man who truly repents is never satisfied with his own repentance. We can no more repent perfectly than we can live perfectly. However pure our tears, there will always be some dirt in them: there will be something to be repented of even in our best repentance. But listen! To repent is to change your mind about sin, and Christ, and all the great things of God. There is sorrow implied in this; but the main point is the turning of the heart from sin to Christ. If there be this turning, you have the essence of true repentance, even though no alarm and no despair should ever have cast their shadow upon your mind.“
Please note the bolded part is the ellipsis in Escape to Reality’s quote. That is more words cut, than posted.
The part I like best is this:
“The man who truly repents is neve satisfied with his own repentance. We can no more repent perfectly that we can live perfectly.”
A far cry from just repenting once, as JP and Escape to Reality posit.
It truly bothers me when the great preachers are misquoted and used for to support bad doctrine. I remember Escape to Reality doing a partial quote of Spurgeon another time. So I was on the alert this time! Nice try, JM, but no cigar!
“I hear another man cry, “Oh, sir my want of strength lies mainly in this, that I cannot repent sufficiently!” A curious idea men have of what repentance is! Many fancy that so many tears are to be shed, and so many groans are to be heaved, and so much despair is to be endured. Whence comes this unreasonable notion? Unbelief and despair are sins, and therefore I do not see how they can be constituent elements of acceptable repentance; yet there are many who regard them as necessary parts of true Christian experience. They are in great error. Still, I know what they mean, for in the days of my darkness I used to feel in the same way. I desired to repent, but I thought that I could not do it, and yet all the while I was repenting. Odd as it may sound, I felt that I could not feel. I used to get into a corner and weep, because I could not weep; and I fell into bitter sorrow because I could not sorrow for sin. What a jumble it all is when in our unbelieving state we begin to judge our own condition! It is like a blind man looking at his own eyes. My heart was melted within me for fear, because I thought that my heart was as hard as an adamant stone. My heart was broken to think that it would not break. Now I can see that I was exhibiting the very thing which I thought I did not possess; but then I knew not where I was. Remember that the man who truly repents is never satisfied with his own repentance. We can no more repent perfectly than we can live perfectly. However pure our tears, there will always be some dirt in them: there will be something to be repented of even in our best repentance. But listen! To repent is to change your mind about sin, and Christ, and all the great things of God. There is sorrow implied in this; but the main point is the turning of the heart from sin to Christ. If there be this turning, you have the essence of true repentance, even though no alarm and no despair should ever have cast their shadow upon your mind.“
Please note the bolded part is the ellipsis in Escape to Reality’s quote. That is more words cut, than posted.
The part I like best is this:
“The man who truly repents is neve satisfied with his own repentance. We can no more repent perfectly that we can live perfectly.”
A far cry from just repenting once, as JP and Escape to Reality posit.
It truly bothers me when the great preachers are misquoted and used for to support bad doctrine. I remember Escape to Reality doing a partial quote of Spurgeon another time. So I was on the alert this time! Nice try, JM, but no cigar!
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Well Nehemiah I do not follow Lordship salvation teaching which is destroying the pure simple gospel of grace.
I follow the pure Gospel of Grace and that salvation is a gift.
I receive the gift when I stop trying to earn salvation, change my mind and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.
Once I am born again, Good works and the fruits of the Spirit will flow not from my self-effort but from Jesus in whom I abide.
If we could turn from our evil ways we would have no need of a Saviour!! Plain and simple
Good works are profitable to others and well pleasing to God as they glorify Him. Good works are a good testimony and enhance our opportunity for witness.
Our works do not prove salvation because salvation is not based on works.
It is based on the object of our faith – Christ. [h=3]https://standforthefaith.com[/h]
I guess we will have to disagree, but at least you know where I stand, it has been a long hard painful road to live in the freedom of Jesus and the Law of Liberty as spoken of in scripture and I am not going back to Calvin or Lordship salvation teachings.
I follow the pure Gospel of Grace and that salvation is a gift.
I receive the gift when I stop trying to earn salvation, change my mind and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour.
Once I am born again, Good works and the fruits of the Spirit will flow not from my self-effort but from Jesus in whom I abide.
If we could turn from our evil ways we would have no need of a Saviour!! Plain and simple
Good works are profitable to others and well pleasing to God as they glorify Him. Good works are a good testimony and enhance our opportunity for witness.
Our works do not prove salvation because salvation is not based on works.
It is based on the object of our faith – Christ. [h=3]https://standforthefaith.com[/h]
I guess we will have to disagree, but at least you know where I stand, it has been a long hard painful road to live in the freedom of Jesus and the Law of Liberty as spoken of in scripture and I am not going back to Calvin or Lordship salvation teachings.
Yeah I remember maybe a year or so ago, someone called grace77 (or something like that), using the same quotes from Spurgeon from the same website even though they are taken out of context.
What was interesting to me is that the Op had a copy of the Treasury of David by Spurgeon.. Hopefully she may feel more encouraged to read it rather than those who skirt with Antinomianism.
Peter and Paul also preached the pure Gospel of Grace, but they did not shy away from the necessity of repentance in order for sinners to be saved. And the first word from Christ when He began preaching was REPENT.
DOES GOD COMMAND REPENTANCE?
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Acts 17:30,31)
DID CHRIST PREACH REPENTANCE?
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)
DID PETER PREACH REPENTANCE FOR SALVATION?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost... Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord, And he shall send Jesus Christ; which before was preached unto you (Acts 2:38:3:19,20)
DID PAUL PREACH REPENTANCE FOR SALVATION?
And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 20:20,21)
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