Good morning, MarceloIf what they say were true the Greek Orthodox Church would be the best of all churches.
Good morning, MarceloIf what they say were true the Greek Orthodox Church would be the best of all churches.
Learned theologians of our day may know Hebrew, may know Greek, may know Spurgeon, and may know Calvin, but if they don’t know Holy Spirit and His love they don’t know God. Having an issue with what she’s saying is different to having an issue with her. I appreciate you are dividing those two things, Angela.
In my opinion JM’s not on trial. She doesn’t need to know Hebrew or Greek to know God. I would show Scriptures that say Holy Spirit is our Teacher and God will teach His people directly, but I don’t really want to get in an argument about who’s context is correct. But on the topic of context, I’ve noticed the NT writers sometimes took OT Scriptures out of context to prove their points. It appears the Spirit of God can do what He wants with His Book. Even when the theologians of His day didn’t agree. They were so confident in their theology they attacked and killed the One they professed to know. Let’s not let the traditions of theology speak louder to us than the Spirit of our Living God.
True enough. But she (and all Christians) need to know the difference between truth and error. Since several have pointed out the gross errors of Joseph Prince and other false teachers whom she admires (idolizes?) that should have been enough to stop posting stuff from JP and simply expressing herself. The fact that she continues to post (promote) his nonsense indicates that JM is not willing to reject error in the face of truth. That is a serious matter.In my opinion JM’s not on trial. She doesn’t need to know Hebrew or Greek to know God.
If what they say were true the Greek Orthodox Church would be the best of all churches.
I really would like to know what you mean by you like reading Spurgeon too. I was honest about me and Calvin, so how about you share about you and Spurgeon?In light of all that has been said here about interpretation and context., I'm extremely thankful we each have the Holy Spirit who opens the many different meanings of the Word to us and shows us precious doctrines and teachings no matter what our educational backrounds.
Those who seek Him will for sure find Him. Jesus told us that He would give us His Spirit and He would teach us and lead us into all truth. Thank You Jesus for giving us all we need pertaining to life and Godliness.
John 16:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But when He, the Spirit of Truth (the Truth-giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth (the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message [on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears [from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come [that will happen in the future].
And it is then that we are able to worship God in Spirit and in truth. We would not have that promise if we all did not have access to Him. And we do because He is in us and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise John 4:24-26
[SUP]23 [/SUP]A time will come, however, indeed it is already here, when the true (genuine) worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth (reality); for the Father is seeking just such people as these as His worshipers.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
Hi Magenta...Wish I had read this post as I have just made a thread about learning Greek and Hebrew, and found my answer here lol...xox...Good morning, Marcelo(Well, it is morning here
) We know it is the Holy Spirit of God Who leads us into understanding, not whether we can read a certain language. I studied the Bible for a time with a group of people that had as its "head" an ordained minister who could read Greek, and Hebrew. They classified them self as an agnostic, denied the Deity of Christ, pooh-pooed the gospel of John, belittled what they called "the theology of Paul," did not believe that Jesus was sinless, and claimed Christ did not die to take away the sins of the world. Obviously, understanding Greek did nothing positive to enable or enhance their understanding of Scriptures.
Good morning, Marcelo(Well, it is morning here
) We know it is the Holy Spirit of God Who leads us into understanding, not whether we can read a certain language. I studied the Bible for a time with a group of people that had as its "head" an ordained minister who could read Greek, and Hebrew. They classified them self as an agnostic, denied the Deity of Christ, pooh-pooed the gospel of John, belittled what they called "the theology of Paul," did not believe that Jesus was sinless, and claimed Christ did not die to take away the sins of the world. Obviously, understanding Greek did nothing positive to enable or enhance their understanding of Scriptures.
It also makes salvation an ongoing process of repentance - sin, repentance - sin, repentance - sin ....where does Jesus fit in, in this ongoing cycle...good point.
Yeah... repentance at salvation is the 'change of mind, heart, ' not an on going process of turning from sin.
Romans 10 and John 3:16 are some primary scriptures
Thought this was worth re posting in light of all the different kinds of repentance-s going on. Do we cry or do we change our minds and agree with God? I say we change our minds and agree with God. Basically let the Holy Spirit have reign over our thoughts each day so He can change our minds and "we" can be in agreement with Him. Amen!
I do not speak or read Greek. It really is all Greek to me. I just don't have that gene (or whatever it is) to understand linguistics enough to learn another language., and really wish I did because I love communications.Hi Magenta...Wish I had read this post as I have just made a thread about learning Greek and Hebrew, and found my answer here lol...xox...
JM, you forgot to post the link to where you got this quote:
https://escapetoreality.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/spurgeon_repentance.jpg?w=620
Yep, Escape to Reality. Just in case anyone might have erroneously thought that JM was converting to Calvinism, when she was just parroting her second favorite site, Escape to Reality, yet another hypergrace site.
it would be interesting to hear what you think apostle John was teaching about sin. Spurgeon was talking about repentance, i dont get your remark about cherry picking.Still trying to promote the false doctrines of Joseph Prince et. al. Spurgeon said that repentance is to change your mind about sin... So tell us how an evildoer changes his mind about his evil deeds? And tell us what the apostle John was teaching Christians about sin in their lives in his first epistle? Or do you simply cherry-pick Scripture and distort things which do not suit?
Was just thinking again about the Biblical meaning of repentance and some of the things people think it means that it doesn't mean. . Judas was very sorry and regretful and his kind of repentance was not towards God but towards his own ideas of what repentance means and trying to remedy it himself.
"Repentance towards God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" Is true repentance.
Judas got into the act of human sorrow that looks back again to self and finds no hope. Even after he threw the money away that he got from the religious leaders for betraying Jesus., Judas saw only doom.,regret and hopelessness. So Judas went and hung himself in all his sorrow and regret and what some would call "repentance". The kind of repentance that cries.,mourns., hates self, hates the sin. But Judas didn't look to Jesus who is the answer, the remedy for all sin and shame and regret and forgiveness. Judas instead killed himself., and actually denied Jesus. Acts.20:21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]how I shrank not from declaring unto you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly, and from house to house, [SUP]21 [/SUP]testifying both to Jews and to Greeks repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus [SUP][a][/SUP]Christ.
I liked what you said here, and also what Spurgeon said. My brother said once that our sins are a "drop in the ocean," of God's mercy, and he is Russian Orthodox. Despair is a form of rebellion in a way, and Dr. Neil Anderson says in his book, "The Bondage Breaker," that it comes from the condemnation of the night which leads to hopelessness, instead of the conviction of the Holy Spirit, which leads to repentance, like Peter. And unbelief is also a form of rebellion where people don't want to submit to a power greater than ourselves--or even prefer to condemn themselves and take the role of judge, rather than servant.
It's crazy but even depression has got to be some form of resisting the light--
A chatter named NickT said it very well this evening on the same subject-- we all want to earn our salvation.
I think God said: "the buck stops here!" even the Beatles had it figured out: "money can't buy me love..."
thank-you for your friendly "welcoming the stranger" in Christian chat! (Matt. 25--)[/QUOTE
HI Herald., I like what you said here too. I read some of Neil Anderson's books years ago. Used to get his devotionals. Also remember a book by Dr.David Seamans about our minds and how the enemy seeks to devour us and uses condemnation all the time and tricks us into thinking it's the Holy Spirit condemning us.
Yes, I agree, despair and depression is actually a form of rebellion because it's refusing to believe God loves us 100% in Christ. It takes faith to believe the truth that God really loves us at all times. Believing is looking away from our own ideas and thoughts of condemnation and instead having our minds dare to believe something so good as God loves us because of Jesus. A christian I heard preaching once said people think it's the too good to be true good news. But we know it's really TRUE!! Blessings Herald.
Thought I ought to repost this, & bring it back to the front.Here is the whole quote, from “All of Grace.” I always get suspicious when I see an ellipsis in the middle of a quote!
“I hear another man cry, “Oh, sir my want of strength lies mainly in this, that I cannot repent sufficiently!” A curious idea men have of what repentance is! Many fancy that so many tears are to be shed, and so many groans are to be heaved, and so much despair is to be endured. Whence comes this unreasonable notion? Unbelief and despair are sins, and therefore I do not see how they can be constituent elements of acceptable repentance; yet there are many who regard them as necessary parts of true Christian experience. They are in great error. Still, I know what they mean, for in the days of my darkness I used to feel in the same way. I desired to repent, but I thought that I could not do it, and yet all the while I was repenting. Odd as it may sound, I felt that I could not feel. I used to get into a corner and weep, because I could not weep; and I fell into bitter sorrow because I could not sorrow for sin. What a jumble it all is when in our unbelieving state we begin to judge our own condition! It is like a blind man looking at his own eyes. My heart was melted within me for fear, because I thought that my heart was as hard as an adamant stone. My heart was broken to think that it would not break. Now I can see that I was exhibiting the very thing which I thought I did not possess; but then I knew not where I was. Remember that the man who truly repents is never satisfied with his own repentance. We can no more repent perfectly than we can live perfectly. However pure our tears, there will always be some dirt in them: there will be something to be repented of even in our best repentance. But listen! To repent is to change your mind about sin, and Christ, and all the great things of God. There is sorrow implied in this; but the main point is the turning of the heart from sin to Christ. If there be this turning, you have the essence of true repentance, even though no alarm and no despair should ever have cast their shadow upon your mind.“
Please note the bolded part is the ellipsis in Escape to Reality’s quote. That is more words cut, than posted.
The part I like best is this:
“The man who truly repents is neve satisfied with his own repentance. We can no more repent perfectly that we can live perfectly.”
A far cry from just repenting once, as JP and Escape to Reality posit.
It truly bothers me when the great preachers are misquoted and used for to support bad doctrine. I remember Escape to Reality doing a partial quote of Spurgeon another time. So I was on the alert this time! Nice try, JM, but no cigar!