Someone PLEASE tell me I'm not the only one to think this!

[fredjames]

God didn't make the Jews reject Christ!

Are you absolutely certain about that, to even end the sentence with an 'exclamation mark' as to 'cry out' loud, even giving no Scripture support to be 'just'?

Did you just do what your 'father of lies' tell you to do that is to lie to us?

And i speak what i see with my 'FATHER of Truth' in order to expose unbelief 'counterfeits' and 'imposters', who have gone ahead of CHRIST's teaching and do not 'abide' in them.

If you are 'seeker', i would be able to recognize you and be able to 'build' you up. But you are a bold false 'asserter' and 'teacher' in your own words and also there are a bunch of you not knowing are 'clowns' who put on a faith show. Witnessing your 'testimonies', for me you have, as the saying goes, 'just scratch the surface' of the written New Testament/Covenant sound doctrine 'equality' with the Jews, that makes me discouraged to help 'proud Gentile bragger branches' who are bound to be 'cut off' once again from that tree.

Before something like that happens, repent while bunch of you can!

Here is what has been spoken and written by GOD Himself to be 'Truth' according to Romans 11;8, in order for a bunch of you who have taken part in one's ignorant 'wicked words' in 'greeting' and 'welcoming', to 'repentance' to GOD, that;

"GOD gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that would not see and ears that would not hear, down to this very day."

i believe the bunch of you also may posses such 'spirit of unbelief'. After all that i have 'testified' of grace and Truth regarding Jews and Gentiles's equality, but ignorantly the bunch of you 'stick' only to your own 'versions', on and on, taken out of the Holy Scripture 'context' of the HOLY BIBLE.

GOD bless you all in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST.

 

[fredjames]

People, God did not reject his people Israel, they were cast off because of unbelief, but they will be grafted in if they don't continue in that Unbelief.

The prophets testified to that very thing. Moses, Hosea, for thru that
Very one, was testified, HE WILL CALL THEM HIS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HIS PEOPLE.

Christ came to make the two-one, so that in him they could both have access to God, so that the two of them should become one house of God, and in Christ there is no different in the two.
the two different people's have become one, and that IS the house of GOD, we are both under that new covenat.

Peter testifies to that very thing as us being God's house now, for he says, we are a chosen poeple, a royal preisthood, A HOLY NATION.
Peter addresses those who are now in Christ, as God's holy,chosen Nation, and according to scripture that could be no other THAN ISRAEL. THERE IS NO OTHER HOUSE GOD CHOOSES OUT OF THE NATIONS FOR HIMSELF.

Together, Israel and the Gentiles have become one house, in Christ, THAT'S WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS.

I would never boast over a Jew that hasn't accepted Christ, Christ died for them, and I would pray that he does put them back in the tree!! But the beauty of Christ is this, no one is Chosen apart from him, but Anyone on the face of the EARTH becomes God's house. A house is where you live and in CHRIST, we become the temple of God, each as indivual living stones, who on the resurrection day will all come Togther to be his temple forever.

In the 'equality' of Jews and Gentiles Christian, that you keep on 'bragging' about, of Gentiles being grafted to that tree, therefore know this for sure in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST that, there is a possibility of you, Gentiles being 'cut off' once again and left to wither, while they the Jews remain intact. Go and pay attention to Romans 11;13-24 and stop bragging on and on your version of 'equality'.

Witnesses of CHRIST, i have nothing against Gentiles who know and remember their 'place' and 'standing' according to the New Testament/Covenant Spiritual knowledge, in submission and obedience to GOD and not to the Jews at all. But i am against, in order for them to repent to GOD, those who are 'proud braggers', who think they know everything but as a matter of fact they know nothing, meaning their 'testimony' is 'incomplete' and so they remain in 'unbelief' ignorantly and they rather talk about Israel's 'unbelief' instead.

According to the Old Testament/Covenant, the whole of Israel have turned back to GOD in repentance, in their desperation to be saved from their enemies, when GOD personally came down to their rescue.

As it is written in Romans 11;25-29, referring to the Gentiles that;

25."Lest you be wise in your own conceits. I want you to understand this mystery brothers; a partial hardening has come upon Israel, untill the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26.And in this way 'All Israel will be saved', ......................................................................................................................"

 

[sltaylor]

In the 'equality' of Jews and Gentiles Christian, that you keep on 'bragging' about, of Gentiles being grafted to that tree, therefore know this for sure in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST that, there is a possibility of you, Gentiles being 'cut off' once again and left to wither, while they the Jews remain intact. Go and pay attention to Romans 11;13-24 and stop bragging on and on your version of 'equality'.

Witnesses of CHRIST, i have nothing against Gentiles who know and remember their 'place' and 'standing' according to the New Testament/Covenant Spiritual knowledge, in submission and obedience to GOD and not to the Jews at all. But i am against, in order for them to repent to GOD, those who are 'proud braggers', who think they know everything but as a matter of fact they know nothing, meaning their 'testimony' is 'incomplete' and so they remain in 'unbelief' ignorantly and they rather talk about Israel's 'unbelief' instead.

According to the Old Testament/Covenant, the whole of Israel have turned back to GOD in repentance, in their desperation to be saved from their enemies, when GOD personally came down to their rescue.

As it is written in Romans 11;25-29, referring to the Gentiles that;

25."Lest you be wise in your own conceits. I want you to understand this mystery brothers; a partial hardening has come upon Israel, untill the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26.And in this way 'All Israel will be saved', ......................................................................................................................"

Ok, so I see what you are saying. The Christians who used to be Jews are better than the Gentiles who are now Christian's, let us not forget our place!

And I do remember my place brother, and that was the place of a blind and rejected man. Out side, just dying of thirst, yet willing to die thirsty.

God Gave ALL MEN over to disobedience, so he can have mercy on us all.

There is no one holy, not even one.

Those God forknew he predistined to be conformed into the Likeness of his Son. In Christ there is no difference, period.

 

[sltaylor]

In the 'equality' of Jews and Gentiles Christian, that you keep on 'bragging' about, of Gentiles being grafted to that tree, therefore know this for sure in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST that, there is a possibility of you, Gentiles being 'cut off' once again and left to wither, while they the Jews remain intact. Go and pay attention to Romans 11;13-24 and stop bragging on and on your version of 'equality'.

Witnesses of CHRIST, i have nothing against Gentiles who know and remember their 'place' and 'standing' according to the New Testament/Covenant Spiritual knowledge, in submission and obedience to GOD and not to the Jews at all. But i am against, in order for them to repent to GOD, those who are 'proud braggers', who think they know everything but as a matter of fact they know nothing, meaning their 'testimony' is 'incomplete' and so they remain in 'unbelief' ignorantly and they rather talk about Israel's 'unbelief' instead.

According to the Old Testament/Covenant, the whole of Israel have turned back to GOD in repentance, in their desperation to be saved from their enemies, when GOD personally came down to their rescue.

As it is written in Romans 11;25-29, referring to the Gentiles that;

25."Lest you be wise in your own conceits. I want you to understand this mystery brothers; a partial hardening has come upon Israel, untill the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26.And in this way 'All Israel will be saved', ......................................................................................................................"

Its not bragging about our version of eqaulity.
No one is boasting over the Jews.

All I'm saying is what scripture states. And that we are all one in Christ.

 

[sltaylor]

And the mystery in Verse 25, is that God hardened Israel, to bring his salvation to the gentiles.

Once they are all grafted onto the same tree, THAT IS ALL ISRAEL.
If that weren't the case, he wouldn't have called in the gentiles in the first place man!

The emphasis is on Christ brother.
Apart from him, no one is chosen.
In him, everyone is chosen.

Rejection is rejection, and acceptance is acceptance.

Christ is the only thing that matters.

 

[Elin]

Do you know first of all,
your 'Salvation' came to you from those who have 'made to reject CHRIST' by GOD, foretold by the saying of the Old Testament/Covenant Prophets?

As Gentiles, knowing your 'adoption' by them, Apostle Paul said 'if' they remain in their unbelieve.

So what 'proud'
Gentiles should do in faith knowledge, when their
'Salvation' came to you from those

The same can be said of Noah, Shem and Arphaxad.

Is Arphaxad your grandfather?

In order not to derail the thread, would you explain the relevance of your question?

 

[sltaylor]

In order not to derail the thread, would you explain the relevance of your question?

I think Fred assumes we are still gentiles even after coming to Christ. In Christ we are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise and chosen out of the world, and citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem....all of those things are the complete opposite of what A Gentile is and was.

Salvation comes through Christ, "salvation comes no other way", and yes the only reason it came to us is because they rejected his words which was God's will for them to do.

Jesus told those that didn't believe him that their Father was the Devil, and if Abraham was their Father they would have listened and believed him.

Not all Israel is Israel. It's only in Christ is a man considered to be Abraham's seed and an heir to the ETERNALLY PROMISED HOLY LAND.

It's not a boast to proclaim truth thru scripture. Nor do I celebrate the hardened heart of any man, or boast over them. That's ridiculous.

To say what The Israel of God is does not mean we boast over anyone, scripture declares who the promise was Given to, AND THAT IS THE SEED, THE BODY OF CHRIST

NOT ALL who descended from Israel are Israel, period. If they were Jesus wouldn't have told them that Apart from being grafted into him, their Father was the Devil. That's not a boast, that's what Jesus proclaimed to the very ones who had the Law and the Prophets.

And God will graft any JEW who accepts Christ, back in. We are focusing on an EARTHLY place and name like that gave someone special honor and that is not what scripture says, if that were the case they wouldn't need Jesus to be an heir. Jesus made Israel who it was. He was the manna that fed them, he was the rock whom they drank from. It's about being found In Christ.

 

[fredjames]

Its not bragging about our version of eqaulity.
No one is boasting over the Jews.

All I'm saying is what scripture states. And that we are all one in Christ.

The sound doctrine Spiritual knowledge of the HOLY BIBLE is not 'entirely' according to your versions and together comforting each other you are all right in 'testifying' when they are 'incomplete' in 'testimony'. They are not yet made 'right' in your faith, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT. i was like you once in my 'youth' zeal believing i was right and boldly 'testifying'. But as read the HOLY BIBLE again and again, i discovered the 'mess up' i have committed in my previous 'testimonies'.

So many replies and from others to you and your 'bunch' and many have left this discussion, to correct, but you all are 'sticking' to your 'interpretations' and 'version', improvising stealing from our replies and justifying your 'innocents' , failing to thoroughly read our replies first, calling for your repentance and not be 'cut off' because of a 'proud' claim of being 'equal' with the Jews. Wise up, in your 'testimony' of thy faith, you who ate the 'crumbs' that fell from the children's table, while they ate what was placed in the table for them 'specially prepare' for the 'bride'.

Apostle Paul in his 'epistles' to the Gentile church said, 'if anyone wants to brag, brag only CHRIST'. Not brag 'nearsightedly' claiming 'equal' with the Jews, because there are 'conditions' in your 'place' of being 'grafted' but not given to them and i am not talking about those Jews who did not take part in the 'banquet table' of CHRIST in their 'unbelief'.

When Apostle Paul, a believing Jew, thinks about his 'kinsmen', he 'testifies' as if he is going through 'birth pangs' for them and his epistle reminder to the Roman church in chapter 11, actually 'cautioning' the Gentile Christians, because of their nature, which are not equal with the Jews, as 'beginners' ot the 'New Faith of The Way', to even consider yet about 'equals', but one is able to grow over the time in order to become 'equal', in spiritually 'thinking' and 'talking' like them. And to consider wisely through the Word of GOD and in humble and humility before testifying 'equality'. That is what the written 'epistles' of the Apostles, especially to the Gentile Christians 'suppose' to do for them, in order to be 'built up' and in 'abiding' according to them, to 'faithfully' come into the same 'Kingdom family order' together, in 'equal' submission and obedience to their GOD, giving the Jew Christians and their 'birth pangs' towards their kinsmen remain for the time in 'unbelief, to give respect in 'thankfulness', 'fear' and 'reverence', to 'all of them' before GOD.

It is written from verse 17-22, that;

"But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant towards the branches (read on further to know what arrogance). If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, 'Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.' That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith(free gift from GOD). So do not become proud, but stand in 'awe' (is your 'material' in 'testimony sharing' are according to this behavior?). For if GOD did not spare the natural branches, neither will HE spare you. Note then the kindness and severity of GOD: severity towards those who have fallen, but GOD's kindness to you, provided you continue in HIS kindness. Otherwise you too will be 'cut off'."

This is it, dear sltaylor, my given 'testimony' discussion with you and no point in me going over and over again for any believer to 'perceive' them immediately, for time will tell and show for common Good.

GOD bless you all in the name above all other names, 'LORD JESUS CHRIST'.

 

[fredjames]

In order not to derail the thread, would you explain the relevance of your question?

Yes fair enough, can you please 'refresh' my memory, who is 'Arphaxad', for i lost you at 'Shem'?

Thank you and may GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.

 

[fredjames]

I think Fred assumes we are still gentiles even after coming to Christ. In Christ we are Abraham's seed, heirs according to the promise and chosen out of the world, and citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem....all of those things are the complete opposite of what A Gentile is and was.

Salvation comes through Christ, "salvation comes no other way", and yes the only reason it came to us is because they rejected his words which was God's will for them to do.

Jesus told those that didn't believe him that their Father was the Devil, and if Abraham was their Father they would have listened and believed him.

Not all Israel is Israel. It's only in Christ is a man considered to be Abraham's seed and an heir to the ETERNALLY PROMISED HOLY LAND.

It's not a boast to proclaim truth thru scripture. Nor do I celebrate the hardened heart of any man, or boast over them. That's ridiculous.

To say what The Israel of God is does not mean we boast over anyone, scripture declares who the promise was Given to, AND THAT IS THE SEED, THE BODY OF CHRIST

NOT ALL who descended from Israel are Israel, period. If they were Jesus wouldn't have told them that Apart from being grafted into him, their Father was the Devil. That's not a boast, that's what Jesus proclaimed to the very ones who had the Law and the Prophets.

And God will graft any JEW who accepts Christ, back in. We are focusing on an EARTHLY place and name like that gave someone special honor and that is not what scripture says, if that were the case they wouldn't need Jesus to be an heir. Jesus made Israel who it was. He was the manna that fed them, he was the rock whom they drank from. It's about being found In Christ.

One's behavior partially remain in carnal/flesh as a Gentile in nature, at time tends to turn around and 'bite' what is Good and Holy of GOD. Salvation calls us all to 'spirituality' and forsake carnality

Does one who is weak and confused and in desperation seek 'alliance' with another who is equally the same, will that bring any advantage to both of them or would they be able to respond 'wisely' either in future?

As it is written and 'as a reminder and a stir up of memory' to believers today, that;

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."

"Workout your own salvation in fear and trembling."

 

[Elin]

Do you know first of all,
your 'Salvation' came to you from those who have 'made to reject CHRIST' by GOD, foretold by the saying of the Old Testament/Covenant Prophets?

As Gentiles, knowing your 'adoption' by them, Apostle Paul said 'if' they remain in their unbelieve.

So what 'proud'
Gentiles should do in faith knowledge, when their
'Salvation' came to you from those

The same can be said of Noah, Shem and Arphaxad.

Is Arphaxad your grandfather?

In order not to derail the thread, would you explain the relevance of your question?

Yes fair enough, can you please 'refresh' my memory, who is 'Arphaxad', for i lost you at 'Shem'?

See Lk 3:36.

 

[sltaylor]

One's behavior partially remain in carnal/flesh as a Gentile in nature, at time tends to turn around and 'bite' what is Good and Holy of GOD. Salvation calls us all to 'spirituality' and forsake carnality

Does one who is weak and confused and in desperation seek 'alliance' with another who is equally the same, will that bring any advantage to both of them or would they be able to respond 'wisely' either in future?

As it is written and 'as a reminder and a stir up of memory' to believers today, that;

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."

"Workout your own salvation in fear and trembling."

I'm not seeking alliance from one who is weak, neither are we both falling into a Pit. Let no man boast but in the cross.

It is MY BOAST, THE CROSS, that makes us equal, we are fellow citizens of the HEAVENLY KINGDOM, that is the power of the cross Sir. Yes Paul is making much of his ministry to save those of his own race. And what was that ministry, it was that very thing, there is no difference between the two IN CHRIST. Is that the ministry he received from Gamaliel and his study of the Law, no it was the ministry he received thru revelation from CHRIST!

The very ones you assume as being wiser than us gentiles, WERE the very ones who were hardened. It was their 'knowledge' of the law and the futility of their wisdom and understanding, that led to their rejection in the first place friend. That WAS PAUL'S MINISTRY!

Paul's ministry, what did he say makes a man a Jew? Answer that.
Peters ministry to the faithful elect in Christ....they were a holy nation?
And what nation is that? ANSWER that please, cause I'm confused on why you are looking down your nose at me!

What kinds of wisdom leads to rejection??
What kind of wisdom leads to Christ?

That WAS the ministry he wanted those of his own race to understand!

My boast is in the cross and you missed it....in the Cross there is salvation for all, there is no difference.

What you are saying contradicts scripture in a very simple way. You are still considering the difference between Jewish Christains and Gentile Christians, when scripture declares IN CHRIST, such divisions don't even exist!

Does that mean we boast over the rejected branches? NOOOO!
IT IS the cross my friend, I am boasting in the cross, apart from it there is only condemnation, in it the whole world is saved!

In all your humility do you consider all those in Christ equal??
Because you still call me Gentile, so where is your boast in the cross?
Has it not made me one with Christ as well??

What about the world without the cross? Are they equal to Christ?
No, not even one! It is ONLY THROUGH THE CROSS, AND it's power to make us all the house of God I am making my boast in Sir!

God did not reject his poeple, he will Graft them back in. I'm no better than anyone, much less the ones who had his laws. But in this Jewish wisdom you tell me to find and see, Which wisdom of theirs should I learn from? The ones that rejected his words, killed the prophets and crucified the Lord of Glory? Is that the wisdom I am missing by not being a Jew before Christ? Because Paul tells me that if they had understood these very things they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory! That was his ministry!

So I'm failing to see why I as a Gentile in Christ, am so looked down upon by you, as a Christian.

We are both saved by grace. We are both forgiven. We are both God's temple. We are both going to the heavenly Jerusalem. So what's the difference? The law's are written in both of our hearts, so why the demeaning classification, where is YOUR BOAST in the cross sir?

Your words are hurtful in their condescending tone as thinking everyone outside of Israel is still of a lesser category. Christ DIED FOR THE LESSER CATEGORY, as well as those of his own house!


Paul did tell us not to boast. I'm guarantee you im not over here laughing saying Hahaha, Im saved and the Jews are not! NO WAY MAN! I'm no more chosen than anyone apart from Christ. Where is the boast in that? I'm no more worthy of grace than the woman who called herself the dog. Where is the boast in that?

In Christ everyone is worthy, there is no one better. We are all taught by the Lord, the holy spirit. Did you know more about that spirit than I before being saved? Do those who can't understand or accept the concept of being born again know more about the holy spirit and it's ability to lead us in all truth? NO, they are the very ones who rejected those words because of their lack of understanding, as it was written by the prophet; 'my people perish from lack of KNOWLEDGE'.


So please stop telling me how wrong we are as gentile Christians for saying we are grafted in. There is no boasting in the truth sir, I was simply saying in Christ we are all the house of God. Not boasting over anyone who was cast off, indeed it is by Grace we are in that tree, and I DO PRAY he grafts them back in quickly, for what will their acceptance be but life from the dead. I want the whole family to go home. Without Israel, this is impossible, without the gentiles that was Impossible as well though sir. That's what Paul said, so in that way all Israel WILL BE SAVED.

 

[Cpsullivan2]

Wow thanks for the cynicism. That's exactly the point I'm making, read the whole thing. It doesn't matter who you are, in Christ, we become the 1 Israel of God for whom the covenant and promise is for, it's for no one else. We are the Lost Sheep of the Heavenly Israel. Anyone who comes to Christ is the flock he will rescue on the day of darkness as prophesied in Ezekiel 34:12. Like is said, Find me another name the covenant is said it's for, that's not fairy tale, it's exactly what the scripture says: This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time. So in Christ we become a piece of the same tree. Thank you for making my point.

Wow! Can you please tell me where in God's Holy Bible did you find these scripture, because I have and I mean never read those in my Bible!

We have not replaced Israel! You can try to twist the scriptures to fit what you believes but does not make it true. If this is true then, why did God promise the children of Israel that they would be scattered throughout the whole world but he promise them to bring them back to their homeland again.

There wasn't a nation of Israel for over 2000 years but God is faithful and has kept his promise to his people and on May 14, 1948 the nation of Israel was reborn. In case you haven't noticed they are still there, still fighting the same enemies of old.

Why would there be a Israel here on earth today, if God was only talking about a spiritual Israel? You really need some Divine Revelation from the Lord, himself.

 

[Cpsullivan2]

As Adam slinked his way out of the garden....think about this, the resurrection IS THE restoration, understand that and you will understand why Jesus said that the tree of life was in the paradise of God...heaven....

The tree of Life was also in the garden of Eden. It wasn't spiritual but a natural tree just as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

9 Bible Verses about
TREE OF LIFE
Genesis 2:8-17


And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. read more.
Genesis 3:22-24


And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Revelation 22:1-2


And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Revelation 2:7


He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Revelation 22:14-15

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Proverbs 15:4


A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
Proverbs 3:13-18
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her. read more.
Proverbs 11:30


The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
Proverbs 13:12


Hope deferred maketh the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

 

[Cpsullivan2]

I have said it and, I will say it again, we are not the Israel of God! Please provide your reference in the Bible that plainly states this?

All this is, is the teaching of replacement theology! A False Doctrine.

 

[Cpsullivan2]

Ok Ricky z. But think about what I'm telling you. IN CHRIST we are the Israel of God. In acts they spoke about the restoration of the kingdom to Israel. That's a heavenly thing brother.....and what does RESTORATION MEAN? To return to its origional condition. Thats why the tree of life is in the Paradise of God. THINK ABOUT IT

I have said it and, I will say it again, we are not the Israel of God! Please provide your reference in the Bible that plainly states this?

All this is, is the teaching of replacement theology! A False Doctrine.

 

[Cpsullivan2]

Its not bragging about our version of eqaulity.
No one is boasting over the Jews.

All I'm saying is what scripture states. And that we are all one in Christ.

You say that you are not bragging but indeed, you are. You have totally rejected Israel, the true Israelite of the Old Testament or true Israelis of today.

Have you not noticed that in the majority of your post, you are calling yourself the spiritual Israel that is eternal and God have rejected the Jews? Not only that, but you have rejected Israel as the "Olive" tree.

What you says the scripture states is not true. Please tell me the exact scripture(s) that proves what you are posting is the absolute truth of God Word?

 

[CWJ]

Ok, this is my first thread so hello to all, and thanks before hand to you who may reply.

This is the revelation I had a while ago, and have been helped by it deeply, but am realizing not many people see this. So please tell me I'm not "out there" for asking this question.
So here is the verse I was reading when it happened:

1st Peter 1:10- "Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow."

Ok, this letter was addressed to God's elect "who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood", so all of us in Christ. Peter states that the prophets who predicted Christ's sufferings, were prophesying of the grace that comes to us who believe in Jesus. The only prophets he was talking about who could have predicted Christ's sufferings, had to be before Christ came, and were the prophets who wrote the scripture they had at that time, essentially the Old Testament.
So here is the revelation I had and the question I want to ask you all:

If the Old Testament prophets we're speaking of the salvation that the body of Christ are receiving, what were they addressing us as??
Look back at the scripture and read it again carefully and see if you see what I'm saying. Like I said, this occurred to me about 3 years ago, so I have been looking into it for a while now and have figured it out to my satisfaction, but I have come to learn that this hasn't really occurred to alot of people, or may not even see it that way all together.
I can give all of you a hint tho of what answer has satisfied me, it has everything to do with Hebrews saying we have come to Mt. Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem, and it also has everything to do with Jesus saying he was sent only for the "Lost sheep of Israel".
God bless, and please answer the question: If the prophets who predicted Christ's coming spoke of our grace in Christ, who wrote the scriptures they had at that time, (Isaiah, Jeremiah, all the ones Paul and Jesus and Peter quoted all over the place), were talking about our salvation, what were they addressing us as?

Hello there, sltaylor,

The revelation concerning the Church which is Christ's Body (Ephesians 1:22b,23) was not known by the prophets of the Old Testament. For that revelation was only given following Acts 28, to Paul, while in prison in Rome. It was, 'hid in God' until that moment (Eph 3:9).

'And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ:'

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not associated with the New Jerusalem, but with a sphere far above all heavens. (Eph. 1:3; 2:6).

The letters which relate to this company of God's people are those written by Paul subsequently, namely, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

These are the 'unsearchable riches of Christ', unsearchable, because not revealed, which Paul sought to make known. (Eph. 3:8)

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.

Chris

 

[sltaylor]

I have said it and, I will say it again, we are not the Israel of God! Please provide your reference in the Bible that plainly states this?

All this is, is the teaching of replacement theology! A False Doctrine.

1 Peter 2:9*But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God...

So who are God's Holy chosen nation of people Again?

Or how about Romans 2 where Paul describes what makes a man a Jew and that Praise coming from God???? Cause he's talking about the spirit of Christ cleansing a man's heart making them a Jew.

Or how about Romans 9 when he said not ALL ISRAEL IS ISRAEL, and then goes on to say who are REGARDED as Abrahams true offspring are??? AND he says in Galatians Christ was the promised seed of Abraham and we are that seed, to whom the promises were intended for.

So again I will ask, what makes a man a Jew According to Paul, and just who is this holy chosen nation Peter called us?

 

[sltaylor]

Wow! Can you please tell me where in God's Holy Bible did you find these scripture, because I have and I mean never read those in my Bible!

We have not replaced Israel! You can try to twist the scriptures to fit what you believes but does not make it true. If this is true then, why did God promise the children of Israel that they would be scattered throughout the whole world but he promise them to bring them back to their homeland again.

There wasn't a nation of Israel for over 2000 years but God is faithful and has kept his promise to his people and on May 14, 1948 the nation of Israel was reborn. In case you haven't noticed they are still there, still fighting the same enemies of old.

Why would there be a Israel here on earth today, if God was only talking about a spiritual Israel? You really need some Divine Revelation from the Lord, himself.

And btw, Isaiah 66, which you are referencing , is OUR MOTHER.
According to Paul, not me. Here I will make it easy for you to see.

Galatians 4:26*But the Jerusalem that is above*is free, and she is our mother.*27*For it is written: "Be glad, O barren woman, who bears no children; break forth and cry aloud, you who have no labor pains; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband."*
ISAIAH 54: THE FUTURE GLORY OF ZION
1*"Sing, O barren woman,*you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy,*you who were never in labor;*because more are the children*of the desolate*woman than of her who has a husband," says the LORD.*
Remember I just showed you where Paul said this is OUR MOTHER.
AND who is it in Isaiah 66 that gives birth to her children??

8*Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seensuch things? Can a country be born in a day*or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children.*

That's right, ZION GIVES BIRTH to her children and just like Galatians 4 and Isaiah 54 says, THIS IS OUR MOTHER.

These children born are the children of promise, Abraham's seed, which is Christ and those who belong to him. These are the Children of Zion.

If you don't see it that's cool. But I'm just telling you, those who you think descended from Abraham are the very ones Jesus declared were not Abraham's descendants, he said their Father was the devil, if Abraham was their father they would have listened to him.