"Boast"--the favorite charge of Judaizers against those who disagree with them.
Well said, sir, well said.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sltaylor again.
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Well said, sir, well said.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sltaylor again.
'Well said itching ears Elin', when someone has come back to their Good senses of the Holy Scripture after a 'Good fight' of justifying the written 'context', for CHRIST, in order to 'built up' ignorance ones, sound doctrine Grace and Truth of the New Testament/Covenant, who say they already know but have not 'testified' them well, as they should, for they have forgotten them in 'context', where we had to 'remind and stir up one's memory', 'period'.
i am not the only 'witness' who have done that to your 'lover', for it only takes two or three 'witnesses' to justify a case, period.
Good-by for now.
i am not the only 'witness' who have done that to your 'lover', for it only takes two or three 'witnesses' to justify a case, period.
Good-by for now.
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sltaylor
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'Well said itching ears Elin', when someone has come back to their Good senses of the Holy Scripture after a 'Good fight' of justifying the written 'context', for CHRIST, in order to 'built up' ignorance ones, sound doctrine Grace and Truth of the New Testament/Covenant, who say they already know but have not 'testified' them well, as they should, for they have forgotten them in 'context', where we had to 'remind and stir up one's memory', 'period'.
i am not the only 'witness' who have done that to your 'lover', for it only takes two or three 'witnesses' to justify a case, period.
Good-by for now.
Fred, as a brother in Christ I humbly as you to please see there is no enmity between you and I.
I feel as though I offended you earlier on in some way, which was not my Intent.
The Church has not replaced Israel man. I'm saying whomever is grafted into Christ becomes the one flock, from both families, the Jews and Christians in Christ are the house of God. Anyone who comes to Christ must first listen to his words and accept what he says. It's only then do they become or remain grafted into the family, the one flock.
Has All Israel been made envious yet? I don't believe so sir, and I don't think they will actually be made that way until they see some proof of our reward. And please see, I'm not boasting in saying that.
Those still living as prisoners of sin are Hagars children. And while it not only applies to the Present city of Jerusalem, it applies for the whole world as well man. If they are not set free from their bondage to sin, they will not share in the inheritance. I believe there are many who will not believe without seeing....but that doesn't mean they won't be saved in the End. Israel must be made envious man, and you and I both know how many currently count us Christians as poor and confused to this very day.
But many do come to Christ, and I pray they All do. Just as you and I have both done such things. And I agree with you, a man must remain in the vine to be fruitful, or he is in danger of being cast off.
The fruits of the spirit are well defined; kindness, love, peace and joy, against such things there are no laws, and in the vine we go forth and bear much fruit in keeping with those qualities of goodness in the spirit.
We must bear fruit and remain in the vine, and the Jews must accept Christ, which means they must see how he has already came and suffered and there are MILLIONS who do not see that. Does that mean they wont? Absolutley not, they must be made envious first though, and envy requires a bit of jealousy. Will they all do it? I don't know, only God knows. It talks about a remnant returning, how many is that? I don't know if anyone knows that.
So I will ask you, out of humility and respect because of your knowledge of the Jews, what has made Israel envious? And I'm not setting you up in any way, it is a legitimate question I have. Have they, or what will it be that makes them envious of us, because in my opinion, that requires a realization of the reward to those in Christ.
So let's please end this back and forth arguing, if we see things differently that's ok, you have every right to believe whatever you want.
God's love to you man.
Fred, as a brother in Christ I humbly as you to please see there is no enmity between you and I.
I feel as though I offended you earlier on in some way, which was not my Intent.
The Church has not replaced Israel man. I'm saying whomever is grafted into Christ becomes the one flock, from both families, the Jews and Christians in Christ are the house of God. Anyone who comes to Christ must first listen to his words and accept what he says. It's only then do they become or remain grafted into the family, the one flock.
Has All Israel been made envious yet? I don't believe so sir, and I don't think they will actually be made that way until they see some proof of our reward. And please see, I'm not boasting in saying that.
Those still living as prisoners of sin are Hagars children. And while it not only applies to the Present city of Jerusalem, it applies for the whole world as well man. If they are not set free from their bondage to sin, they will not share in the inheritance. I believe there are many who will not believe without seeing....but that doesn't mean they won't be saved in the End. Israel must be made envious man, and you and I both know how many currently count us Christians as poor and confused to this very day.
But many do come to Christ, and I pray they All do. Just as you and I have both done such things. And I agree with you, a man must remain in the vine to be fruitful, or he is in danger of being cast off.
The fruits of the spirit are well defined; kindness, love, peace and joy, against such things there are no laws, and in the vine we go forth and bear much fruit in keeping with those qualities of goodness in the spirit.
We must bear fruit and remain in the vine, and the Jews must accept Christ, which means they must see how he has already came and suffered and there are MILLIONS who do not see that. Does that mean they wont? Absolutley not, they must be made envious first though, and envy requires a bit of jealousy. Will they all do it? I don't know, only God knows. It talks about a remnant returning, how many is that? I don't know if anyone knows that.
So I will ask you, out of humility and respect because of your knowledge of the Jews, what has made Israel envious? And I'm not setting you up in any way, it is a legitimate question I have. Have they, or what will it be that makes them envious of us, because in my opinion, that requires a realization of the reward to those in Christ.
So let's please end this back and forth arguing, if we see things differently that's ok, you have every right to believe whatever you want.
God's love to you man.
This is what i 'testified' earlier about you 'sir sltaylor', that over the time of all our 'discussion', you and others have misunderstood us and me until now, and you take your replies to a whole new level time after time, until our guided 'Good fight' brought to your 'Good senses' to make peace.
Is anyone 'harmed' or 'hurt' by our 'Good fight' to defend the written Holy Scripture, 'as it is written' and 'in context'?
No, we just get only 'offended' by them for they are GOD's and they are 'sharper than any double edged sword', which 'discovers' and 'expose' us and we cannot hide anything from HIM, which we are capable of doing with each other.
My replies to you is based on this written Holy Scripture, and not at all what you are 'thinking' and trying to 'fish out' from me, in a kind way, that;
"All Scripture are breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every good work."
And that is what you have 'received' and have come again with a change of heart and honor the Christian Jews who undeniably honor the Christian Gentiles, due to 'equally' forgiven, purchased, accepted and arrayed with GOD's promises of 'calling' and given 'talents', in order 'to serve others and not to be served by others', as unworthy and undeserving servants.
But comes to the Gardener's decision about the 'branches', which are 'part of the tree' or 'grafted' on that 'cultivated olive tree', HE has already decided in time to come only to cut off again 'unfruitful grafted branches' and it is written going to happen to them and for they have not understood and receive well from the 'root', but they have remained in their own 'pride' and 'conceit' still 'wild nature' forgetting their 'beginning', like 'hagar', amongst ignorantly. The 'root' did time and time again supply 'nutrient' to these 'branches' but was 'ignored'.
Are all Gentile Christian, even you, who are the ones, 'may lose' their Salvation, according to the 'Gardener', can boldly say to GOD, they are 'free' from sin or shamefully say they are still 'bond' to sin?
If one confesses to GOD after being 'born again' for some time, as a 'witnessing' Christian that they are still bond to sin, proves they still belong to the 'bond women hagar' and they are the majority 'lukewarm' hypocrites, even today whom will be 'cut off'. This church has 'replaced GOD's written New Covenant/Testament Israel' and in their 'drunkeness' that equals to 'lawlessness'. They were 'not wise builders' according to Matthew 7; 26, 27.
And if another confesses they are 'free', proves they belong to the free women and they are 'minority' genuine, who will 'remain'. This church have not swayed to the left or right and replaced Israel of the written New Covenant/Testament, but embraced them in 'fear' and 'reverence' first of all those who were 'cut off' for their 'acceptance' and further 'abide' in the teachings of those who 'remain', from Apostle Matthew to Apostle John of Revelation and bear much fruit and they also made sure their fruit too 'abide'. They welcome the four Gospel in 'context', where the 'root' fed them this in the beginning, according to John 8; 31, 32 and henceforth. And also as 'wise builders', Matthew 7; 24. 25.
This is more 'profitable' for one's submission and obedient to HIS 'every Word', Jew or Gentile 'born again' Christians so that not to be rejected at the end, of all that we have labored in our redeemed lives, using our given 'talents', HIM saying; "Depart from me you workers of lawlessness.". Rather than proudly bragging GOD's 'acceptance', 'equality' and 'office', proclaiming them in worthiness and deservingness in 'testimonies' being of the 'bond women' ignoring submission and obedience, even Jews with 'eligibility' dare not 'boast' or 'brag' from he Holy Scripture, for they are more towards submission and obedience to HIS 'every Word' and that is why they also 'gladly' die 'submissive' and 'obedient' being part of the 'free women'.
This is 'posted' for everyone to 'witness', where do you 'stand' in 'excel righteousness' of the teachings of our LORD JESUS CHRIST written in the New Covenant/Testament for our 'witnessing' as our faith lesson knowledge and practices, as practitioners persevering and conquering forsaking 'self'.
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sltaylor
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Ok Fred.
For anyone who wants to get back to the OP, the prophets referred to the church as being the Children of Zion, just see Gal 4 and Isaiah 54. We are the children of the barren woman, which is Israel.
For anyone who wants to get back to the OP, the prophets referred to the church as being the Children of Zion, just see Gal 4 and Isaiah 54. We are the children of the barren woman, which is Israel.
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sltaylor
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Galatians 4:26*But the Jerusalem that is above*is free, and she is our mother.*27*For it is written:
The Future Glory of ZION, of ZION EVERYONE; THIS IS WHAT PAUL QUOTES, AND IT IS THIS ZION PAUL SAID IS OUR MOTHER:
Isaiah 54:1*"Sing, O barren woman,*you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy,*you who were never in labor;*because more are the children*of the desolate*woman than of her who has a husband," says the LORD.*
Now how about the Children of this heavenly Jerusalem called Zion:
ISAIAH 54:3*For you will spread out to the right and to the left; your descendants*will dispossess nations and settle in their desolate*cities.*13*All your sons will be taught by the LORD,*and great will be your children's peace.*
NOW let's see what else Isaiah says about ZION'S CHILDREN.
Isaiah 66:8 Yet no sooner is ZION in labor than she gives birth to HER CHILDREN.
THIS IS STILL THE SAME ZION OF ISAIAH 54 PEOPLE.
What else about us as her children:
ISAIAH 66:11-*For you will nurseand be satisfied at her comforting breasts;*you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance."
12*For this is what the LORD says: "I will extend peace*to her like a river,*and the wealth*of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carriedon her arm and dandled on her knees.
13*As a mother comforts her child,*so will I comfort*you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem."
14*When you see this, your heart will rejoice*and you will flourish*like grass; the hand*of the LORD will be made known to his servants".
This is the Zion above, we are those children, this is how the prophets who spoke of our Salvation talked to us in the OT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD.
The Future Glory of ZION, of ZION EVERYONE; THIS IS WHAT PAUL QUOTES, AND IT IS THIS ZION PAUL SAID IS OUR MOTHER:
Isaiah 54:1*"Sing, O barren woman,*you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy,*you who were never in labor;*because more are the children*of the desolate*woman than of her who has a husband," says the LORD.*
Now how about the Children of this heavenly Jerusalem called Zion:
ISAIAH 54:3*For you will spread out to the right and to the left; your descendants*will dispossess nations and settle in their desolate*cities.*13*All your sons will be taught by the LORD,*and great will be your children's peace.*
NOW let's see what else Isaiah says about ZION'S CHILDREN.
Isaiah 66:8 Yet no sooner is ZION in labor than she gives birth to HER CHILDREN.
THIS IS STILL THE SAME ZION OF ISAIAH 54 PEOPLE.
What else about us as her children:
ISAIAH 66:11-*For you will nurseand be satisfied at her comforting breasts;*you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance."
12*For this is what the LORD says: "I will extend peace*to her like a river,*and the wealth*of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carriedon her arm and dandled on her knees.
13*As a mother comforts her child,*so will I comfort*you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem."
14*When you see this, your heart will rejoice*and you will flourish*like grass; the hand*of the LORD will be made known to his servants".
This is the Zion above, we are those children, this is how the prophets who spoke of our Salvation talked to us in the OT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD.
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...... Has Israel been made envious by us yet? I honestly don't think they have. .....
just popped into this post, and the reply is only to this.
Israel has nothing to be envious of, seeing the world chruches.
Read Richard Wurmbrand "Tortured for Christ", if you can find it, and his other testimony about how he was saved.
He was Jewish before the war.
He had rejected the 'jesus' of worldly chruches, because the worldly chruches did not stick to GOD'S WORD.(they directly oppose it in many places).
and the Jews see and know this. (the ones who know TORAH).
an old man in the mountains of switzerland or elsewhere, prayed to GOD, "send me a Jew to witness to, because i am too old and unable to go somewhere else to do so."
and GOD sent Richard Wurmbrand to him(to the old man).
the old man told Richard Wurmbrand
the truth
about yahshua hamashiach the messiah savior king of Israel from the TORAH (Old Testament) AND NT,
and
the truth
about the LOVE OF GOD poured out through yahshua hamashiach, all from SCRIPTURE and correctly so.
and Richard Wurmbrand saw that he spoke the truth, in line with all of SCRIPTURE, and not like the world chruches,
and that he(the old man) also lived the truth, and did not just talk about something he didn't live like the world chruches do (i.e. the old man was honest, true in heart, true to GOD, and not pretending).
anyway,
in the book of acts, the Jews were envious of yahshua the savior messiah king and of his followers who lived as disciples of yahshua, abiding in him, in union with ABBA YAHWEH, Father God in heaven...
>> see in ACTS, EPHESIANS, COLOSSIANS, PHILIPPIANS and REVELATION how the disciples of yahshua live in line with all of scripture, and not at all like the world chruches...
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sltaylor
Guest
This is what i 'testified' earlier about you 'sir sltaylor', that over the time of all our 'discussion', you and others have misunderstood us and me until now, and you take your replies to a whole new level time after time, until our guided 'Good fight' brought to your 'Good senses' to make peace.
Is anyone 'harmed' or 'hurt' by our 'Good fight' to defend the written Holy Scripture, 'as it is written' and 'in context'?
No, we just get only 'offended' by them for they are GOD's and they are 'sharper than any double edged sword', which 'discovers' and 'expose' us and we cannot hide anything from HIM, which we are capable of doing with each other.
My replies to you is based on this written Holy Scripture, and not at all what you are 'thinking' and trying to 'fish out' from me, in a kind way, that;
"All Scripture are breathed out by GOD and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of GOD may be competent, equipped for every good work."
And that is what you have 'received' and have come again with a change of heart and honor the Christian Jews who undeniably honor the Christian Gentiles, due to 'equally' forgiven, purchased, accepted and arrayed with GOD's promises of 'calling' and given 'talents', in order 'to serve others and not to be served by others', as unworthy and undeserving servants.
But comes to the Gardener's decision about the 'branches', which are 'part of the tree' or 'grafted' on that 'cultivated olive tree', HE has already decided in time to come only to cut off again 'unfruitful grafted branches' and it is written going to happen to them and for they have not understood and receive well from the 'root', but they have remained in their own 'pride' and 'conceit' still 'wild nature' forgetting their 'beginning', like 'hagar', amongst ignorantly. The 'root' did time and time again supply 'nutrient' to these 'branches' but was 'ignored'.
Are all Gentile Christian, even you, who are the ones, 'may lose' their Salvation, according to the 'Gardener', can boldly say to GOD, they are 'free' from sin or shamefully say they are still 'bond' to sin?
If one confesses to GOD after being 'born again' for some time, as a 'witnessing' Christian that they are still bond to sin, proves they still belong to the 'bond women hagar' and they are the majority 'lukewarm' hypocrites, even today whom will be 'cut off'. This church has 'replaced GOD's written New Covenant/Testament Israel' and in their 'drunkeness' that equals to 'lawlessness'. They were 'not wise builders' according to Matthew 7; 26, 27.
And if another confesses they are 'free', proves they belong to the free women and they are 'minority' genuine, who will 'remain'. This church have not swayed to the left or right and replaced Israel of the written New Covenant/Testament, but embraced them in 'fear' and 'reverence' first of all those who were 'cut off' for their 'acceptance' and further 'abide' in the teachings of those who 'remain', from Apostle Matthew to Apostle John of Revelation and bear much fruit and they also made sure their fruit too 'abide'. They welcome the four Gospel in 'context', where the 'root' fed them this in the beginning, according to John 8; 31, 32 and henceforth. And also as 'wise builders', Matthew 7; 24. 25.
This is more 'profitable' for one's submission and obedient to HIS 'every Word', Jew or Gentile 'born again' Christians so that not to be rejected at the end, of all that we have labored in our redeemed lives, using our given 'talents', HIM saying; "Depart from me you workers of lawlessness.". Rather than proudly bragging GOD's 'acceptance', 'equality' and 'office', proclaiming them in worthiness and deservingness in 'testimonies' being of the 'bond women' ignoring submission and obedience, even Jews with 'eligibility' dare not 'boast' or 'brag' from he Holy Scripture, for they are more towards submission and obedience to HIS 'every Word' and that is why they also 'gladly' die 'submissive' and 'obedient' being part of the 'free women'.
This is 'posted' for everyone to 'witness', where do you 'stand' in 'excel righteousness' of the teachings of our LORD JESUS CHRIST written in the New Covenant/Testament for our 'witnessing' as our faith lesson knowledge and practices, as practitioners persevering and conquering forsaking 'self'.
Romans 7:18*"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.*For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.*
19*For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing.*
20*Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.*
21*So I find this law at work:When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.*
22*For in my inner being*I delight in God's law;*
23*but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging waragainst the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin*at work within my members.*
24*What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?*
25Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!*So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law,*but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."
Paul confessed he struggled with sin after the revelation of Christ.
We all still sin sir, but we now become conscious of these things and try to put that side still living in us to death.
I can see how the Jews will be envious from all your posts. Nothing you said 'convinced' me of anything other than that.
We all sin and fall short of the Glory.
Ok Fred.
For anyone who wants to get back to the OP, the prophets referred to the church as being the Children of Zion, just see Gal 4 and Isaiah 54. We are the children of the barren woman, which is Israel.
Yes 'sir' it is true and of the truth, that is, 'by Grace through faith', one's adoption(grafted) and acceptance(as sons and daughters), added to the existing family to be treated as equal and given similar honor as given to the biological children at the Parent's will and request.
Adopted Gentiles have got and get them all, as all the remained faithful children have got and get from their biological FATHER, no doubt about it and no argument as well, for they are written in the Covenant/Testament, made by the FATHER through HIS eldest SON, given to HIS forgiven children, Jew or Gentile Christians. Most of us are well aware of them already, but if the adopted/grafted Gentile ones cannot keep up to their 'reputation', in submission and obedience to the moral knowledge of the FATHER given to them all 'equally' and also in humble and humility daily labor using that moral as guide, over the years, along side with the remained faithful renewed children Israel, will be 'once again' be 'cut off' forever in punishment.
Are you not over the years of being a Christian fearfully concern at all about that now highlighted and 'witness' awareness to others who do not know?
Please honestly tell me, how may Gentile Christians today know this possible 'scary disown departure forever' may soon happen to them?
What are you going on about in your reply and calling others who also 'weak' like you for 'reunion', striving about the same 'milk' meal 'boasting', as a babe in CHRIST would and furthermore this everyone do commonly get in any modern day churches in their sermons.
But 'wake up' to the 'signs of the time', where we as unworthy servants in CHRIST's concern what the FATHER is about to do as 'proclaimed' and 'prophesied' by the Apostle Paul in Romans chapter 11, are talking and witnessing 'meat' meals here that are also given for the adopted children to 'reconsider' their 'static' ignorance. In love we are cautioning possible 'rejection' surprisingly to come when the destined time is up and to proclaim the truth, in the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST, that this you do not commonly or never get at all, in any modern day churches.
In love they do not want you to leave the church after hearing these kind of sermons and when a invited man of GOD does, he is not welcomed again, and also when a Pastor does, the committee and church authority gets rid of them. But surely they don't mind GOD's lambs and sheep which HE has purchased and placed under their custody, possibly end up in Hell.
In the name of LORD JESUS CHRIST may GOD forgive HIS ignorant placed 'leaders' over HIS church and bless them boldness professing Grace and Truth in 'context'.
Do truly and whole heartedly 'abide' in the words/teachings of LORD JESUS CHRIST according to the written New Covenant/Testament to consider you 'free' from re-sin against HIS written and given New Covenant?
Then you have every right to 'boast' to others and me all that you are over and over again 'boasting', even quoting many more Holy Scripture in support to you claims.
Sadly, what a discouraging way to 'witness' one of many 'rotten fruits' in the church of GOD, by and for CHRIST, waiting for the 'pruning' time of the Gardener.
Even if JESUS is the one talking and cautioning you and others who are ignorant regarding important 'hazards' in the Holy Sripture, you together with them would rather teach HIM instead the Holy Scripture, just to 'shut HIS up'.
Romans 7:18*"I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.*For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.*
19*For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do--this I keep on doing.*
20*Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.*
21*So I find this law at work:When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.*
22*For in my inner being*I delight in God's law;*
23*but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging waragainst the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin*at work within my members.*
24*What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?*
25Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord!*So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law,*but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."
Paul confessed he struggled with sin after the revelation of Christ.
We all still sin sir, but we now become conscious of these things and try to put that side still living in us to death.
I can see how the Jews will be envious from all your posts. Nothing you said 'convinced' me of anything other than that.
We all sin and fall short of the Glory.
Apostle Paul did not live on, nor teach us to live on, like you and others who agree with you still believe, according to Romans chapter 7, being still in bondage to sin and death and are children of that 'bond women hagar'. He and us moved on to chapter 8, being freed by the Law of the SPIRIT of liberty and henceforth live according to verse 4-8. And assuredly those 'original branches' who will remain forever in the 'cultivated olive tree' according to Romans chapter 11, do know this and 'work out' on this.
But do you who will be 'cut off' one day know this, and together 'working out' oneness with us on this, with our LORD JESUS CHRIST, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT?
How can it be when you are 'backwards', still remain bound in carnal/flesh/self according to Romans chapter 7 and still of that 'bond woman' and not yet set free. Or may be you were set free in the beginning but once again fallen back into bondage of carnal/flesh/self's passions and desires.
How possibly blind you can be since you have posed yourself as a 'skill full' builder using the Holy Scripture of the HOLY BIBLE quoting from here and there and everywhere, yet lack in sound doctrine knowledge in 'building management' yourself, to even 'cheekily' say that 'born again' Jews are envious of 'born again Gentiles?
What do you have that they don't have for them to be envious of you?
Yet they have one advantage over you and the world, they will remain forever and ever, Amen.
Another 'counterfeit' and 'imposter' who have 'twisted' Apostle Paul's teaching, as Apostle Peter warned n his 'epistle' about such would do this to Paul's teaching.
Witnessing lambs and sheep for only CHRIST of the New Covenant/Testament and HIS unworthy servants in service to you, please do take note of what is happening here, to discover who is envious of who and disputing and need correction for repentance and not future condemnation to come?
Apostle Paul actually meant in his teaching that the 'Jews with unbelief' by the will and purpose and plan of GOD, HE caused them to be 'envious' of the Gentiles who HE have reached out to and made them co-heirs, that's it. In their 'unbelief' they do not know the 're-cutting off' of unfruitful Gentiles, that only Christian Jews do.
And they have only helped another 'equal' fellow Christian 'citizen' in love, givng them an advice using the Holy Scripture as well, not to be proud and boasting over and over again their adoption and ideal on that. But rather move on to the 'workouts' possessing such positions, because if they are not 'careful' and are 'careless', there are written facts of 'consequences' that are dealt with by the owner Himself in time to come and once and for all for HIS Holy one's sake. We are only calling such to repent(stop and turn back), rather than going on ahead of CHRIST our MASTER's teaching/word and 'abiding'.
Please do not take this as one discriminating another, no, but HIS unworthy servants on duty, are just placing 'in order' the 'Potter's vessels' according to their places, designed and decided by their MASTER.
Period....................................................................................................
Apostle Paul did not live on, nor teach us to live on, like you and others who agree with you still believe, according to Romans chapter 7, being still in bondage to sin and death and are children of that 'bond women hagar'. He and us moved on to chapter 8, being freed by the Law of the SPIRIT of liberty and henceforth live according to verse 4-8. And assuredly those 'original branches' who will remain forever in the 'cultivated olive tree' according to Romans chapter 11, do know this and 'work out' on this.
But do you who will be 'cut off' one day know this, and together 'working out' oneness with us on this, with our LORD JESUS CHRIST, by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT?
How can it be when you are 'backwards', still remain bound in carnal/flesh/self according to Romans chapter 7 and still of that 'bond woman' and not yet set free. Or may be you were set free in the beginning but once again fallen back into bondage of carnal/flesh/self's passions and desires.
How possibly blind you can be since you have posed yourself as a 'skill full' builder using the Holy Scripture of the HOLY BIBLE quoting from here and there and everywhere, yet lack in sound doctrine knowledge in 'building management' yourself, to even 'cheekily' say that 'born again' Jews are envious of 'born again Gentiles?
What do you have that they don't have for them to be envious of you?
Yet they have one advantage over you and the world, they will remain forever and ever, Amen.
Another 'counterfeit' and 'imposter' who have 'twisted' Apostle Paul's teaching, as Apostle Peter warned n his 'epistle' about such would do this to Paul's teaching.
Witnessing lambs and sheep for only CHRIST of the New Covenant/Testament and HIS unworthy servants in service to you, please do take note of what is happening here, to discover who is envious of who and disputing and need correction for repentance and not future condemnation to come?
Apostle Paul actually meant in his teaching that the 'Jews with unbelief' by the will and purpose and plan of GOD, HE caused them to be 'envious' of the Gentiles who HE have reached out to and made them co-heirs, that's it. In their 'unbelief' they do not know the 're-cutting off' of unfruitful Gentiles, that only Christian Jews do.
And they have only helped another 'equal' fellow Christian 'citizen' in love, givng them an advice using the Holy Scripture as well, not to be proud and boasting over and over again their adoption and ideal on that. But rather move on to the 'workouts' possessing such positions, because if they are not 'careful' and are 'careless', there are written facts of 'consequences' that are dealt with by the owner Himself in time to come and once and for all for HIS Holy one's sake. We are only calling such to repent(stop and turn back), rather than going on ahead of CHRIST our MASTER's teaching/word and 'abiding'.
Please do not take this as one discriminating another, no, but HIS unworthy servants on duty, are just placing 'in order' the 'Potter's vessels' according to their places, designed and decided by their MASTER.
Period....................................................................................................
Are you a comedian of some sort? Because this is a joke. It would be funny if it weren't so sad...
If you were walking after the Spirit, and not the flesh (Romans 8), you would know that there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ.
You are upset, and your pride is hurt, precisely because you are following after the flesh and your carnal understanding.
Galatians 3:27-29
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Still trying to separate Jews and Gentiles, even Christian Jews and Gentiles, is a silly, carnal thing to do. But I suppose it is what carnal Jews are trained to do. Even Peter had that problem, once...
Galatians 4:25-26
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
How does a born again Jew not understand what Christ has done for all man-kind? The jew is still better because he was taught that from an early age?
Did you know that all racists think they are better than people of other races and its all because of carnal reasons? Some might think they are spiritual reasons, but they never are.
Acts 10:24-25
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Are you a comedian of some sort? Because this is a joke. It would be funny if it weren't so sad...
If you were walking after the Spirit, and not the flesh (Romans 8), you would know that there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ.
You are upset, and your pride is hurt, precisely because you are following after the flesh and your carnal understanding.
Galatians 3:27-29
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Still trying to separate Jews and Gentiles, even Christian Jews and Gentiles, is a silly, carnal thing to do. But I suppose it is what carnal Jews are trained to do. Even Peter had that problem, once...
Galatians 4:25-26
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
How does a born again Jew not understand what Christ has done for all man-kind? The jew is still better because he was taught that from an early age?
Did you know that all racists think they are better than people of other races and its all because of carnal reasons? Some might think they are spiritual reasons, but they never are.
Acts 10:24-25
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Please with all due respect to you, go and read Romans chapter 11, who will be 'cut off' before you come and judge this undeserving 'comedian' servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Repent and stop being 'proud' about your calling, for i have the same calling and i am only testifying 'as it is written' and understoon in 'context' by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, period.
Those are not the only Holy Scripture for you to 'boast' about but there are others to 'consider' too to make sure our 'calling', for there is a chance you will be 'cut off' in such rotten 'behavior' who just 'stepped in' into this 'discussion'.
Please go and 'view' all that has been 'shared' in order to 'built up' ignorance and know who is the 'comedian' and 'clown'.
GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.
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sltaylor
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Please with all due respect to you, go and read Romans chapter 11, who will be 'cut off' before you come and judge this undeserving 'comedian' servant of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Repent and stop being 'proud' about your calling, for i have the same calling and i am only testifying 'as it is written' and understoon in 'context' by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT, period.
Those are not the only Holy Scripture for you to 'boast' about but there are others to 'consider' too to make sure our 'calling', for there is a chance you will be 'cut off' in such rotten 'behavior' who just 'stepped in' into this 'discussion'.
Please go and 'view' all that has been 'shared' in order to 'built up' ignorance and know who is the 'comedian' and 'clown'.
GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST bless you.
All one in Christ Fred. God bless
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sltaylor
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Just read Romans 11 AGAIN. THOSE who remain in God's kindness remain in the vine, and if Israel doesn't remain in unbelief, they will be grafted back in.
Still one house, we are all God's elect in the vine according to this verse:
7*What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain,*but the ELECT did.
God's Elect are Abraham's seed in Christ.
To be descended from Abraham, is different than being his seed. Even Jesus said that, he told them that Abraham was their father, then turned right around and said that the devil was their Father - John 10.
There's a difference between human geneology, and being born by the spirit, those children of promise are REGARDED as Abraham's descendants, and are heirs according to the promise. It's not a boast to say one MUST be born Again.
It's by grace, not by anything Else Fred.
Still one house, we are all God's elect in the vine according to this verse:
7*What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain,*but the ELECT did.
God's Elect are Abraham's seed in Christ.
To be descended from Abraham, is different than being his seed. Even Jesus said that, he told them that Abraham was their father, then turned right around and said that the devil was their Father - John 10.
There's a difference between human geneology, and being born by the spirit, those children of promise are REGARDED as Abraham's descendants, and are heirs according to the promise. It's not a boast to say one MUST be born Again.
It's by grace, not by anything Else Fred.
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All one in Christ Fred. God bless
As it is written 3 times in the epistle of Hebrews and meditate this three times into your mind, before you are 'cut off'' for Good since you have not been 'listening' and 'paying attention' to HIS 'every word', 'as a reminder and a stir up of memory' but rather 'repeating', in other word 'boasting' about one's Jew or Gentile Salvation's 'eligibility', 'worthiness' and 'deservingness', 'equal' with the 'House of Jacob/Israel', which Apostle Paul already cautioned Gentile Christians in Romans chapter 11, not to be 'proud braggers' about their Salvation that they 'did earn and get', that;
"If you hear GOD's voice today, do not be heart harden, for you will never enter HIS place of rest." (3x)
After repeatedly receiving the 'Sword of the SPIRIT', the Pharisees 'device' each time new ways to 'trick' and 'capture' JESUS in HIS teaching, even using the Holy Scripture themselves, until desperately they had to use 'scape goats' to bear false witness in order to persecute HIM.
Keep on in 'lawlessness/sin', behaving like 'one with them who opposed JESUS Nazareth and HIS teaching', in the same 'character' and 'method', so 'heart harden', with 'no room' in our hearts to feel ashamed and repent, even after re-receiving HIS teaching, in also of 'correction', in order for us to be 'built up' in added/supplemented 'nutrients' from the 'root' to our faith.
JESUS is saying again 'as a reminder and astir up of memory' to all believers Jews or Gentiles 'equally', who try to be wise like Peter then, who was harshly corrected in 'rebuking,' for the deception of the his flesh's heart, to 'act' apart and against the written Holy Scripture, to boldly even stop JESUS's word/teaching/sayings, that must 'take place and come to pass', that;
"Get behind me satan, for everything written in the Scripture 'must happen', for you think like everyone else."
Do Gentile Christians ever learn from Apostle Peter's 'rebuking' in lesson, not to again 'act' apart and against the written Holy Scripture in 'context', even Romans chapter 11 of JESUS, given through HIS chosen 'instrument' Apostle Paul to and for the Gentile churches, in also 'cautioning' them not to be 'wild' and 'ignorant' and 'arrogant' and 'proud' and 'conceit' and 'deceived' by carnal/flesh/self's 'passions' and 'desires' once again, after being washed clean and 'arrayed' with GOD's wealth, for all must 'take place and come to pass'.
As it is written;
"If you hear GOD's voice today, do not be heart harden, for you will never enter HIS place of rest."
As it is also written, must take place and come to pass. that;
"Every 'foundation' will be tested with fire."
Want to make excuse being 'bound' to sin and keep on putting the blame on 'weakness' of the flesh, and continue to enjoy life of carnal/flesh/self's passions and desires with the world life partially and Christianity 'pick' and 'choose' the best parts of the Holy Scripture to suite and support one's still bond to sin and credibility life partially?
What a bunch of 'limping on one leg' and 'lukewarm' comedians witnessing their 'hilarious' faith, whose attention 'remain' 'divided' until today, and 'as it is written' the 'parable' of JESUS in the Gospel, about 'a sower and the seeds', JESUS is saying about one particular ground where the 'lukewarm' Christians are upon receiving their 'calling'(through the seeds sowing), that;
"And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and the riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature."
In the KJV version, after finishing this 'parable', JESUS 'wept'. Was HE weeping for the 'forth ground', or?
i witnessed that there are a lot of 'clever' and 'wise' believers in this forum to teach you the HOLY BIBLE, and so they are 'able to do math', what is being spoken here. If not they are blind and will remain blind and they will die with their sins unforgiven, truly period...........................................................................................?
As it is written;
"If you hear GOD's voice today, do not be heart harden, for you will never enter HIS place of rest."
GOD cannot be even more clearer to HIS 'stubborn' and 'hardheaded' people, calling them to 'repent' before decides. GOD cannot stop all that is written that 'must take place and come to pass' but HE can give us time to repent. But when the 'time is up', HE either 'cuts off' or 'divides', truly period...................................................................................
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Are you a comedian of some sort? Because this is a joke. It would be funny if it weren't so sad...
If you were walking after the Spirit, and not the flesh (Romans 8), you would know that there is neither Jew nor Greek in Christ.
You are upset, and your pride is hurt, precisely because you are following after the flesh and your carnal understanding.
Galatians 3:27-29
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Still trying to separate Jews and Gentiles, even Christian Jews and Gentiles, is a silly, carnal thing to do. But I suppose it is what carnal Jews are trained to do. Even Peter had that problem, once...
Galatians 4:25-26
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
How does a born again Jew not understand what Christ has done for all man-kind? The jew is still better because he was taught that from an early age?
Did you know that all racists think they are better than people of other races and its all because of carnal reasons? Some might think they are spiritual reasons, but they never are.
Acts 10:24-25
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Thanks Grandpa, I mean no boast, but apparently telling someone we are all one in Christ really upsets Fred.
He can't even see it IS a boast in the cross to say that. The power to save humanity by his work....ad he quotes the fire testing someone's work....as if the cross saving the whole world making everyone worthy ISN'T the foundation of John 3:16!
God bless
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