Sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job

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LOL Where are the dried up bones? Still missing?

Why would we need bones? When we have giants today?

 

[John146]

For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

 

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For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

How big were the hands that did the measuring?

You are assuming that the measurements were the same as today without variance.

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Did you ever go to a museum and see armor from the knights of 500 years ago?

The modern average person could not fit into the armor that those people wore, it would be too small.

Maybe a young person of 12 or 14 could fit into it, but not an adult.

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[SmallFish]

Was Goliath not a giant? And perhaps you should first prove that angels are called sons of God. It's you that is making thst claim yet nowhere in Scripture I see that this theory is supported.

 

[Shamah]

I apologize if I seem to be stringing things along, I wondered about this from the way you worded things in post #64 and was asking as to Eve being separated from Adam before or after he was placed in Eden/paradise/third heaven ect.. ,see Ezekiel 28:12-13,Luke 23:43,2 Corinthians 12:3-4 Revelation 2:7,Revelation 22:1-3 and then examine the events of Revelation chapter 12.

I apologize if this seems to be a short answer but another member has brought up Ezekiel 28(i thought you would) and i am curious as to how the other members will view the exact timing of Satan's casting out and tying to not say things that would lead to an oppinion but rather see how they form their own oppinions(I appologize if it seems odd,lol).

OK, now worries, I wass unsure of what you were saying be, I understand now.

OK so

I beleive Ez 28 is speaking of satan not Adam, as

Adam was naked and never had

v13 "Every precious stone was your covering: the ruby, topaz, and diamond, beryl, shoham, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald and gold"

Adam is a human not a kerub/cherub

v14
You were the anointed keruḇ that covered. And I placed you, you were on the set-apart mountain of Yah"

and Adam was never :thrown to earth"

v17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your loveliness, you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendour. I threw you to the earth, I laid you before sovereigns, to look at you."

Ibelieve this passge changes meaning due to COMMA placement:

I believe due to doctrine of the entire word this is correct:
Luke 23:43; 2
(23:43) And יהושע said to him, “Truly, I say to you today, you shall be with Me in paradise.”

I believe due to doctrine of the entire word thsi is not correct for it would contradict every other passge concening this topic
Luke 23:43; 2
(23:43) And יהושע said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you shall be with Me in paradise.”

This one was vision/in the spirit by Paul's own words:

2 Corinthians 12:1-4,1 To boast, indeed, is useless for me, for I shall go on to visions and revelations of יהוה."2 I know a man in Messiah who fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, Elohim knows – such a one was caught up to the third heaven."3 And I know such a man – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, Elohim knows –"4 that he was caught up into paradisea and heard unspeakable words, which it is not right for a man to speak. Footnote: aLit. garden."

Rev 2:7 is those who enter: Revelation 22:14

Revelation 22:1-3 is those who enter, Zechariah 14 If I remeber correctly...

Rev 12 I have studied many many times, there is a lot there...

 

[iamsoandso]

i don't think Adam and Satan are the same person(you seem to think i do),,,lol

 

[1ofthem]

I never heard of this fallen angel and women theory before coming on CC. So I really don't know all about it but I really don't believe it was angels.

1. I'm assuming all Angels appear as people when coming to speak with other people...even at Jesus tomb they called the angel a young man. That doesn't mean they are equipped to have sex just because they can look like people.
2. The men in Sodom and Gomorrah were attracted to the angels and wanted to have sex with the angels that doesn't mean that it was possible. God burnt the whole place up...so kinda weird if he allowed it to happen somewhere else before that.
3. How many times has God told men in the OT not to marry or take any wives from different tribes? Sons of God were probably just a big tall family of men and women that were following God to start with but fell for women of another tribes the Daughters of Men another tribe that wasn't following God. Or Vice a versa on the big tall part the Daughters of men could have been from a big tall family. Height is usually hereditary, though so I'm assuming one of the two were a tall family.

As far as the tall as trees part, I went to school with a guy that was almost 7 foot tall and his brother was like an inch shorter. Everyone said they were as tall as trees, but they weren't actually and I'm pretty sure they weren't half fallen angel/people either...lol

Just my thoughts on it anyhow.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yeah keep reading........the context does not end there! and the word HEIGHT is tied to the word...MAN...do you actually study or just Blather on without facts?

It is crystal clear that the Angels that are held in chains for judgement sinned in a sexual manner. What do these people that don't believe what Jude said think was the Angels sin?

And it baffles me why they can't stomach that angels took on human form, abandoning their heavenly bodies, and committed a heinous sin by having sex with human women. Why come up with these whack a doodle doctrines that it was Seth's Children that mated with unbelievers, and somehow their Children were mightier than the children of other men. Why believe that nonsense? Why are they so opposed to what the text say? I just don't get it.

Your guess is as good as mine.........the verbiage is clear......so is the verbiage of Genesis.....ALL flesh had corrupted ITSELF and Noah was forensically pure......look up the word as it carries that idea.....but hey....good luck opening anyone's eyes when they refuse to acknowledge the words inspired and used.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Notice the distinction between the sons of GOD and daughters of MEN. It is clear these are angels because if they were just men, there would be no distinction. These angels are the angels that "kept not their first estate"(Jude 1:6). Also, notice their offspring were giants.

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

These are the fallen angels because they are with Satan, who had also fallen, but remember that Satan is a Cherub (Ezekiel 28:14) and not an angel. He only appears as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14).

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

If you read in Job 38:4, you will see that this event was around the time God laid the foundations of the earth, which was before Adam or Seth was even around. The morning stars are angels like in Revelation 1:20. The sons of God are with the angels in Heaven singing and shouting. These sons of God are clearly not human, rather the angels.

Later on in the New Testament, the people that are saved are called the sons of God (Romans 8:14, 19; Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1) because we are to replace the fallen angels that fell and even help Jesus Christ judge them at the White Throne Judgment (1 Cor. 6:3). What is even more amazing is that when we are Raptured, our bodies will be glorified and fashioned like His body. Keep in mind that every angel in the Bible is a male, Jesus Christ was male and Adam who was made in the image of God was male (Genesis 1:26). Also, there will be no marriage in heaven (Mark 12:25).

1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

Amen...literally the Sons of God and the Daughters of ADAM.......

 

[LPT]

Genesis 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Notice the distinction between the sons of GOD and daughters of MEN. It is clear these are angels because if they were just men, there would be no distinction. These angels are the angels that "kept not their first estate"(Jude 1:6). Also, notice their offspring were giants.

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them."

Job 2:1 "Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD."

These are the fallen angels because they are with Satan, who had also fallen, but remember that Satan is a Cherub (Ezekiel 28:14) and not an angel. He only appears as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14).

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

If you read in Job 38:4, you will see that this event was around the time God laid the foundations of the earth, which was before Adam or Seth was even around. The morning stars are angels like in Revelation 1:20. The sons of God are with the angels in Heaven singing and shouting. These sons of God are clearly not human, rather the angels.

Later on in the New Testament, the people that are saved are called the sons of God (Romans 8:14, 19; Philippians 2:15, 1 John 3:1) because we are to replace the fallen angels that fell and even help Jesus Christ judge them at the White Throne Judgment (1 Cor. 6:3). What is even more amazing is that when we are Raptured, our bodies will be glorified and fashioned like His body. Keep in mind that every angel in the Bible is a male, Jesus Christ was male and Adam who was made in the image of God was male (Genesis 1:26). Also, there will be no marriage in heaven (Mark 12:25).

1 John 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

It says nothing of fallen angels, that is a manmade concept. we can't just add words or change words to fit a belief. as I said before satan tempt Jesus satan can appear among anyone. before the creation of man satan and demons were in heaven and were sons of God but they lost that title when they didn't want to honor the creation of man.

 

[dcontroversal]

Exaggerations of men comparing themselves to the sons of Anak. And yet another poetic prophecy in Amos. We have records of the height of these giants like Goliath.

Hilarious.....glad to see you reject the inspired men who wrote what was written.......no wonder you miss the mark so much HAH

 

[LPT]

For those who think there was no sons of God before the NT well Israel a son of God first born.

Exodus 4:22
Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, Israel is my firstborn son,

 

[LPT]

Abel, Moses, Noah, and slew of others were all sons of God for the listened to God.

 

[LPT]

I never heard of this fallen angel and women theory before coming on CC. So I really don't know all about it but I really don't believe it was angels.

1. I'm assuming all Angels appear as people when coming to speak with other people...even at Jesus tomb they called the angel a young man. That doesn't mean they are equipped to have sex just because they can look like people.
2. The men in Sodom and Gomorrah were attracted to the angels and wanted to have sex with the angels that doesn't mean that it was possible. God burnt the whole place up...so kinda weird if he allowed it to happen somewhere else before that.
3. How many times has God told men in the OT not to marry or take any wives from different tribes? Sons of God were probably just a big tall family of men and women that were following God to start with but fell for women of another tribes the Daughters of Men another tribe that wasn't following God. Or Vice a versa on the big tall part the Daughters of men could have been from a big tall family. Height is usually hereditary, though so I'm assuming one of the two were a tall family.

As far as the tall as trees part, I went to school with a guy that was almost 7 foot tall and his brother was like an inch shorter. Everyone said they were as tall as trees, but they weren't actually and I'm pretty sure they weren't half fallen angel/people either...lol

Just my thoughts on it anyhow.

That a good point if those fallen pukes/scum did do that, why are they not doing it today. mating with human women it wouldn't have stopped just like temptations and possessions still happen.

 

[LPT]

satan demons they are all scum not even worthy for toilet paper.

 

[dcontroversal]

That a good point if those fallen pukes/scum did do that, why are they not doing it today. mating with human women it wouldn't have stopped just like temptations and possessions still happen.

This is hilarious.....especially since you passed right over the following and gave no explanation....

Let us take this another direction as well....Logically that is.....most believe the following...

Sons of God <---Sethites or the lineage of believers
Daughters of men <---lost women

So....the saved men has sex with the lost women and the result was giants<----this is what YOU expect us to believe!

 

[1ofthem]

Exactly where does it say that there were no Giants in the earth and the first Giants were the spawn of Sons of God and Daughters of men.

KJV
Says there were giants in the earth in those days. Looks like one of those groups had some giants in it before they reproduced to me.
Genesis 6:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 

[LPT]

This is hilarious.....especially since you passed right over the following and gave no explanation....

Let us take this another direction as well....Logically that is.....most believe the following...

Sons of God <---Sethites or the lineage of believers
Daughters of men <---lost women

So....the saved men has sex with the lost women and the result was giants<----this is what YOU expect us to believe!

I don't expect anything from any man...

 

[dcontroversal]

I don't expect anything from any man...

Nice cope out and yes you do....ALL of you expect us to believe that Saved men had sex with lost women and the result was Giants....YOU have no other plausible explanation.......

 

[LPT]

Lets get it on...

Nice cope out and yes you do....ALL of you expect us to believe that Saved men had sex with lost women and the result was Giants....YOU have no other plausible explanation.......

Let's get it on... I'm done explaining you can defend the demons all you want...