Strange doctrines have crept in quietly

Blade · Jan 31, 2022

Is that what this thread is about "Copeland"? We should be careful where we walk here. If you have done it to the least of these my brethren (thats also you and me) you have done it unto me says Christ. We don't get to tell Christ who really is a believer, Apostle, Prophet. We test the spirits we make sure it all goes in line with the word of God.

Many years ago I heard about something they were said to believe and preach. On the out side that short video clip proved what they were saying about Copeland. Hmm I dove in a tad more and watched more then one video then me being no one called them ask just asked. Yeah it was nothing like they said. Same goes for the late Oral Roberts. When when was alive on this forum I was on SO many were going on about something he said. They had the video and what not but what got me as it does here is Oral Roberts was not there to speak up to even defend himself.. none of those believers even cared. So again me being no one talked to the man himself.. yeah.. odd huh GOD open those doors so I asked him.. WOW it was NOTHING like they said. All anyone had to do was ask them.

Do you know the GOOD they do? Well so far one here is talking about your own personal strange doctrines. Yes yes we all want to believe we don't believe wrong in ANYTHING.. haha yet we do sorry. Your just not in the light where everyone can watch you ..what you say what you do.

In this bible study I use to go to when I was like 15 I am 60 now. Wow... all the things that happen in that bible study. It was always "if we say anything that is not in the word of God do not believe us". That woman had so much power of God .. everyone said it saw it. So once I asked her about Copeland and this is as negative as she ever got "I listen to him I just don't agree with all he teaches". Yeah that was it. Never said one negative thing about anyone. It was always something good. We lived in the same city and I always called her.. I mean always (sad). She always heard from God. It ALWAYS happened. So I would as about the weather.. haha man I would have to go look out side because she always made it sound as if she was in heaven.

This kind of talk is wrong. The same was about another faith preacher but in every video link you name it and on Christian sites you never read a quote from him that he said over and over "if I get it wrong tell me I will repent and get it right". Odd huh. He said it more then once how could ANYONE miss it?

So what Copeland could be wrong.. ok so? Speak words of life. Wow you know the faults or sins what ever.. do you know as a believer all the GOOD so and so does? How can the light not know this first? I do.. of many of them. Why would I look at the sin.. I have my own.. mine is not haha better.. Christ forgives me 24/7.. maybe if He does not focus on my sins maybe I should not theirs and if I think they are missing it.. pray FOR them.. help them.. bind the enemy and his lies in JESUS NAME! Not letting the enemy hurt my family. Fact.. believers are more family then flesh and blood. Then ask.. as we read some of this.. WHY would anyone want your Jesus? Look how you treat others that don't agree with what you personally believe. Copeland was the only one that called when we had a fire here and their words "what do you need? What ever it us you ask we will get it to you no matter what it is just ask". How did they get my number? Was not giving to them. No other Christian church you name it called us.. it was HUGE fire here. All of us had to leave our homes.

Ask those around us just WHO called you

Then you start to search and.. wow they do this all the time in fires, floods, storms, earthquakes yet.. its one of those things they don't ever boast about. Didn't touch hospitals or prisons or 3rd world nations. Yet they are not perfect and sin fall like you and me.

Runningman · Jan 31, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

No one you would know I’m sure. You don’t even believe in spiritual gifts if I understood correctly. True prophets aren’t well-known due to their resistance to preaching itching-ears doctrines. They aren’t popular with mainstream Christianity either.

The unrepentant often resist them because the message from God for the wicked isn’t a nice request. It’s a shouting command and is uncompromising “Repent or perish.” Those are the only options. No one wants to hear that anymore.

Ogom · Jan 31, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

true prophets are revealed as one seeks - from God - the Truth.

Ogom · Jan 31, 2022

Runningman said:

Bible /Spiritual comprehension: Milk, herbs, Meat, strong Meat, ....

"for we know in part, and we prophesy in part..."

Nehemiah6 · Jan 31, 2022

Runningman said:

What gives you the right to tell others whether they have a form of godliness or not? But it should be very clear that false teachers such as Copeland definitely have false teachings. However if you love that nonsense no one will stop you.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 31, 2022

Ogom said:

True prophets (and apostles) are all in Scripture. The apostles and prophets have written everything necessary for us (2 Timothy 3:16,17). But if you have itching ears, no one will stop you.

studentoftheword · Jan 31, 2022

ResidentAlien said:

I say
Well just maybe you people don't research scripture to find the real truth -------you just like to Judge others before doing some investigation ----

I say
So lets look at the actual scriptures and look up some words -----and see where they lead us ---and you just might be surprised as to where they lead -----

So Acts 2 - -----this is the scripture that says what it says ------see verse 24

Acts 2:22-24 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you, by miracles, and wonders, and signs, which God did by him, in the midst of you, as you also know:

23 This same being delivered up, by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you by the hands of wicked men have crucified and slain.

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that he should be holden by it.

So if we look up the word Sorrow in this scripture ----it says this
Strong's Concordance
lupē
1) sorrow, grief, annoyance, affliction, pain of mind or spirit,
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Then we look at Matthew 27:46 ----where Jesus dies on the cross ---and says -----
Berean Study Bible

The Death of Jesus
45From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.

46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”

47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He is calling Elijah.”…
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I say ----------So lets look up the word FORSAKEN -----used in Matthew 27 ------

Strong's Concordance

egkataleipó: ----properly, left in a condition of lack ("without"); hence, to feel forsaken (helpless), like left in dire circumstances, by forsaking one to let hlm go into Hades, abandon unto Hades

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Another Scripture here ---Matthew 12:40 -----

Douay-Rheims Bible
For as Jonas was in the whale's belly three days and three nights: so shall the Son of man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.

Hebrew word for Heart used in this scripture ----Strong;s Concordance
kardia: heart
Usage: lit: the heart; mind, character, inner self, will, intention, center
used of the middle or central or inmost part of anything, even though inanimate: τῆς γῆς (which some understand of Hades Matthew 12:40

I say --------So could Jesus have gone to Hell and suffered ----looks like He might just have done that from these Scripture -----so just maybe Copeland is preaching truth -----

justbyfaith · Jan 31, 2022

2Co 5:21, For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Rom 6:9, Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10, For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Rom 14:9, For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Duckybill · Feb 1, 2022

Duckybill said:

ResidentAlien said:

How unChristian of you!

Ogom · Feb 1, 2022

@Nehemiah6 .... from #42 @Runningman

"True prophets aren’t well-known due to their resistance to preaching itching-ears doctrines. They aren’t popular with mainstream Christianity either.

The unrepentant often resist them because the message from God for the wicked isn’t a nice request. It’s a shouting command and is uncompromising..."

https://christianchat.com/threads/strange-doctrines-have-crept-in-quietly.203853/post-4763095

Runningman · Feb 1, 2022

Ogom said:

Yes, God hasn’t changed though the New Testament tends to take a different angle than the Old Testament. God is still a God of glory, righteousness, and sometimes wrath. Currently He’s exercising enduring patience and commanding all people repent and come to Christ. When no one else will come to Christ, and the church has been evacuated, the day of God’s wrath will come upon the people of planet Earth.

TheDivineWatermark · Feb 1, 2022

Runningman said:

So you're saying that you believe "the day of God's wrath" is on "a singular 24-hr day" (the day of Christ's return Rev19) and that all seven vials (of which are said, "For IN THEM the wrath of God IS COMPLETED" [note: not started and completed]) take place only on that ONE "singular 24-hour 'day'"... perhaps, say, within "seven minutes' time"?? [Rev16:2-21... all on one "singular 24-hr 'day'"??]

Ogom · Feb 1, 2022

@Nehemiah6

true Prophets speak the Truth of God. the truth is not Whole in many (most?) for we "know in part and we prophesy in part".

the closer one draws to God/ Christ, the more one could hear and know. this does not mean there aren't lesser levels of understanding we can start out on or that one well studied (correctly enough) doesn't have ways of knowledge too perhaps...

but only God knows everything and the correct understandings of All Things - All Together. and those drawing closer to God or learning from God the Truth of All Things (instead of Human reasoning and Thought applied to Scriptures, along with 'Inherited' Teachings and Understandings - Not all True) are learning true Truth more and more.

and wherever any - understand something correctly (according to the correct interpretation - from God - not Man), then in that teaching/ knowledge - they are true. but, that said, "we know in part and we prophesy in part". this could be part due to the level of understanding / wisdom one is coming from, or part - as what that person knows more about - a part of the Whole.

so we should not just believe someone else just because one teaching is right - according to the Spirit/ God as we sense / believe He is / has revealed to any of us at - the - level - we - are - at, but seek, ask, question, wonder, pray, become somewhat open-minded (as a Child). in other words - come to know / and understand what is true - from God (not from Man).

studentoftheword · Feb 1, 2022

Some Other False Doctrines being preached today by Regular Ministers in regular neighbour hood Churches sending their Flocks straight to their Spiritual Eternal Torment in their end and not caring one bit ----are

There is more than one way to Heaven ---
The Bible does not teach that people will be sent to hell
All people are God's Children --
As long as you serve your neighbour your heaven bound
Satan does not exist
It's OK to doubt God it strengthens your Faith
The Bible is just a bunch of stories it is not true
Money is evil
Christians should be in lack because Jesus was poor
God only saves some people and He sends some to Hell
If your not a Good Person God won't love you
You need to come to Church to know God
Jesus was a socialist

ResidentAlien · Feb 1, 2022

Duckybill said:

Huh?

ResidentAlien · Feb 2, 2022

ResidentAlien said:

Duckybill said:

I was merely making a joke I thought you might appreciate. I wasn't taking any kind of jab at you. I've made similar jokes in reference to myself before.

Whenever someone disagrees with certain things, like the prosperity gospel for example; or if you criticize one of their false teacher idols, they will say you must have a Poverty spirit, or a Jezebel spirit. They have no problem accusing people of such things to control them and keep them in line; and neither do I have a problem making light of it at their expense.

I do regret bringing you into it. Please accept my sincere apology for that.

ResidentAlien · Feb 4, 2022

John Bevere is a name I've been hearing a lot lately. He formerly worked for Benny Hinn and has connections to the New Apostolic Reformation: https://narconnections.com/john-bevere-3/

In the following video, Caleb Corneloup totally calls out Bevere for his blatant scripture twisting. Notice Bever's sleight-of-hand maneuver. The best lies always contain a grain of truth.

He correctly points out that in 1 Samuel 15:23, "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. . ." the words is as are italicized because they aren't in the original Hebrew. Then he goes on to say the translation should read: "For rebellion is the sin of witchcraft." He uses the same italicized word is in his version, which he says isn't in the original!!

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves."

soberxp · Feb 4, 2022

The Holy Spirit is a quiet child who usually doesn't like to talk superfluous nonsense

ResidentAlien · Feb 4, 2022

soberxp said:

What do you mean?

soberxp · Feb 4, 2022

ResidentAlien said:

You can understand it as a joke or a fact, because what the Holy Spirit says is in the Bible, and there is no unnecessary nonsense

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