Strong Women In Today's World
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● Eph 5:21 . .Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
The koiné word for "submit" in that verse is hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so)
which means to subordinate; but we're not talking about an imposed kind of
subordination like in the military; no, what we're talking about here is
"deference" which, in a nutshell, is respect for one's betters as opposed to
demanding equality with one's peers.
● Phil 2:3 . . In humility consider others better than yourselves.
The opposite of deference is defiance; which is a disposition to be contrary,
viz: a willingness to contend or fight; i.e. resist, stonewall, quarrel, argue,
debate.
The majority of the people that I encounter on internet forums are defiant:
Christians too, no less; which is a really, really bad thing because according to
Eph 5:21, when Christians refuse to consider others their betters, they reveal
just how little they consider Christ their better.
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● Eph 5:21 . .Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
The koiné word for "submit" in that verse is hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so)
which means to subordinate; but we're not talking about an imposed kind of
subordination like in the military; no, what we're talking about here is
"deference" which, in a nutshell, is respect for one's betters as opposed to
demanding equality with one's peers.
● Phil 2:3 . . In humility consider others better than yourselves.
The opposite of deference is defiance; which is a disposition to be contrary,
viz: a willingness to contend or fight; i.e. resist, stonewall, quarrel, argue,
debate.
The majority of the people that I encounter on internet forums are defiant:
Christians too, no less; which is a really, really bad thing because according to
Eph 5:21, when Christians refuse to consider others their betters, they reveal
just how little they consider Christ their better.
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our lives do determine where we go when we die. I don't want to argue about it so you have a right to believe what you want to. I can't save anyone any way. I can only save myself. But I do know there is a war. The devil is out winning souls also. I just want to be sure that mine is not one of them.
I get a regular email from Dr. Eli Lizorkin Lizorkin-Eyzenberg a Messianic Jew who is an expert on Biblical languages and history. He wrote an article about women in the Bible. I am putting it below.
The Unlikely Role of the Biblical Woman
Date April 25, 2018
Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg
In Torah we read the following about Eve’s primary function:
וַיֹּאמֶר יהוה אֱלֹהִים לֹא־טוֹב הֱיוֹת הָאָדָם לְבַדּוֹ אֶעֱשֶׂהּ־לּוֹ עֵזֶר כְּנֶגְדּוֹ׃
The LORD God said, “It is not good for man to be alone; I will make a fitting helper for him.” (Gen. 2:18)
The Hebrew word for “woman” is אִשָּׁה (isha) and for “man” אִישׁ (ish). What is interesting, however, is that these two words, “man” אִישׁ (ish) and “woman” אִשָּׁה (isha), although they sound similar do not share a common Hebrew root. The word אִישׁ (ish) comes from the root אִוֵּשׁ, connoting “strength”, while the word אִשָּׁה (isha) comes from the root אֲנָשׁ (anash), meaning “fragile”. The Hebrew Bible, while acknowledging the woman to be a “weaker vessel” (as in 1 Peter 3:7), assigned to a woman a very important role indeed.
Unfortunately, the English word “helper” does not sufficiently communicate the power of the original Hebrew meaning. This word is, in fact, a military term. The use of עֵזֶר (ezer) “helper” connotes an active intervention on behalf of someone. It describes someone who is committed to your well-being to the extent that s/he is willing to die or kill for you.
Most English translations (including the one cited above) describe Adam’s life-partner, Eve, as something akin to a “fitting helper”. However, the Hebrew phrase עֵזֶר כְּנֶגְדּוֹ (ezer kenegdo), if translated more literally, carries an intriguing meaning. Eve is described in oppositional terms, as “a helper who is against him”. It is also interesting that Proverbs 31:10 in referring to wisdom personified as a woman, calls her a אֵשֶׁת-חַיִל (eshet chayil) “a woman-soldier”!
Bible stories such as Zipporah opposing Moses, Tamar opposing Judah, Rahab opposing the elders of the city, and the Samaritan woman opposing male-sanctioned traditions and politics come to mind as examples. These great women of faith intervened, opposing the will of the men involved, and at great personal risk merited an unprecedented place in Biblical history. Join me and discover the beautiful simplicity of the Hebrew culture and language. Understand how it speaks through simple imagery, yet says so much. Begin with Biblical Hebrew: First Steps, continue on to the popular Our Hebrew Fathers series, then get further inspired by Exodus and Leviticus from the Jewish perspective.
Are we supposed to consider Christians who teach false things, or Christians with a faulty mysogynistic attitude towards half the body of Christ, our betters?
No. Some Christians need to be admonished for their false understanding of things.
webers.home said:
webers.home said:
Dude, you have issues.
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Was with you until this;.....your righteousness in earthly life determines where you spend the time after death.
Did you mean something else?
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whatev
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I can't imagine having to submit to my brothers. I love them, but they're definitely not trustworty enough to submit to. The good news is, if you married, it's not a brother. It's someone you love and trust. Also, someone who is a believer and submits to the Lord.Truthfully I find the idea of submitting to a man hard.
Especially so as I was brought up without a father and my older brothers
(all at least 9 years older than me), just leave me to get on with things and
won’t help out with mum etc. One won’t even visit her in hosp unless I’m there
as he is scared of hospitals.
The one who is a fitness fanatic and goes to the gym at 6am every day and
is retired so has a lot of time on his hands, won’t help with gardening as
he says he doesn’t know how to use a lawn mower or the hedge trimmers.
Despite me earning less than my brothers I am the one who has
helped them out financially too, when they have made poor money decisions.
Thankfully the Lord has given me a brain and the ability to work, and deal
with whatever has been thrown my way, and He also doesn’t mind if I don’t
wear a hat! Besides hats don’t suit me. Lol
My husband and I are on equal footing. He hears me. I hear him. We think out decisions made from love for one another, and if there is ever a time when we disagree, then he decides for us. I don't recall that ever happening. I do recall, quite often, either one or the other simply admitting we don't know and don't care enough about what decision is made, so defer to the other. And usually those "heavy weight" decisions have to do with what to watch on TV, what vegetable to have with dinner, what paint for our room, or what plant should replace a dead plant.
As far as I recall the only two things we have never agreed on is if there are aliens on other planets, and who we should have been voted for in the last Presidential primary. Unfortunately, since our state is in the middle of the pact for voting, the guy I wanted to pick was already out of the election. But his guy won.
It really is about love and trust. If I were you, and assuming you trust your pastor, I'd ask him to be my submitter. The chances of you ever needing to outweigh your own decisions are between slim and none, but he'd still be a good guy to talk to if your stuck figuring out an answer.
But do remember, you're never going to marry you brother, which is WHEW! Especially if they're anything like my brothers.
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whatev
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The Lord saved me, He changed my world. And in doing so he is changing me more and more than him. My life has nothing to do with being saved, other than this is what life is like for someone who is saved. It's always about Christ. Never about us. No pushing Jesus away to prove our superiority.
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Miri
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I can't imagine having to submit to my brothers. I love them, but they're definitely not trustworty enough to submit to. The good news is, if you married, it's not a brother. It's someone you love and trust. Also, someone who is a believer and submits to the Lord.
My husband and I are on equal footing. He hears me. I hear him. We think out decisions made from love for one another, and if there is ever a time when we disagree, then he decides for us. I don't recall that ever happening. I do recall, quite often, either one or the other simply admitting we don't know and don't care enough about what decision is made, so defer to the other. And usually those "heavy weight" decisions have to do with what to watch on TV, what vegetable to have with dinner, what paint for our room, or what plant should replace a dead plant.
As far as I recall the only two things we have never agreed on is if there are aliens on other planets, and who we should have been voted for in the last Presidential primary. Unfortunately, since our state is in the middle of the pact for voting, the guy I wanted to pick was already out of the election. But his guy won.
It really is about love and trust. If I were you, and assuming you trust your pastor, I'd ask him to be my submitter. The chances of you ever needing to outweigh your own decisions are between slim and none, but he'd still be a good guy to talk to if your stuck figuring out an answer.
But do remember, you're never going to marry you brother, which is WHEW! Especially if they're anything like my brothers.
I think the pastor would have his work cut out there. We have 3 pastors for a
church with over 1000 adults in attendance. There is a senior, one who oversees the
youth work and a pastor for the adults generally.
Plus there is a counselling service in the church with trained councillors of
both genders. That requires booking in advance, they are not really their though
as a sounding board for every day decisions.
I would prefer to rely on my Heavenly Father. The whole submitting to
a man just doesn’t work if you are unmarried. Possibly it doesn’t work if you
are married either depending on the couple.
The days seem to be long gone when the husband was considered the head
of the household and was able to make good decisions for his family and hold
everything together in a Godly manner.
A lot over here is probably to do with how society has changed so much, many
single parents raising children without a strong good decent father figure.
Women forced out to work by the government and for financial reasons
while their children are still babies and toddlers. So others are influencing
their children while they are at work.
Even where there is a husband and wife, both have to work to keep a roof over
their head.
Lack of Christian standards generally across the country.
Increased articles of abused women, that’s probably always gone on even in
bible times.
Plus in countries where women are still viewed as property, mostly
Muslim countries, women are abused, lack freedom, etc.
I’m replying to you as you are reasonable and understand where I’m coming
from. Such issues as above are rarely raised when the “women” subject
crops up. Posters woukd rather blame women for all societies woos.
Society at all levels, no longer encourages or for that matter, even makes room
for family life to be run in a Godly manner any more.
I’m glad you found a worthy husband, he is one in a million.
Thats the reason.
Also, many women just want to work, even if its is not necessary financially. They were just taught so by to society, that its degrading to be a woman at home, to be dependent on her husband.
Children attend wordly schools for 15 years, at least (if they end up with secondary education). 15 years of teachings, opinions, philosophy and politics of government, mixed with various bad influences of classmates. Right after that, they seek a partner (with the same wordly teachings in head) and try to have a biblical marriage. Of course, it will not work.
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Miri
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In the UK you don’t have any option but to work, that’s unless you are
really rich. Most aren’t. Having said that I know one couple who was
really rich enough so the wife didint have to work. Then the husband
died and the wife didint have a clue about life, managing finances etc.
So even if a couple are really rich. The wife still has to do something,
learn skills, use that brain etc. Submitting has nothing to do with not using
your skills and brain.
Equally I know a wife who ended up in a care home following a stroke.
Her husband had no idea how to cook or use the washing machine.
The government won’t allow women to just stay at home and look
after the children even if they want to. Plus women have valuable skills
too. Where we would be with no females nurses doctors, teachers etc.
I’m not saying women shouldn’t work at all. In an ideal world they have
skills and a brain which should be used, but families shouldn’t be put in
a position by ungodly governments , whereby they are unable to raise their
own children.
I do agree that schools and society generally with its political correctness,
no longer allow for society to be run the way God intended.
Then there are also all the absent fathers who have their fun and leave.
Women have their fun as well but they are the ones left with the consequences.
The issue is far wider than “thy scoundrel of a woman submit or else”.
I do not now how in the UK, but in Germany many women are at home.
Also, I am sure that positions like businessmen, software developers, doctors etc are rich enough to live from one salary.
Yes, women should use brain
I was just talking about society. That to stay at home is seen as something degrading, by many, even Christian, women.
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Miri
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I do not now how in the UK, but in Germany many women are at home.
Also, I am sure that positions like businessmen, software developers, doctors etc are rich enough to live from one salary.
Yes, women should use brain
In the UK, they don’t like anyone claiming benefits. Plus they have since
reduced child benefit (you only get benefit for the first child, and reduced amount for
second child, nothing for any more).
Plus they have also capped how much they pay out for housing benefit (help towards
rent) and, if you live in a Council house but have too many bedrooms. Say two
people live in a 3 bedroom house as someone has left. Now you have to pay a bedroom
tax for the spare bedroom. Forcing people to move to smaller houses away from their
place of employment, so more money spent on moving or travelling to work.
So these people who have more than one or two children, or have a spare bedroom,
or live somewhere expensive like London. Now have found themselves with a
cut in benefits.
It doesn’t just affect unemployed, it affects working families too who claim
family tax credits and benefits. In fact working families are struggling the most
and claim the lions share of benefits.
Even if the wife manages to find a part time job. It has to be at least
22 hours a week to be worth their while. Otherwise they lose out
financially.
In Europe on paper we have a very low unemployment rate, that’s because the
government has forced everyone out to work regardless of circumstances.
But many jobs are low paid, low quality or part time.
That plus the rise in house prices and rent is putting a lot of pressure even
on rich people. You can’t really buy a house now for less than £100,000.
In many the most popular cities and also the countryside you are looking
at minimum £200,000 to £300,000. Places like London you are looking at
half a million for a basic home with a couple of bedrooms.
The cost of renting and buying houses needs to come down, as a massive
chunk of people’s wages goes into keeping a roof over your head.
Yes, keeping a roof over your head together with food is the highest chunk of people's wages that goes away.
I just do not think its so depressive, I think its normal. If half of your wage goes to your living, you still have a half for yourself to save.
So it depends on how much you can save from a common salary in the UK.
Also, many people already have a house for example from parents.
I just do not think its so depressive, I think its normal. If half of your wage goes to your living, you still have a half for yourself to save.
So it depends on how much you can save from a common salary in the UK.
Also, many people already have a house for example from parents.
You could ask my husband Tourist if I submit or not he'd be happy to answer the question.... oh, I don't wear hats in church either.... but if I feel led by God to say something while in church I certainly will do it. Because as I read the Bible I've learned things from women and men when they spoke up.
PS Having a chuckle now and then never hurt anybody loosen up a bit.
I agree. This is the way how the women ought to behave:
"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; wWhile they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement." (1Pedro 3.1-6).
