Study on the Patriarchs

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Omegatime

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The purpose of these posts are to share my findings concerning creation, the patriarchs, dates born and deaths, the amount of time Israel spent in Egypt and how it all ties in the birth date of our Lord.
All dating counts time from Adam being made on the sixth day which I will call time from creation.
Please read all the posts before comment TY.
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Going to start by using a source outside the normal 66 books by quoting Irenaeus Book 5 Chapter 23. Irenaeus was taught by Polycarp who called himself a hearer of Apostle John.
2. Thus, then, in the day that they ate, in the same did they die, and became death's debtors, since it was one day of the creation. For it is said, There was made in the evening, and there was made in the morning, one day. Now in this same day that they ate, in that also did they die. But according to the cycle and progress of the days, after which one is termed first, another second, and another third, if anybody seeks diligently to learn upon what day out of the seven it was that Adam died, he will find it by examining the dispensation of the Lord. For by summing up in Himself the whole human race from the beginning to the end, He has also summed up its death. From this it is clear that the Lord suffered death, in obedience to His Father, upon that day on which Adam died while he disobeyed God. Now he died on the same day in which he ate. For God said, In that day on which you shall eat of it, you shall die by death. The Lord, therefore, recapitulating in Himself this day, underwent His sufferings upon the day preceding the Sabbath, that is, the sixth day of the creation, on which day man was created; thus granting him a second creation by means of His passion, which is that [creation] out of death
And there are some, again, who relegate the death of Adam to the thousandth year; for since a day of the Lord is as a thousand years, 2 Peter 3:8 he did not overstep the thousand years, but died within them, thus bearing out the sentence of his sin. Whether, therefore, with respect to disobedience, which is death; whether [we consider] that, on account of that, they were delivered over to death, and made debtors to it; whether with respect to [the fact that on] one and the same day on which they ate they also died (for it is one day of the creation); whether [we regard this point], that, with respect to this cycle of days, they died on the day in which they did also eat, that is, the day of the preparation, which is termed the pure supper, that is, the sixth day of the feast, which the Lord also exhibited when He suffered on that day; or whether [we reflect] that he (Adam) did not overstep the thousand years, but died within their limit — it follows that, in regard to all these significations, God is indeed true. For they died who tasted of the tree; and the serpent is proved a liar and a murderer, as the Lord said of him: For he is a murderer from the beginning, and the truth is not in him. John 8:44
 
Hidden Gems from Gensis 5
Chuck Missler uncovered a hidden understanding of the names in Gensis 5 and released it around the year 2000.
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Genesis 5 ( all dates are from creation unless otherwise noted )
In this chapter 10 names are given of patriarchs who carry the names of the generational line up to and inclding the Lord Yeshua ( Jesus ).
Things to consider:
1 Methuseleh died 969 years old in the year 1656
2 Noah turn 600 years old in the year 1656
3 World Flood started in year 1656 in the second month
4 Notice no months or days given for births or deaths
5 These 10 patriachs covers a time of 2006 years
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When Adam sinned he became death's debtor and the Lord took skins from animals to make clothing for them to cover their shame. This began the need for a blood sacrifice till the Lord gave of himself on Passover.
Exodus 12 says the first month is the time to have the Passover.
So what is going on with Methuseleh, Noah, flood, andhttps://www.khouse.org/personal_update/articles/2000/meanings-names-genesis-5 the year 1656??
Well first, the day Methseleh died, Noah turned 600 years old, this was the day of Passover.
Every patriarch was born and died on Passover. Lord just didnt round the numbers off.
The flood was delayed by a month for mourning and burial of Methuseleh
The story continues
 
The 430 years
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Abraham born 1948------------------------------------------------------------Died 2123
Issac born 2048------------------------------------------------------------------Died 2228
Jacob born 2108-----------------------------------------------------------------Died 2255
Galations 3:15
To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man’s will, or adds to it, once it has been ratified.
Abraham died year 2123 on Passover--------will takes effect
add 430 years ( had to the self same day, Passover to Passover )
Exodus date on Passover 2553
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1 Kings 6:1 In the four hundred and eightieth year after the people of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, he began to build the house of the Lord
Exodus date 2553 plus 480 years ===== year 3033
Scholars all seem to agree King David was reigning 1000 BC or creation time 3000
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So, How many years in Egypt
Jacob ( Israel ) born year 2108
Jacob stood before Pharoh at 130 years old, year 2238
Exodus date 2553 minus year 2238== 315 years in Egypt
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Date Jacob stood before Pharoh 2338 to death of Abraham 2123==115 years Total 430 years
115 years in Cannan and 315 years in Egypt
Masorectic text which was written between the 6th and 10th century BC found something they couldn't live with. Even today most Othordox scholars say they were in Egypt for 215 years. They claim this is year 5786.
Now the Strian text and the Septuagint text say 430 years in Cannan and Egypt which I say is correct.
What couldnt they live with, all 77 generations were born and died pn Passover meaning the Lord Yeshua ( Jesus ) was also born on Passover in which he also died,
 
Patriarchs in the land of Egypt

Genesis 15:16

16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”

The Lord told Abraham 4 generations would live in Egypt. The generations were not living long enough to spend 430 in Egypt.

Since about 70 entered Egypt and only the males were counted.

Genesis 15:16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”

Jacob lived 147 years
Joseph lived 110
Levi lived 137 years

Since 2 generations went in I had to discard the sons of Jacob or we would be double counting the same time period. Also the 4th generation spent 40 years in wilderness

Approx time in Egypt----- Best estimate

Judah--------------- not counted
Perez----------------90 years
Hezron--------------135 years
Amram---------------90 years

Total 315 years
 
Just for clarification: The Masoretic Text was written between the 6th and 10th century "CE"

Which is why I stand more upon the Septuagint than the Masoretic texts that I suspect were subject to alternations made by Jewish, Rabbinic influences for reasons upon which we can only speculate...

MM
 
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Yes, the big difference between the Masoretic and the Septuagint in the case of the 430 years was the Masorectic removed the word Cannan in the scripture 430 years in Cannan and Egypt
 
Which is why I stand more upon the Septuagint than the Masoretic texts that I suspect were subject to alternations made by Jewish, Rabbinic influences for reasons upon which we can only speculate...

MM
Do you happen to have a preferred English Septuagint translation? I've been meaning to get a copy of "The Lexham English Septuagint". (*Question goes for both Musicmaster and Omegatime. *edit)
 
Do you happen to have a preferred English Septuagint translation? I've been meaning to get a copy of "The Lexham English Septuagint". (*Question goes for both Musicmaster and Omegatime. *edit)

The one I use is the N.E.T.S., which is the acronym for "New English Translation of the Septuagint." There are others, perhaps even better then this, but my loss of the others through various events in life has rendered me down to at this point. The NETS seems to be sufficient at this time without my going out to buy some of the older and more scholastically outlined publications.

MM
 
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From the Septuagint

And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt and the land of Chanaan, four hundred and thirty years.
And it came to pass after the four hundred and thirty years, all the forces of the Lord came forth out of the land of Egypt by night.
 
The one I use is the N.E.T.S., which is the acronym for "New English Translation of the Septuagint." There are others, perhaps even better then this, but my loss of the others through various events in life has rendered me down to at this point. The NETS seems to be sufficient at this time without my going out to buy some of the older and more scholastically outlined publications.

MM
Thank you for the feedback. The NETS appears to be a highly respected and reliable translation of the Septuaguint.
 
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Do you happen to have a preferred English Septuagint translation? I've been meaning to get a copy of "The Lexham English Septuagint". (*Question goes for both Musicmaster and Omegatime. *edit)
Late returning a reply but have been using this one.

The Septuagint is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Koine Greek. As the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament, it is also called the Greek Old Testament. This translation is quoted in the New Testament, particularly by Paul, and also by the Greek Church Fathers. The title and its Roman numeral acronym LXX refer to legendary seventy Jewish scholars who solely translated the Five Books Of Moses as early as the late 2nd century BC.

This English translation by Sir Lancelot C. L. Brenton, published in 1851, is considered a long-time standard. For most of the years since its publication it has been the only one readily available, and has continually been in print.

 
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