Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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ICorinthians 15:35-58 God gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ

35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?”36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

Our life is a seed. In death we are planted and in resurrection we will grow with a glorified body.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

These are basic principles, the natural body is simply a shadow of the reality which is the spiritual body. The rapture is the fulfillment of our being raised so the nature of those days prior to the rapture: we will be perishable, dishonored, in weakness, and natural. In other words our faith will be the only thing we will have and to the natural eye it will not make any sense.

45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

Again, if you can see that our human body will return to the dust of the ground, then you should also see that our spiritual body is of heaven. If you live according to your spirit you will be heavenly. If you have borne the image of your father on earth, then you will also bear the image of your Father in heaven.

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

This last trumpet is supposed to refer to the two horns from the ram that Abraham sacrificed instead of Isaac. The first trumpet was blown at the time of Shavuot when Moses gave Israel the ten commandments. That was His betrothal to the children of Israel. The last trumpet is this midnight cry when Jesus comes and gets His bride. So think about this, the whole chapter is about a seed being sown into human beings, it was sown when the Ten commandments were given to us at the first trumpet and then when the last trumpet is blown we are transformed into spiritual bodies. That word has grown in us and resurrected into a spiritual body. We then, filled with the word, are now in the image of the heavenly man. For Christians the first trumpet was when the New Covenant was given to us and the last trumpet is when we are raptured.

53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

We must be clothed with the imperishable! This is the only way we could be the bride of Christ, the only way we could rule and reign with Christ, the only way we could be to the praise of His glory! The rapture is a victory for Jesus. Getting the bride is a victory for Jesus. The Lord is the coming king, but everything will be built on this victory. Why is He king? Because He has conquered. Why can He judge man, again because of this victory. No one can say "but Lord, what you ask is too much for anyone". He can point to His bride and that will disprove that argument.

55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”

In the rapture we will be overjoyed, praising God, and praising the Lord for His victory. Think about it, if no one were raptured you would be saying "Where, O Lord is your victory?" This is what this age is all about, the battle is over our being transformed into the image of God.

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

How did we get the victory over sin? It is through our Lord Jesus Christ. How are we going to get the victory over death? It is through our Lord Jesus Christ. We will be praising and thanking Him for eternity.

58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
 

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Turning Corona Virus into Profit


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2 Peter 3:1-10 The Earth and the works therein shall be burned up

1 This is now, beloved, the second epistle that I write unto you; and in both of them I stir up your sincere mind by putting you in remembrance; 2 that ye should remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord and Saviour through your apostles: 3 knowing this first, that in the last days mockers shall come with mockery, walking after their own lusts, 4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming?

This is an important part of the gospel message to us. There are many who do not wish to cause trouble. They find these kind of discussions counterproductive. But this word that we preach is essential, it stirs us up and puts us in remembrance. The first thing you need to know if you are going to preach is that mockers will come who not only walk in their lusts but also mock the Lord and His servants. They ask "where is the promise of His coming?" because this sets the stage for their judgement. This is of God, the Lord is sovereign and He wants us to proclaim His coming and the resurrection from the dead.

for, from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

Here is their logical argument, you look around, don’t see anything that the Bible warns about so therefore they won’t see it. But to make this argument you have to willfully forget Rwanda, Ebola, the Holocaust, Russian Revolution, Cultural revolution, French revolution, etc.

5 For this they wilfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth compacted out of water and amidst water, by the word of God; 6 by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 but the heavens that now are, and the earth, by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

In Geology there was a theory called the principle of uniformitarianism which was a premise that the way the world was is pretty much the way it is now. So, some used that theory with something they falsely called science to claim that Noah’s flood and other cataclysmic events couldn’t take place. Then we discovered that in fact, at the end of the last ice age cataclysmic floods did take place every bit on the scale described in the Bible. We can use the size of ripple marks to determine how deep the water was that was flowing over them. We were able to determine that floods in the US and India were 40 meters deep just as the Bible said and that these floods did indeed flow down from the highest mountains. Since that point we have discovered that extinction events are very important in Earth’s history. They are rare, but they have happened five times prior to the current one and some were as horrific as anything we can even imagine. The last one was sixty five million years ago, so yes, they don’t happen all the time, but they do happen and when they do they are catastrophic. It was a shock to geologists when they discovered that in fact a meteorite was directly related to the extinction of the dinosaurs. After that we pushed for astronomers to track all the potential threats to life on Earth and have since discovered how very difficult that job is. We have had asteroids buzzing close to the Earth this year. Even at the time of Noah we think that asteroids were involved in that flood by striking the ocean and there were over 200 large creatures that went extinct due to that event.

8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The context of this is that the Lord’s return could come on the third day. This age began with the Lord’s resurrection as the first fruit, and it will end with the resurrection of the saints as the harvest. The age is likened to a year that begins in the Spring with Jesus death and resurrection and ends with Jesus coronation and wedding. Our rapture is likened to the resurrection. What is interesting about this is that this year is the very first Jubilee year of the third millennium. Using this word by Peter this is early on the third day. It is somewhat complicated but the Jewish calendar is not equivalent to the calendar that we use so the number of years is not exactly the same.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Based on this time frame with a thousand years being one day the time frame from Noah to Israel leaving Egypt was only a couple of days, likewise it has only been two days since the Lord was crucified. The Lord is not slack, but rather these things take time. He has given us everything we need but the issue is not that He has been slack but rather that many saints have been slack. They don't take these warnings as seriously as they should. They are not treating their Christian life with urgency.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This is important, the clarification that Peter gives. Yes, the day of the Lord will come as a thief, but not to everybody. If you are raptured, if you are like the wise virgins whose vessels are full of oil, if you are like Noah when he entered the ark, it doesn’t come as a thief for you. That is because you were wise, you heeded the warnings, you repented and you prepared. But for all those mockers and those walking in the lust of their flesh it will certainly come as a thief. Recently there was a vineyard in California that was burned to the ground and the owner was on the news saying everything they had built up over generations was gone. That should be a warning to everyone. Ron Reagan, Ronald Reagan’s son, was a very famous atheist who claimed he was not afraid of the fires of hell. Where is he now? Why isn’t he making those ads now?

I observed this recent catastrophe with all the flights being cancelled. It was explained that transportation is like a chain, if the Air Traffic controllers in one city don't show up for work then that link in the chain is broken. This causes great confusion. If the planes can't land at that airport there is no airport for them to go to, confusion. Also it means other planes can't take off, confusion. If the other planes can't take off then the planes that were going to take there place have no where to go, etc, etc. A thousand flights being cancelled could mean a hundred thousand screaming passengers trying to find new flights to get on, confusion. What are you seeing? You are seeing a thief in the night to the "mockers" like Joe Biden.

 

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2Peter 3:11-18 Knowing these things beforehand

11 Seeing that these things are thus all to be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy living and godliness, 12 looking for and earnestly desiring the coming of the day of God, by reason of which the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

This is why this is a crucial part of the gospel message. When you have a vision of the end of the age it is a controlling vision. You live and walk in light of that vision. Little, petty offences look just like that, small, petty and insignificant.

13 But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

We are not rejoicing that some people are not repenting or that God’s judgement will fall on some. Instead, our focus is on the new heavens and new earth where righteousness dwells. Let’s consider how incredibly unrighteous the situation is here. In October of 2020 we learned that the FBI had Hunter Biden’s laptop with thousands of emails completely laying out a corruption scandal between Hunter Biden, business interests in the Ukraine, China, Iraq, and other countries and Joe Biden. Not only so but there were also thousands of pictures that proved Hunter Biden continued to be a drug addict and also involved in child porn. They had this laptop for a year. Did they bring charges against the Biden crime family? No. Facebook censored this story. Twitter also censored the story, locking out the President’s press secretary for tweeting the story and locking the NY Post account. They were caught in an ugly web of hypocrisy which is a whole other story of lies and deceit. But the story is not just of a corrupt politician and his reprobate son, nor is it of an FBI cover up or even of censorship by these giant tech giants. Adam Schiff a prominent leader among the Democrats put out a story saying that the intelligence community had evidence that this laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign. In other words the whole story is false, made up by the Russians to impact our election. So the Director of National Intelligence also went on the news to state publicly and unequivocally that there is absolutely no intelligence suggesting that the laptop is part of a Russian disinformation campaign. He said that 100% of the intelligence that Adam Schiff gets goes through him and he lied when he said this. That makes Adam Schiff guilty of a disinformation campaign to alter the election. CNN and MSNBC both ran with Adam Schiff, using his statements to discredit the story. So CNN, MSNBC and senior members of the democratic party are part of this disinformation campaign to cover up the sins of Joe Biden. But it is even worse than that when you consider the potential security risk of having a president blackmailed by foreign countries clearly aware of his sins would pose. But incredible as this all is there is still more. This puts the entire dossier that Clinton’s camp put together to smear Trump and the three year campaign to investigate and impeach him in an entirely new light of crooks taking a preemptive shot. Since then we had a massive cyber attack that stole information from virtually every essential government service in this country and then we had a hack of the pipeline which was shut down for a week, disrupted for two weeks, and caused significant gas shortages to the East coast. Yet Biden immediately dismissed allegations that this was an attack from Russia even though the cyber attack did come from Russia. He followed this up with a massive failure in Afghanistan and the number of migrants crossing our border every month is equivalent in size to the D day invasion of Normandy. His policy of being vaccinated or get fired has caused massive chaos in the airline industry and hundreds of container ships to be stuck outside ports waiting to be offloaded or loaded. But let's return to the Hunter Biden laptop, it reveals that the Biden crime family was paid millions by the Ukrainians and now we see Biden sending $40 billion to Ukraine to fight Russia. Ukraine is not even our ally and they are considered the 3rd most corrupt country in the world. My point is this is rotten, totally rotten, that we live in a corrupt world in which righteousness does not dwell.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for these things, give diligence that ye may be found in peace, without spot and blameless in his sight.

Every one of us needs the Lord’s blood to have peace with God. Every one of us needs to repent of our sins. Do not go down this road of covering them up, lying about them, and adding to them by trying to attack and destroy others.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsteadfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Look at that, what a great example. Paul rebuked Peter to his face in the book of Galatians because he was to be condemned. Does Peter hold a grudge? No, he testifies of Paul and confirms Paul’s ministry. What a great testimony and a great example.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own steadfastness.

Can we please not skim over verses like this! Knowing these things beforehand is a critical part of the gospel we preach. Everyone on earth knows that the rapture is part of the Christian belief. That is important because when they see it they need to know that they are seeing the rapture. Satan will try to deceive them with Alien abductions. There will be many people left on Earth like Lot who although they were not “preachers of righteousness” like Noah, were still “righteous men”. They will need to repent of their fear of the mockers and those who walk in the lust of their flesh and take a stand for righteousness. Knowing this beforehand will help them to repent.

18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I have seen many of these Youtube accounts of “rapture dreams” and as good as they are, the key point is to grow in grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior. If a dream helps you wake up that is great, but it is the fellowship of the apostles, the word of God that will help you grow in grace and the Knowledge of the Savior.

To him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.
 

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1Timothy 6:20 Guard that which is committed unto thee

1Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, guard that which is committed unto thee, turning away from the profane babblings and oppositions of the knowledge which is falsely so called; 21 which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

This is the charge to Timothy.

1Timothy 1: 11 according to the gospel of the glory of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

This is what we are to guard. The gospel of the glory of the blessed God was committed to our trust, we are to guard it, turning away from profane babblings and the opposition of what they falsely call knowledge.

I remember when I was in college in 1980 there were people who confidently affirmed that the stories in the Bible were false. For example if there had ever been a flood that went over the tops of the highest mountains as Genesis describes we would have evidence of it and all people and creatures would have been killed. I was studying Geology and the guiding principle of Geology is “the present is the key to the past”. There is no meteorologic event that could explain 40 days and night of rain for the whole earth. It was a persuasive argument. Either the Bible is true or it is false. But this argument is falsely called knowledge because what it is really based on is the lack of knowledge. What they really meant is that we didn’t know about the evidence of such a flood and we didn’t know about a mechanism whereby we would get such a flood.

Since that time Geologists got a very big shock as evidence of the mass extinction for the Dinosaurs turned out to be a meteorite. Prior to that we had no idea that sudden cataclysmic events could be so powerful. Since then we have learned that although the present is the key to the past the history of life on Earth has been punctuated by five major extinction events and the one that wiped out the dinosaurs wasn’t even the worst of them.

For those of you who have watched the animated movies called Ice Age and Ice Age 2 you have seen them depict giant dams of water that burst at the end of the ice age. This is because we have discovered massive floods that came down out of the Himalayas and the Rocky Mountains at the end of the last ice age, floods on a biblical scale every bit as horrific as described by Noah. The problem is that as we see the glaciated highlands melt today we don’t see “ice dams” forming. On the contrary we see the water draining out continuously. So the same people who falsely said we had knowledge that Noah’s flood was not true because the present is the key to the past are the same ones pushing a theory that is contrary to the present is the key to the past. It is important to understand this because there are many who use “science” to push their agendas and will claim science says whatever they need it to say. This has been evident during the pandemic, they lied when they said science had shown HCQ to be ineffective and dangerous at treating Covid19, it is effective and could have saved 20,000 lives or more had they not lied. They say science has shown masks are effective at stopping the transmission when science doesn’t confirm that at all, on the contrary the use of masks could facilitate the spread of respiratory diseases, not inhibit them.

So if the floods that came out of the Himalayas and Rockies were not from dams bursting, then where did it come from? When it rains on snow and ice there is no place for the water to go, it can’t seep into the ground so it runs off. When you get massive rain over glaciated mountains you will get flash floods, not only so but this rain will cause the melting of the glaciers causing even more tremendous flooding. We now know a meteorite hit the Indian Ocean causing a massive Tsunami which left behind sand dunes a thousand feet high on Madagascar and which put a tremendous amount of water up into the stratosphere which would have circled the globe before returning as rain. So although it is true that 40 days and nights of rain could not be caused by any meteorologic event we have seen, it could have been caused by a meteorite hitting the ocean.

We have been given the gospel of the glory of God. According to this gospel the Lord will save us with a mighty hand and deliver us from this evil age. All those ones who profess to have knowledge that contradicts this gospel it is merely profane musings from people who have erred concerning the faith. There are those who are not “true children of faith”. Their faith is feigned. They don’t hold faith as being precious and have therefore become shipwrecked in regards to the faith. First and foremost we are teachers, witnesses of the Lord, in faith. We must continue in the faith. The only way we can hold the mystery of the faith is if we have a pure conscience, otherwise we too will be shipwrecked. If you want to have boldness during the tribulation and persecution that is coming it is only through faith. Everyday we need to be nourished in the faith and our life is to be an example in faith. Covetousness and the love of money is what leads many astray from the faith. Now at the end of the age we are here fighting the good fight of the faith. This faith has once for all been committed to us and we need to guard it.
 

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2Timothy 4 The time of my departure is at hand

4 I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all long suffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure the sound doctrine; but, having itching ears, will heap to themselves teachers after their own lusts; 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside unto fables. 5 But be thou sober in all things, suffer hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry. 6 For I am already being offered, and the time of my departure is come. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith: 8 henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give to me at that day; and not to me only, but also to all them that have loved his appearing.

This is the time that Paul is talking about. The time is clearly now when they will not endure sound doctrine. This is what Paul was most concerned about when he knew the time of his departure has come. Preach the word, be urgent, reprove, rebuke, exhort. How is it that they were able to heap to themselves many teachers who would tell them exactly what they wanted to hear about the vaccine? If they admitted the truth, that the CCP and NIH designed the pandemic in a lab as a weapon they would not have pushed their narrative that “orange man bad”. The Mueller investigation was built on a fable, the two impeachments were built on fables. They listen to people who tell them what they want to hear, rather than telling them the truth. We were told in all certainty that the pandemic came from bats in a cave 1,000 miles from Wuhan, jumped to a pangolin, and then somehow went to the big city where it caused this outbreak. The problem is that there was no evidence at all this was true while there was overwhelming evidence that it was a bioweapon, it was manmade and it was at a lab that was experimenting with corona viruses. There is also evidence that the pandemic was designed to force you to take "the cure", the vaccine. That was the real goal. This last election was a trial, can you be sober in all things? Kamala Harris told us the border was a human rights crisis and that if she were elected she would put a stop to it. She was elected and if it was a human rights crisis before now it is a full blown catastrophe. Listen to Paul, he says there is a crown laid up for him. Why? Well, he fought the good fight, and he finished his course and he kept the faith. That is what we need to do. We all need to fight the good fight, we all need to finish our course and we all need to keep the faith. If we do that then we will love His appearing.

9 Give diligence to come shortly unto me: 10 for Demas forsook me, having loved this present world, and went to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. 11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee; for he is useful to me for ministering. 12 But Tychicus I sent to Ephesus. 13 The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, bring when thou comest, and the books, especially the parchments. 14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord will render to him according to his works: 15 of whom do thou also beware; for he greatly withstood our words. 16 At my first defence no one took my part, but all forsook me: may it not be laid to their account. 17 But the Lord stood by me, and strengthened me; that through me the message might be fully proclaimed, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion. 18 The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.

When the Lord returns we will find Christians in all of these conditions. There will be those who have forsaken the ministry having loved the present evil age. There will also be those like Luke who are faithfully ministering. There will be others like Mark who had previously stumbled but repented and are now useful. Then there will be those who are doing much evil. There will be many who forsake the Lord like Peter did at His crucifixion, but if they repent they can still be saved out of the tribulation. All of this will be so that the message can be fully proclaimed. The court cases, the trials, the accusations, the daily news reports are all so that the message can be fully proclaimed.

19 Salute Prisca and Aquila, and the house of Onesiphorus. 20 Erastus remained at Corinth: but Trophimus I left at Miletus sick. 21 Give diligence to come before winter. Eubulus saluteth thee, and Pudens, and Linus, and Claudia, and all the brethren.

22 The Lord be with thy spirit. Grace be with you.
 

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Be warned -- Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee

Luke 6:37 And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released:

I am going to link a video of someone who is incredibly judgemental, speaks pure condemnation and slander.

Luke 19:22 He saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee,

Every word that this person says in this video will ultimately be used by the Lord to judge him.

Romans 2:1 Wherefore thou art without excuse, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest dost practise the same things.

This is called projection.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.

This is a very tough word. Aren't we supposed to identify and judge heresy? Yes, but that is not the same as judging the servant. Listen to this video and tell me, what was the false teaching that he judged? I heard slander, insults, and defamation of the servant but I could not find one false teaching that he was dealing with. What I would say is this, let's suppose you remove every single insulting thing said about the person of Dana Coverstone. Remove every one of those words and remove all of his extemporaneous speaking about how Dana will damage other believers, etc. Just boil it down to what he is objecting to. What do you have left? Anything?

James 4:11 Speak not one against another, brethren. He that speaketh against a brother, or judgeth his brother, speaketh against the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judgest the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

My opinion is this. The Lord used Dana Coverstone to warn the church and to wake up many saints. I believe he acted as the Lord's servant and he will stand before the Lord who will determine how well he did at this job. I also think that each one of us will have to stand before the Lord. There are false teachings like "Once Saved Always Saved" or the "Prosperity Gospel" that we should rebuke and expose. I am all for that. But slandering and insulting a brother who is sharing a dream? Does he use the dream to then create some phony teaching like the Mormons, or some other cult? Sure, expose the phony teaching. But if you slander the Lord's servant you will have to give account for that.

I feel bad even sharing the link to this video. So instead I'll simply give the name and person:

"Dana Coverstone Blames God for his False Prophecies" drewbloom34
 

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Thou hast tried us as Silver is tried

I have been considering the dream I had, I saw the hood of my trunk dismantled and sitting in the trunk. I asked the guy who did this if all the pieces were there and he said yes. So I said let’s go home we can put it back together once we get there. This blog is like the trunk of my car, it is filled with all kinds of pieces concerning the rapture but nothing is put together. I feel the Lord is telling me that all the pieces are here, so instead of gathering more pieces it is time to put them together. The hood is the lid, the capstone, just as the rapture will be.

Jeremiah 6:30 Refuse silver shall men call them, because Jehovah hath rejected them.

This verse has really stuck with me. It seems to me that Isaiah is the prophet to those prior to the first rapture whereas Jeremiah is the prophet to those who are left behind, those who refused to heed the word of the Lord, to those who are in lamentations during the tribulation. Those who are left behind are like “rejected silver”.

Ps 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.

The believers are like silver that is tried whereas those who are left behind are like rejected silver. So then this 2,000 year period is a time of refining us as silver is refined.

Psalm 12:6 The words of Jehovah are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, Purified seven times.

This verse really hit me because we have seven churches, each of which is going through a refining process to get rid of the dross. If you read Revelation 2 and 3 looking for the dross, the rejected silver you can find it easily. It also hit me because there are 7 categories of blessings to Abraham which make up “all spiritual blessings” that the book of Ephesians refers to. With each refining process you remove the dross and what is left is a blessing like shiny silver.

1. The first blessing is Unto a land that I will show you. It is a vision of where we are headed.

The dross in the first church (Ephesus) is self righteousness. They are caught up in investigating the apostles to see if they are speaking the true word of God. This is a good work and they are commended for it. Yet the dross is that they left their first love, the savior, the good samaritan, the good shepherd. The dross is being a “holy and righteous” church without saving sinners, without helping those that had been beaten up by sin. When you examine others for sin while at the same time leaving your first love, the savior and redeemer, then you enter into self righteousness and a "holier than thou" attitude. I saw this recently, I had posted a video of someone sharing evidence of the planet X system. One Christian took great offense at this because when they investigated this person's website they found that their religious beliefs were not Christian. This same person posts videos from around the world concerning Covid19 and what different doctors and nurses are saying. Never once do they think the person's religious beliefs have anything to do with what they are posting, but this other person posts something of astronomical observations and all of a sudden their personal religious beliefs are critical. It was nothing but self righteousness, holier than thou hypocrisy.

2. And I will make of thee a great nation


The dross in Smyrna is the ego. Those that want to be first and are not willing to be last. They want to be rich, not willing to be poor. Want comfort, not willing to go through tribulation. The blessing is that God “will make of thee a great nation”, not that you already are a great nation. I think we got a great illustration of this principle with Tom Brady. He had had an illustrious career and was guaranteed to go into the Hall of Fame. He was very old for a starting quarterback and could have retired. Instead he went to another team that had the worst record of any franchise in the NFL. He was willing to be last, he was willing to be poor and he was willing to go through tribulation. He was ridiculed, mocked and attacked over every missed play or stumble along the way. Yet, in the very first year he took them to the Superbowl and made them champions. I will make of thee a great nation doesn’t mean we are special, we will have to get our hands dirty, roll up our sleeves and do the hard work like everyone else.

3. And I will bless thee

Dross in Pergamum is the compromise with the old man, willing to let those who teach the believers to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication to be among you. Not only so but you let the believers compromise, some can be absolute, others will merely be spectators. We will let some be the clergy and the rest will simply sit and listen. If you want to be blessed you need to be purified of this compromise with your old man.

4. And make thy name great

The dross in Thyatira is a finer form of compromise, you feel that some words in the Bible are outdated, need to be inclusive, allow Jezebel a woman and a foreigner, to prophesy. Her sin is subtler, the “deep things of Satan”. It is hidden, like adultery. You are compromising with the flesh. The name of the church could never be great as long as there are those who are compromising with the flesh and cutting deals with the flesh.

5. Be thou a blessing

Sardis pretends to be something they aren’t. They claim to be living, yet are dead. They claim to be a source of blessing, yet their works are not complete. They pretend to be righteous and holy but most have defiled their garments. If the church is truly going to be a blessing to others then we need to wash away the pretense.

6. I will bless those that bless thee

Self preservation is the dross that is removed from Philadelphia. The Lord washed away all those that deny the Lord’s name, those that wither under attacks and insults. Those that forsake the Lord’s word in the midst of the battle. If you want the Lord to have our back and bless those that bless thee, then you need to have His back.

7. All nations will be blessed in thee

Contentment is the dross in Laodicea. Happy to live in your own little bubble while the rest of the world goes up in flames. You need to leave your little cocoon to be a blessing to the nations and defend them from Satan. The Lord is outside, He is knocking, you need to wake up, open your eyes, and open the door. This corresponds to the end of chapter six of Ephesians where we see the warrior. The church is the Lord's army that can defeat the Antichrist and his armies as a blessing to all nations.

The Lord has tried us, that is what is happening in the churches, it is a process of refining silver and in every stage you see the rejected silver and you see the shining lampstand that has been blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies.
 

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Thou hast tried us as Silver is tried

I have been considering the dream I had, I saw the hood of my trunk dismantled and sitting in the trunk. I asked the guy who did this if all the pieces were there and he said yes. So I said let’s go home we can put it back together once we get there. This blog is like the trunk of my car, it is filled with all kinds of pieces concerning the rapture but nothing is put together. I feel the Lord is telling me that all the pieces are here, so instead of gathering more pieces it is time to put them together. The hood is the lid, the capstone, just as the rapture will be.

Jeremiah 6:30 Refuse silver shall men call them, because Jehovah hath rejected them.

This verse has really stuck with me. It seems to me that Isaiah is the prophet to those prior to the first rapture whereas Jeremiah is the prophet to those who are left behind, those who refused to heed the word of the Lord, to those who are in lamentations during the tribulation. Those who are left behind are like “rejected silver”.

Ps 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: Thou hast tried us, as silver is tried.

The believers are like silver that is tried whereas those who are left behind are like rejected silver. So then this 2,000 year period is a time of refining us as silver is refined.

Psalm 12:6 The words of Jehovah are pure words; As silver tried in a furnace on the earth, Purified seven times.

This verse really hit me because we have seven churches, each of which is going through a refining process to get rid of the dross. If you read Revelation 2 and 3 looking for the dross, the rejected silver you can find it easily. It also hit me because there are 7 categories of blessings to Abraham which make up “all spiritual blessings” that the book of Ephesians refers to. With each refining process you remove the dross and what is left is a blessing like shiny silver.

1. The first blessing is Unto a land that I will show you. It is a vision of where we are headed.

The dross in the first church (Ephesus) is self righteousness. They are caught up in investigating the apostles to see if they are speaking the true word of God. This is a good work and they are commended for it. Yet the dross is that they left their first love, the savior, the good samaritan, the good shepherd. The dross is being a “holy and righteous” church without saving sinners, without helping those that had been beaten up by sin. When you examine others for sin while at the same time leaving your first love, the savior and redeemer, then you enter into self righteousness and a "holier than thou" attitude. I saw this recently, I had posted a video of someone sharing evidence of the planet X system. One Christian took great offense at this because when they investigated this person's website they found that their religious beliefs were not Christian. This same person posts videos from around the world concerning Covid19 and what different doctors and nurses are saying. Never once do they think the person's religious beliefs have anything to do with what they are posting, but this other person posts something of astronomical observations and all of a sudden their personal religious beliefs are critical. It was nothing but self righteousness, holier than thou hypocrisy.

2. And I will make of thee a great nation

The dross in Smyrna is the ego. Those that want to be first and are not willing to be last. They want to be rich, not willing to be poor. Want comfort, not willing to go through tribulation. The blessing is that God “will make of thee a great nation”, not that you already are a great nation. I think we got a great illustration of this principle with Tom Brady. He had had an illustrious career and was guaranteed to go into the Hall of Fame. He was very old for a starting quarterback and could have retired. Instead he went to another team that had the worst record of any franchise in the NFL. He was willing to be last, he was willing to be poor and he was willing to go through tribulation. He was ridiculed, mocked and attacked over every missed play or stumble along the way. Yet, in the very first year he took them to the Superbowl and made them champions. I will make of thee a great nation doesn’t mean we are special, we will have to get our hands dirty, roll up our sleeves and do the hard work like everyone else.

3. And I will bless thee

Dross in Pergamum is the compromise with the old man, willing to let those who teach the believers to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication to be among you. Not only so but you let the believers compromise, some can be absolute, others will merely be spectators. We will let some be the clergy and the rest will simply sit and listen. If you want to be blessed you need to be purified of this compromise with your old man.

4. And make thy name great

The dross in Thyatira is a finer form of compromise, you feel that some words in the Bible are outdated, need to be inclusive, allow Jezebel a woman and a foreigner, to prophesy. Her sin is subtler, the “deep things of Satan”. It is hidden, like adultery. You are compromising with the flesh. The name of the church could never be great as long as there are those who are compromising with the flesh and cutting deals with the flesh.

5. Be thou a blessing

Sardis pretends to be something they aren’t. They claim to be living, yet are dead. They claim to be a source of blessing, yet their works are not complete. They pretend to be righteous and holy but most have defiled their garments. If the church is truly going to be a blessing to others then we need to wash away the pretense.

6. I will bless those that bless thee

Self preservation is the dross that is removed from Philadelphia. The Lord washed away all those that deny the Lord’s name, those that wither under attacks and insults. Those that forsake the Lord’s word in the midst of the battle. If you want the Lord to have our back and bless those that bless thee, then you need to have His back.

7. All nations will be blessed in thee

Contentment is the dross in Laodicea. Happy to live in your own little bubble while the rest of the world goes up in flames. You need to leave your little cocoon to be a blessing to the nations and defend them from Satan. The Lord is outside, He is knocking, you need to wake up, open your eyes, and open the door. This corresponds to the end of chapter six of Ephesians where we see the warrior. The church is the Lord's army that can defeat the Antichrist and his armies as a blessing to all nations.

The Lord has tried us, that is what is happening in the churches, it is a process of refining silver and in every stage you see the rejected silver and you see the shining lampstand that has been blessed with every spiritual blessing in the heavenlies.
If the 7 golden lampstands are likened to being tried the same way that silver is tried, that would indicate that "we are crucified with Christ". It would also point to a possible 2nd Passover as a rapture date when those left behind would be likened to "rejected silver".

Silver is used to "redeem". The church is here to be the Body of Christ, the redeemer. If, due to the apostasy, the church is not representing the redeemer then it would explain why they would be rejected.

Did they leave their first love, the savior of the world? Are they seeking position and the chief seats? Have they compromised with the world? With the devil? Have they become a bless me club rather than being a blessing to the world? Are they all about self preservation? Are they pushing the prosperity gospel? This would be what rejected silver looks like.
 

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If you missed this the first time -- great day to listen again.

 

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If you missed this the first time -- great day to listen again.

Why I don't think that Shavuot is Pentecost

(BTW Dr. Barry Awe agrees)

With the feast of New Wine the offering is made by pouring out the offering on the ground. This is what we saw on Pentecost. The Spirit was poured out onto the earth.

Jesus said that new wine must be put into new wine skins. The church is the new wine skin and it was born on Pentecost.

During this feast they thought they were drunk with new wine, again referencing the Feast of new wine.

Shavuot is 7 sabbaths plus 1 day. That is not 50 days! A lunar cycle is 29.5 days. Therefore the "new moon sabbath will always be at least 2 days and half the time it will be 3 days. Since 7 sabbaths after Passover will have 2 new moon sabbaths it will never be 50 days. However, after Shavuot you count out 50 days to the feast of New wine.

Jesus ascension looks like a fulfillment of Moses going up the mountain during Shavuot.
 

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Why I like this week for the rapture.

This is now post 4412, I have listened to others, I have gone through the word, I have prayed and I also have been given a dream when i asked for a rapture dream. So then what conclusions can I make?

1. The rapture should be on an appointed feast day. God is the same today, yesterday and forever. He tells us the end from the beginning. The fact that God tells us beforehand is evidence that He is God. Finally in Colossians Paul says the feasts and the sabbaths are a shadow of things to come. For this reason I believe the rapture should be on a feast day.

2. The rapture should not be on a Jewish feast day. I am married and my wedding anniversary is a very special day for my wife. It is bigger than her birthday, bigger than Mother's day, bigger than any other holiday. She has made it clear that all those other days are not so important, but the wedding anniversary is. The rapture is likened to Jacob marrying his Gentile Bride (Leah -- the weak eyes refers to blue eyes). Can you imagine if Leah and Rachel had to share the same wedding anniversary? God created man in His image, so I expect he understands women as well. The church needs her own day. So then we are looking for a Holy convocation established by God from the beginning that is not for Israel, that to me is the 2nd Passover. This is for those "who missed the first Passover". That is the church. There are two categories of people who missed it, those who were unclean because of a dead body (they were dead in trespasses and sins) and they were on a long journey and just returned (Jesus). The first Passover was Israel's exodus from Egypt, it was awesome, something that they were to repeat to every generation thereafter. Therefore the second Passover for the church should be every bit as awesome (my limited understanding of women is that they will compare their wedding to others).

3. The feast days for the Old Covenant that the Jews have are all in the Old Covenant. It seems logical to me that the feast day for the rapture of the church should be in the New Covenant. Sure enough we are only given one day to keep and that is the Lord's table. We do not need to use the Hebrew calendar, or the Torah calendar or the Enoch calendar for this day because Paul calls it "whatever day" which is now on the Gregorian calendar. I expect the rapture of the church to take place on the Lord's day. The Lord's table is supposed to end with our looking to the Lord's second coming.

3. Pastor Sandy with S4C global community has done an amazing job of showing how this year from September of 2021 to September of 2022 is the year of the rapture. This is based on prophecies in Psalms and the Lord Jesus even specifically said that those who are watching for His return must look at the prophecies in Psalms.

4. Many Bible expositors have done a wonderful job comparing the rapture to the various harvests and the first rapture should be the first harvest of the year, so I am looking for a Spring time rapture for the church prior to the tribulation. Others have done an excellent job showing that the tribulation should begin on the feast of trumpets which is September/October. So then we should expect the rapture of the church to take place before the fall. There are a number of verses to support a spring time rapture.

5. The book of Joel tells us that we must have the sun darkened and the moon turn to blood first. This happens twice in this year and only once in the Springtime. Two weeks ago the sun was darkened (partially meaning there will be a partial judgement on the world, after all the church being raptured is part of that world that will escape the judgement). The Moon turns to blood tonight. So far tonight fits everything we have seen so far, it is the Lord's day, it is according to Joel's prophecy, it is the year prophesied of in Psalms, and it is the Second Passover. What are the odds?

But there is more

6. I prayed for a rapture dream and it has taken me a year to get into the depths of this. The dream tied Gethsemane, to the believers in the image and likeness of Jesus as the Body of Christ, and to the Lord's table. The Lord told us we need to take up our cross and follow Him and this dream indicated that the raptured saints do that willingly (unlike Peter who was told he would be crucified against his will -- taken where he didn't want to go) and by faith (unlike doubting Thomas who walked by sight). They also are in Gethsemane, looking like the gardener just like Jesus, and rejected just like Jesus, and at the same time pointed to the Lord's charge that we keep the Lord's table in remembrance of Him. Again, this looks like 2nd Passover to me.

7. There have been a number of dreams that point to the moon being darkened (lunar eclipse which is for one hour) and then turning to blood as the time of the rapture and interestingly this happens at midnight over the US. So it aligns with the midnight cry.

8. The US is considered a Christian country and was consecrated from the outset as a Christian country so it makes sense that the midnight cry would be in the US.

9. The second Passover would be the church's exodus from "Egypt" and interestingly the two solar eclipses that make an X over the US intersect over a portion of Illinois called "little Egypt". The actual intersection point of this X, the crux or cross, is "Carbondale". Man is made of carbon, our flesh is what was crucified. Carbon is what was put on the cross.

10. There have been other dreams that say when we go up Satan comes down. They see fire raining down on the Earth just like Lot leaving Sodom, or just like Revelation 12 saying that the manchild is snatched up to heaven at the same time a third of the stars are cast to earth. That reminds me of the Passover where the children of Israel were safe in the house at the same time the avenging angel was killing all the firstborn.

11. On Passover we see blood on the door and we see blood on the cross. The three points on the door and the three points on the cross make a star of David. The first Passover was judgement on the world. The second Passover is a blood moon, judgement on Israel.

12. Passover was a two part feast. The first half was when Israel left Egypt, the second half was with Joshua when they entered the Good land. Jesus told us at the Lord's table He wouldn't drink it again until He drank it new in the kingdom of the heavens. For 2 thousand years we have celebrated the Lord's table but during the rapture we will celebrate it anew.
 

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Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him. 10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying,

Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast down to the earth, he persecuted the woman that brought forth the man child. 14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
 

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There is a misconception that if you are not raptured before the tribulation you are not saved. This is not true.

The way I look at it, when I was growing up I was on a PeeWee football team. We were champions, we won every game we played. My dad would always go on and on about how great one player on our team was, a kid named Jenkins, who was a running back. My dad said he reminded him of Jim Brown. But on the field, in the game, during practice no one cared about that. We all just were focused on doing our job.

I was on that team for two years and in the first year we flew to Florida to play a championship game. I was on the 2nd string defense and the third string offense. Our third string offense played the entire second half and the running back on the third string had the most yards of any running back. The second string defense played the 2nd and 3rd quarters. So I played more than anyone else on the team. Everyone on the first string was jealous because they only played for one quarter.

To me when the church is raptured before the tribulation that is the first string leaving the game and that lets the 2nd string on the field. Everyone who is raptured will be cheering you on, you are part of the team, and just like that game I played in Florida you guys may get the most yards and score the most points. No one wants to go to the dinner at the end of the season if you never played.

This is Biblical, there are multiple harvests, different plants ripen at different times and they need different conditions. The tribulation will be like the hot summer, that is an intense time to be on the earth. Of course I want to be on the first string, but that doesn't mean being on the second string will be any less fun. My understanding is you will see God with you like no one in human history has seen. We had a foretaste during the Lord's earthly ministry, but during the tribulation you will see the full shock and awe of God with you.
 

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The Rapture is when the Lord has turned back your enemy.

Zephaniah 3:14 Sing, Daughter Zion; shout aloud, Israel! Be glad and rejoice with all your heart, Daughter Jerusalem! 15 The Lord has taken away your punishment, he has turned back your enemy. The Lord, the King of Israel, is with you; never again will you fear any harm.

Why are they watching in the night to prevent the house from being broken into? Clearly they were fearing some harm. We have an enemy and we have a punishment, these are not to destroy us but to adjust us. We need to repent, turn to the Lord, sing and shout aloud, to be glad and rejoice with all our heart. Stop listening to the world, focus on our victorious savior.

16 On that day they will say to Jerusalem, “Do not fear, Zion; do not let your hands hang limp.

"Do not let your hands hang limp" -- this is what we are saying now to the church, you have to wake up and take a stand. The worship team should be at the front of the army carrying the banner.

17 The Lord your God is with you, the Mighty Warrior who saves. He will take great delight in you; in his love he will no longer rebuke you, but will rejoice over you with singing.”

In that day we will be calling the Lord the Mighty Warrior. Our rapture is similar to our exit from Egypt.

18 “I will remove from you all who mourn over the loss of your appointed festivals, which is a burden and reproach for you. 19 At that time I will deal with all who oppressed you. I will rescue the lame; I will gather the exiles. I will give them praise and honor in every land where they have suffered shame.

"In every land" indicates this is worldwide. The Mighty Warrior will be dealing with all who oppressed you. Today we see them shutting down churches, arresting pastors, forbidding the gospel to be spoken, forbidding Bibles, and many other forms of oppression. Many of these organized religions have come out and officially backed the vaccine, why? Because they are mourning the loss of our appointed festivals. If people do not attend the church meeting they don't put money into the offering. Yet the vaccine is made with aborted babies, it doesn't cure anything, it doesn't protect anyone, and it is dangerous. There is no reason that those who have recovered from Covid should be forced to get the vaccine, there is no reason that kids should be required to get the vaccine, and there is no reason that anyone in good health should be forced to get the vaccine under penalty of being fired.

20 At that time I will gather you; at that time I will bring you home. I will give you honor and praise among all the peoples of the earth when I restore your fortunes before your very eyes,” says the Lord.

To "gather you" and to "bring you home" is a reference to the rapture. These verses give you an idea of what manner of time the rapture will take place. There will be a worldwide battle going on, there will be a call for all Christians to brace themselves for this fight, to rejoice in the Lord, and the enemies will include those who are mourning the loss of the appointed festivals to the point they have become worthless shepherds not caring about the flock.
 

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There is a crown stored up for all who long for His appearing


But you keep your head in all situations. Endure hardship. Do the work of an evangelist. For I am ready to be poured out as a drink offering.

Do your best to come quickly for Demas has loved this world and has deserted me. Four of the guys who were with Paul left him for the world. Getting out of Egypt was serious, no easy task. But not everyone who came out of Egypt entered into the good land.

Being born again is a gift from God that you must protect and you must fight for it.
 

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Very cool

So in my rapture dream there was a very distinctive moment when "the body of Christ" (hard to explain) says "thanks for remembering me". I understood that to be a reference to the Lord's table that we eat in remembrance of the Lord. Since I had prayed to specifically concerning the rapture prior to having this dream I felt this was a reference to the rapture taking place after the Lord's table. However, some churches have it on the first Lord's day of the month, some on the Last Lord's day of the month, etc. So I just figured this pointed to the Lord's day.

However, today, May 15th, the third Lord's day of the month, the church where I meet celebrated the Lord's table. I was stunned, it seemed so weird to be doing it today and yet I felt it was from the Lord. Ask and you shall receive!