Summary of Bible references on the Rapture

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Lazarus Reveals the Rapture (part 2)

This lines up with Elijah calling down fire. Prior to this event there were two opinions about the Lord, after it everyone realized Jesus was Lord and they knew who had been telling them the truth and who had been lying.

1Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

It says that God called the sacrifice and called for all the religious leaders to show up.

18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim. 19 Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table.

When a person dies we say that God called them home. When Elijah called down fire there were 450 prophets of Baal and 400 prophets that sat at Jezebel’s table. There are very few events where you would gather so many religious dignitaries in one spot in a way that the whole world could watch. But that is what is depicted in the story of Elijah calling down fire. It is crucial that it coincides with the rapture so that the whole world can see that these religious leaders were not raptured, nor was the Pope raised from the dead. God exposes them as liars during the rapture and everyone was able to see it.

40 And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

This aligns with the Revelation

Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

But we also see that this lines up with the story of Samson as well. Samson pushing out the pillars is a picture of the rapture. It took place in a “house”, that would be analogous to St. Peter’s square, and it happened on a great sacrifice to Dagon.

Judges 16:23 Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Dagon their god, and to rejoice: for they said, Our god hath delivered Samson our enemy into our hand.

The hat that the Pope wears is the same hat that the priests to Dagon wear and a funeral of a Pope could therefore be called a sacrifice to Dagon. The church is called the house of God, so this will cause the Catholic church (house) to collapse.

Judges 16:30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.

And this lines up with Exodus. The last plague before Passover was the three days of darkness. In that plague it is made clear that Pharoah will see Moses no more, a reference to the rapture.

Exodus 10:28 And Pharaoh said unto him, Get thee from me, take heed to thyself, see my face no more; for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die. 29 And Moses said, Thou hast spoken well, I will see thy face again no more.

Three days of darkness refers to the three days that Lazarus was in the grave, and then raised on the fourth day.

Immediately after this we see Moses and Aaron (depicting the two witnesses that will shepherd the tribulation saints through the tribulation but will die before the end of the seventieth week) they announce that it is the first day of the first month for Israel (those left behind).

Exodus 12:1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying, 2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

This lines up perfectly with the story in John. Lazarus is raised from the dead, Jesus goes elsewhere for a few days and then comes and eats with Mary, Martha and Lazarus in Bethany 6 days before the Passover which is Nisan 14. It is understood that Mary and Martha and Lazarus would be unclean for seven days due to the dead body they had touched, so Jesus eats with them the eighth day after the rapture. Lazarus rises from the dead on the last day of Adar prior to the first day of the first month.

Then the last chapter of Exodus reveals that the first day of the first month is when the tabernacle is raised and all the vessels are brought in and all the priests take their place. It is suggested that when we go to heaven it is seven days before we can enter the temple. If we are raptured on the last day of Adar seven years later would be the first day of the first month.

Exodus 40:1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 2 On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation.

Now consider Ruth, she is gleaning in the fields like the poorest of the poor when Boaz marries her. This is a picture of the tribulation saints. The book begins with her in Moab and the two Israelite husbands die. This indicates apostasy, a departure from the faith. However, she cleaves to Naomi, returns to Israel, and so is saved during the tribulation. The rapture is a reaping, it does not take place after the harvest is in, it is the harvest being gathered. So we see that Ruth is there in the field gleaning after the firstfruits have been gathered in. She comes along after the rapture.

Ruth 1:22 So Naomi returned, and Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter in law, with her, which returned out of the country of Moab: and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning of barley harvest.

The beginning of the Barley harvest signifies the first rapture. That is when Lazarus is raised and the saints worshipping the Lord in Luke are no more. The beginning of the Barley harvest in Israel is late March. So this aligns with Lazarus being raised from the grave on the last day of Adar.

In Mark we can also see this rapture event. Only this time it is from the perspective of the left behind saints. Jesus’ baptism is the event in chapter 1. Immediately after this event they are thrust out into the wilderness to fast and pray and be tempted by Satan for forty days.

Mark 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

This is what we learn about in Revelation 12, after the man child is caught up the woman is thrust out into the wilderness.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Paul told us that if we are buried with Christ in the likeness of His death we will also be raised in the likeness of His resurrection.

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

The rapture is conditional. Not all Christians have been buried with Christ in the likeness of His death. If you still “have something” then you aren’t dead. Not all Christians are dead to the world, dead to the flesh, dead to sin, dead to the old man. So then for those that are, the rapture is being raised in the likeness of His resurrection, for those that aren’t it is like being buried in the likeness of His death.

In Matthew we see the same thing, but the book does not begin with the rapture event. Instead it begins with telling us that Jesus is the son of Abraham and the son of David. This is crucial to the Jews. It gives us the genealogy of Jesus from Abraham, again crucial to the Jews. Finally it tells us that God called His son out of Egypt, letting them know that it was prophesied in the OT that Jesus would be seen in the Gentile church first. They will learn all this from the two witnesses, then when the two witnesses die and are then raised for all to see, that will be their baptismal moment.
 

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Lazarus reveals the rapture (part 3)

Then in 2 Kings we learn that on the day that Elijah was raptured the prophets and Elisha all knew about it. Elijah represents those raptured before the tribulation and Elisha represents the tribulation saints where there will be a great revival and he will get a double portion of the Spirit.

2 Kings 2:3 3 And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace.

So although Jesus said no one knows the day or the hour to the twelve disciples we should expect a day before the rapture all the prophets of God know about it. This was also true of Lot, he was given a heads up and it was true of Abraham who knew a few days before Sodom was destroyed. Since every jot and tittle must be fulfilled we should expect that all the prophets of God would know about the day of the rapture at least one day beforehand.
 

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Here is the Pdf on the evidence that the rapture is the last day of Adar

Everything Points to the last day of Adar

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VQ4UbivcX_690JdTPk-_h6gDvQOK3zdF/view?usp=sharing

Everyone has been warned and should be prepared.

1. You want black plastic and duct tape to tape up the windows of your home during the three days of darkness.

2. You need enough candles for the three days but an oil lamp would be better.

3. You need something to read for those three days. I would recommend a King James Bible. I will also include Pdfs of this blog, but any good spiritual book that you trust, could be a biography of a man of God. I would focus on prayer and fasting for the three days, but you can also probably read two or three biographies during this time as well.

4. Plenty of bottled water.

Make sure everything is fully charged. When you see the dancing lights you have a few more hours to get the stuff charged up.

It would probably be advisable at this time to put up signs that say "Jesus Christ is Lord and King of this house" and tape them to the doors and windows when you see the dancing lights. This will keep demons and fallen angels away. Also it is very likely that the darkness will begin at 12 noon Jerusalem time. So you can use that to guesstimate how much time you have.

If you are new to this blog

These are Pdfs anyone can download of all my posts.

The Holy Bible -- King James Version

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ggLlInqsXzE3k2f_2XahguwjP-2ZMvbW/view?usp=sharing

251 Bible verses on that describe when the rapture is

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DD4uTLBu6cPeOQFYYQYmrocCzAWzRLiI/view?usp=sharing

We always hear that no one knows when the rapture will be. Of course the Lord never
said no one knows the year or the season, just the day and the hour. But suppose that
verse means “no one verse knows”. You see you can get one verse in Hosea that does
point to the year and you can get one verse in Amos that does point to the season and
one verse in Jeremiah that does point to the season. Now imagine each of these 108
Bible verses tell us something, none of them tell us “the day or the hour” but they each
narrow down the possible days and hours. In other words they could be a filter
removing days and hours that don’t fit.

The Bible never says no one knows the day or the hour

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12nIi9dF1OhtxKXxmFTxZu-55QtskI0Lc/view?usp=sharing

This is a Pdf that discusses how to discern a false prophet, it also discusses several key verses on the timing of the rapture as well as Ken Peters dream, the writing on the Wall sign and a few other relevant points about thanksgiving, and the Pact for the Future.

Writing on the Wall Sign

Here is a summary of what I posted on this blog concerning the Writing on the Wall sign along with what I have shared on Daniel.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vTKT7SKSow7Ihz83lcqErW50IG5Hod9w/view?usp=sharing

A Letter to those left behind after the rapture

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dM18beTF9Jka3w8XUk10ARkI-cYnltH5/view?usp=sharing

I based most of my letter on the Gospel according to Mark and the Book of Acts.

We are at war -- our enemies are already destroying our communications satellites.

Because of this the internet could go down at any time.

Therefore I expect this forum and especially this blog will be censored and unavailable. After the rapture the internet, TV and radio will all go dark for about 3 weeks, and when it comes back up it will be run by quantum computers giving the Antichrist total control over what everyone can see. As a result I have created these Pdfs. I recommend you download them to a computer or flash drive. This is not because of my interpretation of the word but rather because these all are filled with the word of God. If you are using an online Bible you will greatly appreciate having something like this. Plus, for those who are newly saved it will be an example of how you can read the Bible. I think it will give you something you can read during those three weeks and can help fill you with faith for anyone who is left behind.

We have a few thousand new visitors since the last time I posted these. These are here for anyone to download. In a very short time frame the internet will be fully censored of material on the Bible.

Index of Bible References volumes 1-5

I would have done this for all of them but ran out of time. However, it does help those who are interested in a particular verse to find the verse and what is said about it. One reason I did this was so I could look for verses that had not been referenced.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YK4mY8xfqh13sW00JjXqcusX3a4jqZPRBFvVXh12fVA/edit?usp=sharing

This is a reference of Bible verses in these four volumes.

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 1)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JvGt0moH2kzWMqdxBiO73Gaj7UxxqvfD/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 2)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eAIgnWSGMkVw_Fawa_dbXyJTi1yOWwks/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 3)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Dg9eD4It_H1V8XCMuAc7Im8G2UfuvEjV/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (volume 4)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RwFhRsl7Ww5ZAn1C3ro7VrNCo5baWqPN/view?usp=sharing

Look up your redemption draws near (vol 5)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/160buxQxCAsHjuN7qfTVY7dOQft8VA4L_/view?usp=sharing

Look up your redemption draws near (vol 6)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ewv-l-yh4A2KRcPnQmOJB_51S1HQ095X/view?usp=sharing

Look up, your redemption draws nigh (vol. 7)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7FBpjTk2NNVgYBAATm-3Th3rfeXEDhG/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (8)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkRHsPs36DZ-gFO-UgGUj-mVa63TI1vR/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (9)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xECKmu-anfa0J_Sxn9ysUtpQSG2HVvtt/view?usp=sharing

Look Up, Your Redemption Draws Near (10)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L-3KMmo6qiJsAcP4hQGBbrNrT2Za0p3S/view?usp=sharing

For those who love the Lord's appearing

This is only for those who love the Lord's appearing. It is quite similar to the recent Pdfs I have posted but I have added a few things so that it is now 94 pages.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xJTvILxnEKuTJwly7GevmvogKQOkYSNq/view?usp=sharing

Anyway, do not read this if you are one of those servants that

say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Finally, I have been locked out of this Gmail account where these are all posted. So I suspect very shortly these will be taken down as well. However, I have accessed them this morning so they are still up. But at the moment you can download them.
 

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2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

A damnable heresy is a teaching that denies one of the items of the faith. JW's say that Jesus is not God, that is a damnable heresy. Even denying the Lord that bought them is also a damnable heresy, but they will often disguise this. They will say Jesus was good, He was a prophet, etc. But you need to do something in addition to the blood of Jesus Christ to be forgiven of your sins and to be saved for eternity. Remember the phrase "Jesus plus nothing". Many of these false prophets bring on themselves swift destruction. They get caught in fornication or embezzlement or tax fraud long before they get to old age. So being under a ministry of someone who has been in the word for 50 years is a lot safer than someone who has been saved in the last ten years. That is a general rule of thumb, obviously there are exceptions.
2Peter2:1 is speaking of false teachers (pseudodidaslkaloi) and comparing them to the false prophets (pseudoprofētēs). One can also be under the teaching of a pseudodidaskalos and many will follow them 2Pet2:2.

Re: pseudoprofētēs:
Zech13:2
Jer6:13
Jer33:7
Jer33:8
Jer33:11
Jer33:16
Jer34:9
Jer35:1
Jer36:1
Jer36:8
Matt7:15
Matt24:11
Matt24:24
Mark13:22
Luke6:26
Acts13:6
2Pet2:1
1John4:1 where's this one in the multi-post lesson which is too much to read?
Rev16:13
Rev19:20
Rev20:10

Is not the testing of prophets based on the things that actually come to pass no longer applicable Deut18:21-22? So now we're just stuck with, oh well I missed that one...
 

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2Peter2:1 is speaking of false teachers (pseudodidaslkaloi) and comparing them to the false prophets (pseudoprofētēs). One can also be under the teaching of a pseudodidaskalos and many will follow them 2Pet2:2.

Re: pseudoprofētēs:
Zech13:2
Jer6:13
Jer33:7
Jer33:8
Jer33:11
Jer33:16
Jer34:9
Jer35:1
Jer36:1
Jer36:8
Matt7:15
Matt24:11
Matt24:24
Mark13:22
Luke6:26
Acts13:6
2Pet2:1
1John4:1 where's this one in the multi-post lesson which is too much to read?
Rev16:13
Rev19:20
Rev20:10

Is not the testing of prophets based on the things that actually come to pass no longer applicable Deut18:21-22? So now we're just stuck with, oh well I missed that one...
There are three tests that we are to do in the New Testament

1. Is Jesus Christ Lord and King? Yes, He is.

2. Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh and redeem us with His blood? Yes, He did.

3. Is Jesus Christ God, blessed forever? Yes, praise the Lord.

People have misread Deuteronomy 18.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

The prophet will die, that is of God, could be Judas hanging himself, that is the judgment from God. The crime they committed was to presume to speak a word in the name of the Lord which He had not commanded them to speak. They sinned against the Lord, He will deal with it.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

This is different, hence the word "and". How will you know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? Doesn't mean the person prophesied in the name of the Lord, just means there is a prophecy, how do we know if God spoke it or not? For example, the prophecy of Malachi, you can correlate what he said to 120 Popes. Most of these things have already come to pass long after he died. So yes, we know this is something God spoke because only God can tell the end from the beginning.

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

This does not tell you to stone them, only that you need not be afraid of them. Don't follow them. God will deal with the false prophet. There are many prophecies in the Bible that seemed like they hadn't taken place, in fact the Rabbis collected all the prophecies of the Prophets that they concluded had not yet come to pass to put in the Bible.

So the advice here is to ignore this prophet. But we are never to ignore the word of God. What is very different is interpreting the word of God. Paul said we see through a glass dimly. The church age is filled with very good believers who misinterpreted the Bible but then were corrected.

Deuteronomy is not the test for us to test a false prophet. The real test is in Deuteronomy 13

13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the Lord your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

So then the Lord gives us a number of different scenarios.

1. You have a prophet like Isaiah, Jeremiah, or Ezekiel. Many of their prophecies did come true (not recorded for the most part in the Bible) and they told people to abandon other Gods and return to the Lord Jehovah, which they had known and to serve the Lord. This prophet you need to fear. You treat this word as having come straight from God to you as a warning.

2. You have a prophet like many that are recorded in Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel who make prophecies that don't come to pass. They portray themselves as being representatives of God, them you don't need to fear.

3. People who presume to speak in the name of the Lord saying the Lord has said this, not them, and yet the Lord did not command them to speak on His behalf. These ones God will deal with and they will die. For example, Vicki Goforth Parnell has claimed to be speaking "thus saith the Lord" she says that Gabriel and Michael have visited her with proclamations from heaven's court. She has been doing this for two years, if she was doing this presumptuously she would have died. She hasn't died, that is a strong confirmation that she is in fact speaking at the command of God.

4. People who presume to speak in the name of the Lord, they do miracles which do come to pass, and they tell us to go and worship other Gods which we have not known. These are the false prophets denying the Lord who bought them, they are teaching damnable heresies and in the New Testament age we are to not only excommunicate them but have nothing to do with them, not even to greet them.
 

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@ZNP Deut18 is very clear including 18:22. When someone claiming Christ and, on the surface, passing the 3 tests you state, is telling us the rapture is coming in 2-4 weeks, or other time periods that have come and gone many times over many, many years, many will not pay attention to them any longer and many will and will even make excuses for them as they may make for themselves. Many have been and still are being made merchandise of by both of the labeled people below.

pseudoprofētēs is a real word in the Text and has been a real problem throughout history. I left Deut18:20 out for a reason.

pseudodidaskaloi is also a real word in the Text and a real problem for a few thousand years following Peter.
 

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@ZNP Deut18 is very clear including 18:22. When someone claiming Christ and, on the surface, passing the 3 tests you state, is telling us the rapture is coming in 2-4 weeks, or other time periods that have come and gone many times over many, many years, many will not pay attention to them any longer and many will and will even make excuses for them as they may make for themselves. Many have been and still are being made merchandise of by both of the labeled people below.

pseudoprofētēs is a real word in the Text and has been a real problem throughout history. I left Deut18:20 out for a reason.

pseudodidaskaloi is also a real word in the Text and a real problem for a few thousand years following Peter.
point me to the post of mine that you are claiming is a false prophecy in the name of the Lord because there is a very serious penalty on a false witness
 

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point me to the post of mine that you are claiming is a false prophecy in the name of the Lord because there is a very serious penalty on a false witness
Are you Christian? Are you teaching, proclaiming, prophesying from God's Word? You think there's a formula you can point to that makes Chicken Little proclamations or what may well be false teachings acceptable? How about the damage and harm caused by others in this scheme of things who have made merchandise of Christians and have made Christianity look absurd - no issue?
 

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Are you Christian?
I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, incarnated to be fully human, lived a human life, died as God's passover lamb that we could be redeemed from sin and death, He was buried, rose again on the third day, ascended into heaven, and is now the Lord of all. I believe He poured out the Holy Spirit on Pentecost and I believe He will come again. I have been baptized into the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit proclaiming this faith.

Are you teaching, proclaiming, prophesying from God's Word?
I am sharing from both my experience and what I enjoy in the word of God.

You think there's a formula you can point to that makes Chicken Little proclamations or what may well be false teachings acceptable?
No idea what you are talking about.

How about the damage and harm caused by others in this scheme of things who have made merchandise of Christians
Again, have no idea what that has to do with me. I have not made merchandise of anyone from this blog or any other ministry I have been involved in.

and have made Christianity look absurd - no issue?
Oh is this your concern, you, like Uzzah, are afraid the Ark of Testimony might fall and so you are sticking your hand up to protect the testimony of Jesus from ridicule?

I believe the Lord is well able to protect His testimony and will not suffer fools like Uzzah to presume that protecting his reputation is up to them.

Now I have answered your questions, you have made accusations against me based on my posts on this blog. Provide a link to the offending post. I will not answer any more of your questions until you answer mine.
 

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I am sharing from both my experience and what I enjoy in the word of God.
See here. I don't recall saying you were a false anything. I asked you a few questions.

No idea what you are talking about.
The 3 tests for a false prophet you presented seem formulaic and easily used as an excuse to say one is not making proclamations from the Word of God. The comment wasn't pointed directly at you but asking what you think. Inference? Maybe so but not as much as you may think.

Again, have no idea what that has to do with me. I have not made merchandise of anyone from this blog or any other ministry I have been involved in.
Your presentations IMO easily group you in with a lot of craziness re: the rapture that has gone on for a very long time. Again, read my question and remove yourself from implication if it's easier. But FWIW you come across as being very much in association with the whole sector albeit I don't recall seeing you selling anything.

Oh is this your concern, you, like Uzzah, are afraid the Ark of Testimony might fall and so you are sticking your hand up to protect the testimony of Jesus from ridicule?

I believe the Lord is well able to protect His testimony and will not suffer fools like Uzzah to presume that protecting his reputation is up to them.

Now I have answered your questions, you have made accusations against me based on my posts on this blog. Provide a link to the offending post. I will not answer any more of your questions until you answer mine.
No, it's not my concern. I too think our Lord is well able to handle things. But I do not like watching how our Faith is belittled and harmed in the eyes of many in part because of the things we're discussing.
 

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Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

It is very commonly taught in Christianity that Jesus opening the scroll with seven seals takes place at the start of the 70th week. Which is very weird because everything that they says Jesus had done took place at the time of His ascension. He looked like a lamb as having been slain. He redeemed us and they all sung this song that He was worthy. So to teach this would indicate that for the last two thousand years Jesus was not worthy to open the scroll. That is blasphemy. But there is more, the New Testament tells us that Jesus Christ is Lord of all, and that is what this scroll is. It is the title deed that makes Jesus Lord of all. To be a lord means you are the owner of the land, or house, or people. To insult the Lord saying He is not worthy is blasphemy, to say that He is not Lord of all is a damnable heresy. But it gets even weirder, Paul talks about the mystery hid from ages and generations now being opened. That is this scroll. So how could it be opened at the time of Paul and yet not opened until the start of the 70th week? And yet there is more. Presumably a lot of mysteries like who the Antichrist are in this scroll with the seven seals. If it has not been opened how is it that we all know the number of the Antichrist's name is 666, wouldn't that be something that was hidden in the scroll?

So then I just heard a response, this brother teaches that we are not redeemed until our body is in heaven. He bases this on the verse about the redemption of our bodies.

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Luke 21 is talking about the signs that we will see at the end of the age and so we see that the "redemption of our bodies" will take place at the end of the age. This word "redemption" apolytrōsis means b. to let one go free on receiving the price: Plato, legg. 11, p. 919a.; Polybius 22, 21, 8; [cf.] Diodorus 13, 24), a releasing effected by payment of ransom; redemption, deliverance, liberation procured by the payment of a ransom;

For example, a person is kidnapped, you pay the ransom, and once the ransom is paid they release the kidnapped person. For example, think about this war in the Mid East where Hamas kidnapped some Israelis, they negotiated their release and then they were released. This word is translated as "deliverance" in Hebrews 11.

In Romans 8 the word is equated to our adoption.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption G629 of our body.

This word "adoption" is quite different from what most people might understand. This is not referring to adopting a baby that was born to someone else to be your own baby. Instead, you have to think of John D. Rockefeller or some other magnate who makes his son the CEO. The Father has a great business, He also has children. You would not put an eleven year old in charge of your business. But at some point the son is fully trained and capable to run the business and so the necessary legal documents are signed making him the CEO. That is what this word adoption means. As children of God we are heirs of God, that does not require maturity, but we have not yet been granted the position to rule and reign. The gospels say at the end of the age some Christians will rule over cities. That is equivalent to the adoption.

However, the word for redeemed in Revelation 5:9 agorazō is very different, it means to buy. We were bought with a price, the precious blood of Jesus Christ. That is past tense.

Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth G59 that field.

This is the first use of the word "redeemed" in the New Testament.

1 Corinthians 6:20a For ye are bought G59 with a price:

This is past tense, it is a damnable heresy to say that this has not yet happened. This is what Peter in 2 Peter refers to concerning false teachers who will even deny the Lord who bought us.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought G59 them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Initially the doctrine was simply blasphemy, but now they are doubling down with a damnable heresy.

My hope is that the people teaching this are ignorant of the Book of Ephesians and are simply ignorant. But it is quite discouraging that they would double down in this way.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed G1805 us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

This word is exagorazō it is the same word as agorazō but with an ex in front. That means "from". We are redeemed from a curse. Again, this is a basic truth in the New Testament. Jesus opened the scrolls after He bought us. He is not waiting 2,000 years until after we are made kings to rule on the earth.

Ephesians 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

This is a fact, not a prophecy of what is to come. The book of Revelation is the conclusion to the Bible, it isn't bringing in new doctrines about mysteries no one had previously talked about. It is another view of what Paul was talking about in Ephesians.

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

The scroll with seven seals is a title deed to our inheritance. Paul and John are talking about the same scroll, the same mystery, and it has been opened. That doesn't mean that it is made known to everyone, only to those who by revelation, read Paul and understand through the Spirit. This is why Paul and Peter were casting out demons, we are fellowheirs, in Christ all things are under our feet. This is not future, this is present, but only for those in the Spirit.

Now in the future everyone will be able to see and everyone will bow their knee and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That has not happened yet, but just because someone is blind to the fact does not change the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord, today, and that we are fellowheirs with Him, today.
 

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The 3 tests for a false prophet you presented seem formulaic and easily used as an excuse to say one is not making proclamations from the Word of God.
1John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.

These are not formulaic, they are legally binding. God is a lawful God. The demons can say that Jesus is the son of God, that is not a test. They said that repeatedly in the gospels. But they cannot say that He is come in the flesh, because that blood breaks every chain and frees us. They can say that Jesus is a prophet and a good man, that also is not a test. They cannot say that Jesus is Lord because they serve Satan and to say that would be seen as treason in the kingdom of darkness. These words have power, and that power is very great if they are spoken in faith. Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, His blood redeems me from sin, and He is Lord of all.

James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Again, that is not a test.

2 Corinthians 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

If a man is a servant of Satan he can disguise himself, he can pretend, he can act the part, but he cannot say that Jesus Christ is Lord, because he serves Satan. No genuine believer would have a problem saying Jesus Christ is Lord, so it is a reasonable test to ask. You know that JW's are not genuine believers and they deny Jesus is God, you know that Muslims are not believers and they deny that Jesus is Lord.

Now what you will find is many who you believe are teaching bad doctrine believe Jesus is Lord and that He is the incarnated God. The number of "servants of Satan" disguised as "angels of light" are generally easy to spot. These are your "prosperity gospel preachers" and "tele evangelists". They have huge ministries, etc.

Most Christians wind up fighting with other Christians and hurling insults over trivial doctrinal issues. In Ephesians 4 Paul gives us the seven key items of the faith, those are the things we are to contend for.
 

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Now what you will find is many who you believe are teaching bad doctrine believe Jesus is Lord and that He is the incarnated God. The number of "servants of Satan" disguised as "angels of light" are generally easy to spot. These are your "prosperity gospel preachers" and "tele evangelists". They have huge ministries, etc.
You're saying these are servants of satan yet we hear them state openly that Jesus is Lord and has come in the flesh, etc. This is why I said the tests sounded formulaic. A liar has little to no problem saying anything in order to work his scheme. I'm not certain we're reading 1John4 or 1Cor12 with sufficient understanding.
 

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You're saying these are servants of satan yet we hear them state openly that Jesus is Lord and has come in the flesh, etc. This is why I said the tests sounded formulaic. A liar has little to no problem saying anything in order to work his scheme. I'm not certain we're reading 1John4 or 1Cor12 with sufficient understanding.
No, I am saying that most people who are called "false teachers" are simply Christians, in some cases they may be teaching in error. But if they are not speaking blasphemy or teaching a damnable heresy it is trivial. For example, pre-trib or post-trib. I have a blog on the rapture with over 13,000 posts and yet I have all but ignored this debate. Why? It is trivial from those who do not understand the word. If you read my posts you will see I do very clearly explain what the Bible teaches that is relevant to this debate, and yet the blog has not been hijacked with people pushing their pet doctrine.

There are many tests, and so far I have given posts on False prophets 1-8, with a few addendums.

The post is not "Liars 1-8". The Bible tells us a lot about how to discern a lie.

Satan will do whatever he can to keep people from the Lord. Obviously JWs and Islam do the best, but if you reject that and believe in Jesus Christ it doesn't mean that Satan quits and throws in the towel. He still has a whole bag of tricks he can use.
 

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Here I will address quarrels between Christians. It is a sad display we see on Social Media where Christians go beyond being Bereans and questioning to quarrels and fights.

James 4:1 What causes quarrels and what causes fights among you? Is it not this, that your passions[a] are at war within you?[b]

The first rule is people are in their flesh, their old man, their ego has been insulted, etc. James is explaining what is causing fights among Christians by asking what causes any natural man to fight. It always amazed me how easily some people will get into fights, it is almost as though they do it for fun. It is a problem with ego, that is what is at war within you. They may think they are getting beaten up in their marriage or at the job, and so they want to take it out on someone else. Being beaten up makes them feel small, so beating someone else up is supposed to balance their ego.

2 You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel.

So what is putting our ego out of whack, it is that we covet. Maybe you are not happy with your salary, maybe you are not happy with your social standing, whatever it is you covet, you can't obtain it, so you fight and quarrel.

You do not have, because you do not ask.

So now James is transitioning to a believer who prays to God. If you don't have, then ask. For example, suppose I don't have any respect among other Christians because I am ignorant and don't know the word. Ask, God will give you revelation. Suppose I need another brother or sister at work, ask. Suppose I need a wife that is not a serpent. Ask, God will give you a fish, not a serpent. Suppose I need a husband who is not a stone. Ask, God will give you a loaf of bread and not a stone.

3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask wrongly, to spend it on your passions.

But most Christians do not pray in that way. Instead they pray for a better job. Perhaps God has you at that job to be a witness to someone. They want to buy a house with a swimming pool or a fancy car. Those things will not help your fellowship with God, on the contrary it will draw you away. Your priorities are wrong. Seek first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you.

4 You adulterous people![c] Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

Can you imagine? There are Christians praying to improve their relationship with the world. Why? The world crucified Jesus, do you really think it is a good thing to be friends with a murderer who killed our savior?

5 Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”?

You have no idea how great a work the Lord wants to do in you and through you. It is far beyond anything you could ask or think. But you assume you know better. Pray that the Lord's will would be done, that means you put your will to death. As long as you are praying for your will to be done Jesus is not Lord in your life, not in a practical sense.

6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

I hated Tom Brady right up until he went to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the team with the worst playoff record in the NFL. When he did that and took that humble team to win the Super bowl, that was what convinced me. So why would you desire to be "less humble". The smaller we are the greater the glory to the Lord in how He works through you.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Do not resist the devil in yourself. That is a recipe for getting your head smashed in. First, you submit to God, make Jesus Christ the Lord of your life. Be obedient to everything He tells you and He will lead you in victory over the devil. Then by all means, resist the devil and he will flee from you.

8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.

This is where your heart should be, how can I spend more time with the Lord? How can I draw nearer to Him?

Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

The only way to cleanse your hands and purify your hearts is to spend time in God's word. Time in prayer, time in worship and time in fellowship. But let's be real there are many Christians who are double-minded. If you come to a meeting and ask the Pastor to keep the sermon short because there is a big game you want to see, that is double minded.

9 Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.

Pride goes before a fall. How many times have we seen these ones laughing only for it to be turned to gloom. When the Tampa Bay Buccaneers went to the Superbowl, that same year they lost both regular season games to the New Orleans Saints. After their second loss their quarterback was dancing and laughing. He had been traded to them when they got Brady. The third time they met was in the playoffs and this time they lost. God is adjusting us, we don't want to proud, arrogant or obnoxious.

10 Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.

It is amazing to me how few humble athletes there are. But I heard Gretzky tell a story and it was hilarious how humble he is. His son wanted to go to the NHL Hall of fame. He said fine, he would take him, but he had to do something so no one would recognize him. One of the displays had them shooting pucks at this goal. His son scored all three times, but he was unable to so the guy running this started giving him pointers on how to hold the stick and shoot! Can you imagine, the guy with every record in the record book!

11 Do not speak evil against one another, brothers.[d] The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

It is perfectly OK to question a doctrine, ask what Bible verses it is based on, and even reject it. In many cases I hear things I don't understand, and I simply tell the Lord -- I don't understand this, please open my eyes as to what is going on. Leave it up to Him. But I see many of these "questionings" grow into quarrels and fights online and then they start taking shots at each other.

12 There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?

We are not a judge. However, we can still know the law. We can know what is blasphemy against the Lord, we can know what is a damnable heresy, and the New Testament tells us clearly how to respond to these. But if the person is not denying the seven items of the faith that Paul mentions in Ephesians 4, if they are not a false prophet that Peter describes in 2 Peter 2, if this is not someone that Jude is referring to in his epistle, then tone it down. Agree to disagree. Agree to pray about it.
 

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The number of "servants of Satan" disguised as "angels of light" are generally easy to spot. These are your "prosperity gospel preachers" and "tele evangelists". They have huge ministries, etc.
No, I am saying that most people who are called "false teachers" are simply Christians, in some cases they may be teaching in error
There are several who fit your servants of satan description who say Jesus is Lord. By servants of satan I assume you meant unbelievers rather than believers taken captive to do satan's will.

At the end of all of this you're seemingly convinced of your eschatology and no matter how prolific a writer you are, this in itself doesn't mean you're correct, and there are many well-studied Christians who disagree with you and with each other re: eschatology.

You sounded convinced of your timelines after I first asked you some questions that were directed at financial matters. As I essentially said at one point, we have just a few weeks to see how your thinking turns out. I'm happy to be going home if you're correct, which I admittedly and seriously doubt. If we're not I just see it as more lightly shaking my head reading that I've seen for a long time here and there. If these posts were not intermixed with news on the news forum, I'd likely not be reading any eschatology posts.
 

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There are several who fit your servants of satan description who say Jesus is Lord. By servants of satan I assume you meant unbelievers rather than believers taken captive to do satan's will.
No, Paul is very clear, these particular "servants of Satan" are "disguised" as angels of light.

At the end of all of this you're seemingly convinced of your eschatology and no matter how prolific a writer you are, this in itself doesn't mean you're correct, and there are many well-studied Christians who disagree with you and with each other re: eschatology.

You sounded convinced of your timelines after I first asked you some questions that were directed at financial matters. As I essentially said at one point, we have just a few weeks to see how your thinking turns out. I'm happy to be going home if you're correct, which I admittedly and seriously doubt. If we're not I just see it as more lightly shaking my head reading that I've seen for a long time here and there. If these posts were not intermixed with news on the news forum, I'd likely not be reading any eschatology posts.
I do not use timelines. There are brothers and sisters who do, but that is not something I do. My thought is that it doesn't hurt to try and tabulate all the different periods of time given in the Bible. But when you try to put it into a timeline there are too many assumptions made. If you look I don't make any post without it being directly linked to a Bible verse.

For example I am very impressed with the Biblical basis to say that the three days of darkness and the rapture take place prior to Nisan 1, but at the very end of Adar. That is the culmination of five years of work even though I was not trying to find out when the rapture was. It is just that I pay attention to all the relevant verses and they came together in a way that is very convincing. However, I have not given a year. So in that sense you can argue I haven't given the day either much less the hour. However, there are other brothers who are spending a lot of time making a case for 2025. If you are familiar with the Lord's word about the rapture there is no verse that says no one knows the year, nor is there a verse saying no one knows the season. So anyone claiming the Bible says we cannot know the year has no idea what they are talking about.

Still it has a whole lot to do with when Jesus was crucified. I find the evidence for 32 compelling, but have not done some of the study which involves archaelogy and historical records.

That said I have been very excited about previous dates. In my opinion the problem is not that we did bad study, it is that Christianity did not touch this topic and we had to do all the study on our own, so we were playing catch up the last five years. But even though we have discarded a lot of guesses, I have not discarded a single Bible verse.

To my knowledge I am the only one saying Adar 30 is the date of the rapture. I listen to many other theories, and I am not so arrogant as to think I have the answers and they don't. It is just that all these other theories are not presented in a way that I find persuasive because they don't use Bible verses. For example, one brother has calculated that the Jubilee year began March 13th of this year. I do not understand how he did that, but he has been working on it for twenty years and I think he has done solid research. So he predicted the rapture would be March 13th. I asked why? What Bible verse would lead you to think that? However, when he said March 13th he did provide a range from 13th to 16th. But again, no Bible verse. Another brother believes it is Shavuot, but again, he is hanging that interpretation on one or two verses. I have 25 verses pointing to Adar 30.

But regardless, I will occupy till the Lord comes. The value for me is a better understanding of the Bible.

If someone has a problem with this then don't read the blog, no one is forcing you.
 

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No, Paul is very clear, these particular "servants of Satan" are "disguised" as angels of light.
We're talking past one another.

If someone has a problem with this then don't read the blog, no one is forcing you.
You seem defensive. Such are eschatology discussions.

When I said something about "timelines" I meant you're essentially setting timelines - dates within the next 2-4 weeks or whatever you said. So, again, we're talking past one another.

You've got a lot invested in all your posts and videos and articles and in your date setting. Do you just regroup if a month comes and goes and you're still here? Do you have a backup if your thinking is wrong? What's next on the horizon or does this come next month? Do you have a summary version, a Readers Digest short version?
 

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We're talking past one another.



You seem defensive. Such are eschatology discussions.

When I said something about "timelines" I meant you're essentially setting timelines - dates within the next 2-4 weeks or whatever you said. So, again, we're talking past one another.

You've got a lot invested in all your posts and videos and articles and in your date setting. Do you just regroup if a month comes and goes and you're still here? Do you have a backup if your thinking is wrong? What's next on the horizon or does this come next month? Do you have a summary version, a Readers Digest short version?
The blog is not about date setting. There are 13,000 posts, I have shared links from others, but from me there have only be a couple that could be seen as pointing to a specific date. Without any question 99% of the posts are not about when. I was interested in putting the Pandemic into perspective based on the Bible, and the vaccine mandate, and Trump and Biden and Ukraine and Hamas and the economy and gold and silver and everything else. But as I put the various pieces together it became very clear how close we were to the start of the 70th week.

Like I said for me I am studying the Bible. The reason to say a date is because you are testing a theory, just like they do in science with a hypothesis. If you are wrong you reassess your interpretation. The problem with most eschatology is it skips when the rapture is and instead tells you everything else so they never have to reassess. I have to reassess when the rapture doesn't take place which means I still have time. They will have to reassess after the rapture takes place so they have no time. Their very process is deceitful. If they are wrong who will hold them accountable? No one.