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Just in case what? I keep it because it is for my benefit. Have you read anything i have posted.
Do you keep it according to the law?? I would venture to say you do not..
Sunday - the first day of the week
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Just in case what? I keep it because it is for my benefit. Have you read anything i have posted.
Do you keep it according to the law?? I would venture to say you do not..
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No, this is not what the sabbath is. No where in the command to moses does it say this, We should give everyday to the Lord. However, as Paul said, It does not matter if we set aside one day, or many days, as long as we do it for the Lord. and we should NOT judge others for however they do it..
The sabbath is the day to rest. Do nothing. Rest your physical bodies and minds. The church twisted the meaning to this.
I think we would all do well to reflect and dwell upon Christ's rest from his work in sanctifying us. He labored and suffered tremendously for many years in order to bring us to GOD; and now being perfected, he rests forever in his accomplished work that sanctifies us in every moment of every day. Unlike us, when GOD does something, he does it right the first time and doesn't have to go back to make it better. It is finished.
So let us strive to enter into his rest every day, not just one day a week. In that we will grow to know and love him, and become more like him. It just seems so demeaning to his sacrifice to limit this to one day a week.
Personally, I have never had an experience of feeling Saturday was more holy or better than any other day. But I have experienced and worshiped the sanctfying power of the holy spirit each day of the week. And that is the spirit behind the letter of the law.
So let us strive to enter into his rest every day, not just one day a week. In that we will grow to know and love him, and become more like him. It just seems so demeaning to his sacrifice to limit this to one day a week.
Personally, I have never had an experience of feeling Saturday was more holy or better than any other day. But I have experienced and worshiped the sanctfying power of the holy spirit each day of the week. And that is the spirit behind the letter of the law.
12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Satan will offer you Sunday. God has Given us His Sabbath. I will be blunt with you. You have told me that i have a pride that will not be broken. I tell you that the Mark of the Beast to be enforced is the false Sunday Sabbath that you now uphold. You would do well to investigate. You have erred concerning the Law of God. Sure hope you reconsider. A Sunday movement is about to occur. I'm telling you,, Catholics along with Protestants will soon organize and unite. And their theme will be sunday keeping and they will use their political power and make it a law in their attempt to legislate morality and bring peace to the world. The result of Sunday enforcement is called: The Mark of the Beast.
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Man, I have never seen any one so hardened in all my life.
1. I have said over and over here I believe the sabbath is saturday. Yet as you ALWAYS do. You ignore what I say and make false accusations against me.
2. If you think the mark of the beast is Sunday. You have even more Issues. The beast will DESTROY the harlot (false church) it is not going to be his mark. The mark of the beast will be a financial thing. You should try to do more studying.
3. As I have shown. The sabbath is not even what you make it out to be. It is a day of REST. I venture to say you cook is this correct? does your wife? Do you watch tv or go out to dinner? if you do any of these things, YOU are breaking the sabbath, or causing others too. which would make you a hypocrite.
Satan did not offer me sunday.
1. The Disciples broke bread (assembled) on the first day of the week. (assembly or church)
2. Paul told the Church at corinth to make collection for the saints on the first day of the week.
You just can't see it.. Your judging what Paul told you NOT to judge..
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HeRoseFromTheDead again.
i suppose you and unbelieving jews will be spared then.
what nonsense.
Christ suffered and died to save men and they will be damned over A DAY OF THE WEEK??
blasphemy.
NOT saved by Grace through faith - saved by staying home on Saturday.
(please click the blue link at the end of each post - it's an EXIT ministry for Seventh Day Adventists - they can help you).
perhaps its you who needs to investigate - Catholic-Jewish dialogue has SATURDAY being the topic for discussion concerning 'sabbath-keeping'.
good luck with it.
the Daughter (Rome) does what her Mother (Judaism) tells her to do.
(no offense to my catholic friends...RC did fight a good fight for a long time. anybody who claims the RC was false and corrupt from the beginning doesn't know nuthin - it took a long time....RC did fight and there was struggle for the faith - until she finally anathematized the Gospel itself
...she still does a lot of good in this world....the corruptions of the leadership aside)she was infiltrated and destroyed from within.
the usual suspects.
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if you're not killing people in your community for defiling the sabbath, you're guilty as well.
The Law is clear on it.
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If that was true, we should still be killing people for committing adultery. Obviously Jesus changed that. He now forgives, but He still doesn't Ok adultery.
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Notice also that this Sabbath "SIGN" (Exodus 31:13) is between God and "the sons of Israel" (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.
Nehemiah 9:13-14 indicates that the Sabbath was not given to be kept by anyone until it was given to Israel in the wilderness. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses." (NIV).
DOESN'T THE BIBLE SAY THAT THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN?
"And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27. Sabbatarians often use this verse to say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man".
When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.
The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. It is clearly stated that God did not give the Sabbath or other commandments to the fathers before (see verses 2-3).
One writer has brought up the point that this text shows that the Sabbath was not a part of the "moral" Law to be kept by all mankind from the beginning, for it had to be made. It was made in Exodus 16-20. Notice also that this text does not say it was made for man from the "beginning," as was marriage (cf Matthew 19:4ff). WHICH OTHER OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS HAD TO BE MADE? --NOT ONE! (Gerald N. Wright, Sabbatarian Concordance & Commentary, Star Bible & Tract Corp., 1977, pp. 78-79).
Wright commenting on this passage says: "The other nine [commandments] were (and are) inherently right from the beginning, reflecting God's righteous nature and being naturally a part of man's moral character, who was made in the image of God (cf Romans 2:14). Which command other than the sabbath is lower than man--subject to being set aside under certain circumstances? When, or under what circumstances, can man lawfully commit adultery? Obviously, never! Man's life is not above God's holy and moral laws. Yet even a sheep's life is more important than rigid enforcement of the sabbath (Matthew 12:10-12)!
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Notice also that this Sabbath "SIGN" (Exodus 31:13) is between God and "the sons of Israel" (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.
Nehemiah 9:13-14 indicates that the Sabbath was not given to be kept by anyone until it was given to Israel in the wilderness. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses." (NIV).
DOESN'T THE BIBLE SAY THAT THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN?
"And He was saying to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." Mark 2:27. Sabbatarians often use this verse to say that the Sabbath was made for all mankind, but the text doesn't say that. It doesn't say, "The Sabbath was made for "mankind", it says, "the Sabbath was made for man".
When the Scripture is meant to be inclusive of all mankind it is clear. See Matthew 28:19; John 3:16; Acts 2:17; I Timothy 2:4; Titus 2:11. These verses clearly indicate that when God offers something to all mankind He clearly offers it to all.
The Sabbath was not offered to all the nations. It was given only to the nation of Israel. Look at Deuteronomy 5:1-15 which gives the commandments to Israel. It is clearly stated that God did not give the Sabbath or other commandments to the fathers before (see verses 2-3).
One writer has brought up the point that this text shows that the Sabbath was not a part of the "moral" Law to be kept by all mankind from the beginning, for it had to be made. It was made in Exodus 16-20. Notice also that this text does not say it was made for man from the "beginning," as was marriage (cf Matthew 19:4ff). WHICH OTHER OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS HAD TO BE MADE? --NOT ONE! (Gerald N. Wright, Sabbatarian Concordance & Commentary, Star Bible & Tract Corp., 1977, pp. 78-79).
Wright commenting on this passage says: "The other nine [commandments] were (and are) inherently right from the beginning, reflecting God's righteous nature and being naturally a part of man's moral character, who was made in the image of God (cf Romans 2:14). Which command other than the sabbath is lower than man--subject to being set aside under certain circumstances? When, or under what circumstances, can man lawfully commit adultery? Obviously, never! Man's life is not above God's holy and moral laws. Yet even a sheep's life is more important than rigid enforcement of the sabbath (Matthew 12:10-12)!
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great!
Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Romans 14:5
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
NO "INSPIRED" WRITER MAKES ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE "MORAL" LAW & THE "CEREMONIAL" LAWS.
"(2) The Sabbath in its nature, is itself a ceremonial law: the moral law is all law which appeals to the conscience, and needs no written revelation; but as to which day to observe, or whether to observe any day at all, conscience is silent. If we are to distinguish between the moral and the ceremonial law, on the ground that one is passed, and the other still in force, then--as the Sabbath is purely ceremonial law--it is passed. But the most important point still remains. (3)
I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel.
Worship of God only is enjoined fifty times in the New Testament; idolatry is forbidden twelve times; profanity four times; honor of father and mother is commanded six times; adultery is forbidden twelve; theft six; false witness four; and covetousness, nine times. "The Ten Commandments," as Luther says, "do not apply to us Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews." So the Sabbath--except in a single passage where, classing it with the entire law, he declares it has been totally abolished. So the early Church held."
--D. M. Panton, cited in Heresies Exposed, Compiled by Irvine, pp. 164-165.
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"I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel."
.....
this is the dividing line between Christians and Jews (and Judaizers).
THE GOSPEL.
which is filled with moral law and imperatives...for our sanctification.
it is THESE Laws which are written on our NEW hearts - Paul is crystal clear on in.
the Son has set us free.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
as is John:
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
you're either condemned by The Law; under it as a harsh pedagogue leading you to responsible freedom as a mature son - or you have arrived at saving faith in the Son.
FREE.
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
"(2) The Sabbath in its nature, is itself a ceremonial law: the moral law is all law which appeals to the conscience, and needs no written revelation; but as to which day to observe, or whether to observe any day at all, conscience is silent. If we are to distinguish between the moral and the ceremonial law, on the ground that one is passed, and the other still in force, then--as the Sabbath is purely ceremonial law--it is passed. But the most important point still remains. (3)
I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel.
Worship of God only is enjoined fifty times in the New Testament; idolatry is forbidden twelve times; profanity four times; honor of father and mother is commanded six times; adultery is forbidden twelve; theft six; false witness four; and covetousness, nine times. "The Ten Commandments," as Luther says, "do not apply to us Gentiles and Christians, but only to the Jews." So the Sabbath--except in a single passage where, classing it with the entire law, he declares it has been totally abolished. So the early Church held."
--D. M. Panton, cited in Heresies Exposed, Compiled by Irvine, pp. 164-165.
The Sabbath & Sunday
"I, as a Christian, obey all law that is moral in the Decalogue, not because it is in the Law, but because it is in the Gospel."
.....
this is the dividing line between Christians and Jews (and Judaizers).
THE GOSPEL.
which is filled with moral law and imperatives...for our sanctification.
it is THESE Laws which are written on our NEW hearts - Paul is crystal clear on in.
the Son has set us free.
Romans 6:14
For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
as is John:
John 1:17
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
you're either condemned by The Law; under it as a harsh pedagogue leading you to responsible freedom as a mature son - or you have arrived at saving faith in the Son.
FREE.
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
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SOME SABBATARIANS CLAIM THAT THE SABBATH IS THE SEAL OF GOD
The Seal of God is NOT the Sabbath! The Bible tells us clearly that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer the moment he is saved.
Ephesians 1:13 says, "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory."
Ephesians 4:30 warns, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 states "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge."
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The Seal of God is NOT the Sabbath! The Bible tells us clearly that the Seal of God is the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer the moment he is saved.
Ephesians 1:13 says, "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory."
Ephesians 4:30 warns, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 states "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge."
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IS A SABBATH KEEPING CHURCH THE "REMNANT" OR COMMANDMENT KEEPING CHURCH THAT IS SPOKEN OF IN REVELATION 12:17?
Rev. 12:17 says, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."
In the New Covenant, what are the "Commandments" of God?
Does this mean Ten Commandments?
NO! The Greek word used for the Ten Commandments is "NOMOS". That word is not used here.
The word used here is "ENTELE" and means "teachings".
John clarifies this and actually tells us what the "commandments" are that we are to keep:
I John 5:1-3 says, "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome."
These verses are often used to teach people that they must keep the Ten Commandments, especially the Sabbath. However, the Apostle John defines the "commandments" for us. In the prior chapter he defines them explicitly. "Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in is sight. And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. And the one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him..."
I John 3:21-24a.
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are we keeping; guarding; holding to the teachings (doctrines) of God....which are ALL about (the testimony of) Jesus Christ?
that's who will be persecuted.
Paul already said clearly who was being and would be persecuted, and who was and would be doing the persecuting (we can include the Judaizers who have climbed over the wall of the sheep pen in this - thanks to Dispensationalism and the 4 waves - thieves and robbers):
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Rev. 12:17 says, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus."
In the New Covenant, what are the "Commandments" of God?
Does this mean Ten Commandments?
NO! The Greek word used for the Ten Commandments is "NOMOS". That word is not used here.
The word used here is "ENTELE" and means "teachings".
John clarifies this and actually tells us what the "commandments" are that we are to keep:
I John 5:1-3 says, "Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome."
These verses are often used to teach people that they must keep the Ten Commandments, especially the Sabbath. However, the Apostle John defines the "commandments" for us. In the prior chapter he defines them explicitly. "Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God; and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in is sight. And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. And the one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him..."
I John 3:21-24a.
The Sabbath & Sunday
are we keeping; guarding; holding to the teachings (doctrines) of God....which are ALL about (the testimony of) Jesus Christ?
that's who will be persecuted.
Paul already said clearly who was being and would be persecuted, and who was and would be doing the persecuting (we can include the Judaizers who have climbed over the wall of the sheep pen in this - thanks to Dispensationalism and the 4 waves - thieves and robbers):
Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,
“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”
28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
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