Support Israel? Yes or No? And Why?

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God's land agreement makes the Israelites tenants though, not land owners.

Leviticus 25:23 The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine; with me you are but aliens and tenants. 24 Throughout the land that you hold, you shall provide for the redemption of the land.

So I am not sure a title deed exists
No, sorry, I was addressing Surf. We're talking about more modern times. There are actually deeds involved and it is an ongoing fight in court. Not going all the way back to the OT this time. lol
 
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No, sorry, I was addressing Surf. We're talking about more modern times. There are actually deeds involved and it is an ongoing fight in court. Not going all the way back to the OT this time. lol
When the Jews were expelled from Spain 500 years ago, a lot of them kept their front door keys.

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If I had just bought a very old house in Andalucia and a man came up to the front door with the key.....
 

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No, sorry, I was addressing Surf. We're talking about more modern times. There are actually deeds involved and it is an ongoing fight in court. Not going all the way back to the OT this time. lol
why is it those who want to use the term "Modern" in reference to Israel or other Biblical things, seem to think it changes God's perspective because we are in a " modern time"?

Think those well-educated types need lessons in the unchanging God. The one who is the same yesterday and today and Forever.
 

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Th reason why I believe the antichrist will sit in a temple is 1. Prophecy forth tells and foretells 2. the plans to build the temple are in place and very well may happen in the next 10 years. This next war Israel is about to have will usher in peace once those who are planning to attack them. But I believe and agree I want to say that is my opinion and I could be wrong.

I am not a prophet, nor am I who knows all.
I agree that scripture teaches of a future temple, and a human man to be revealed as (The Man of Sin/The Antichrist) Isaiah 66:1-4, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-11

As seen below, the fulfilling of the Gentiles would be a start of the 3.5 year tribulation, and scripture strongly suggests it will be attacking Arab nations?

Israel/Jerusalem will see the future fulfilling of the Gentiles for 42 months Rev 11:2, and the future slaughter of 2/3 will be cut off and die Zechariah 13:8, Luke 21:21-22

Revelation 11:2KJV
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Zechariah 13:8KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

Luke 21:20-23KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
 
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kaylagrl

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When the Jews were expelled from Spain 500 years ago, a lot of them kept their front door keys.

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If I had just bought a very old house in Andalucia and a man came up to the front door with the key.....

Wow, my parents are constantly loosing their keys. Got them a key rack and they forget to put them back there. smh But this is a much more recent issue and is actually in the courts today as to who should have ownership.
 

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Well, I happen to use only the KJV. I also happen to believe that it is the most accurate and preserved translation of the Bible. That’s why it’s nice to hear others using it as well!
I have a KJVNKJVNIVNNIVNASBAMP1911 it's very big and heavy
 
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So, to you, the Christian who took the land from another that didn't belong to them, kicked them out of their home, and now refuses to give it back, you side with them because you think that's a Christian thing to do? Surf you were just decrying it two seconds ago when it was the Palestinian. When I corrected you, you did an about face. Man, I love ya in the Lord brother, but that is racism, pure and simple. Check your heart my friend.
I don't side with the Christian "because that's a Christian thing to do". I support Christians because I am one! And I recognize if any entity/organization wants to survive, it must practice in-group preference. I believe in taking care of my family before outsiders. I believe in looking out for my neighbors over out-of-towners. Friends over strangers. And Christians over jews. And if that's "racism", then I'll proudly wear that label.

Does this mean I'd support an American if I see him raping an Australian kid? No. It means I'm gonna default to supporting the people in my own group unless there is some compelling case not to. And the more that I see my group as being under attack, then the more compelling the case would have to be for me to not support them.

I would highly recommend you to read up about r/K selection. Check this out. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory-2/
 

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Well, I happen to use only the KJV. I also happen to believe that it is the most accurate and preserved translation of the Bible. That’s why it’s nice to hear others using it as well!
Your 100% Correct! :giggle:

The New Bible versions NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, Etc are backed by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) "Created" by Adulterers Kurt and Barbara Aland, and Homosexual union supporter, roman catholic jesuit cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

Of course God didn't preserve his words through these ungodly characters

60 KJV translators, confessing God fearing Christian scholars, beyond comparison, can be seen in the attached link below

(King James Translators)

P.S. I watched your video clip on the pastor's sermon, thumbs up!

Jesus Is The Lord :)
 

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None of this has anything to do with modern Israel. Israel is defending her homeland, the same as any other country would do. Israel wouldn't be here otherwise. Surrounded by enemies on every hand. Terrorists are attacking their homeland, they have a right to live in peace.
If modern Israel use hatred and violence, modern Israel can never solve the problem.

Mark 3:24 3:25 3:26

24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.


Muslims say they are also descended from Abraham

What is Satan ? eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,kill for kill.
Hamas and Jews do the same thing,No one is justice.

IF modern Israel still Reject Jesus and learning from Jesus such as love others as yourself ,


The Jews said that they had no home and they were wandering,
Expelled all Palestinians,then all Palestinians will be the same as the Jews at the past .

How can you expect Hamas not to hate you and attack you ?
 

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Your 100% Correct! :giggle:

The New Bible versions NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, Etc are backed by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) "Created" by Adulterers Kurt and Barbara Aland, and Homosexual union supporter, roman catholic jesuit cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

Of course God didn't preserve his words through these ungodly characters

60 KJV translators, confessing God fearing Christian scholars, beyond comparison, can be seen in the attached link below

(King James Translators)

P.S. I watched your video clip on the pastor's sermon, thumbs up!

Jesus Is The Lord :)
Yes! It is so good to know that we hold a pure and inspired book in our hands when we read from the KJV.
I’m glad you liked the sermon!
God bless you!
 

Truth7t7

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Non-violence and patience are the central tenets of our faith
Sorta like the non-violence and patience Jesus showed the scribes and Pharisees below? :)

Matthew 23:13-39KJV
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
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kaylagrl

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Sorta like the non-violence and patience Jesus showed the scribes and Pharisees below? :)

Matthew 23:13-39KJV
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Apples to oranges. Jesus wasn't being attacked by bombs. Are we not supposed to defend our homeland?
 
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If Vladimir Putin threatened to treat any baying mobs calling for Jewish blood as rioters,
and issued a shoot-to-kill policy for the police, would you be:

A) Cool with that
B) A bit uncomfortable
C) Outraged
D) Delighted
 
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kaylagrl

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If modern Israel use hatred and violence, modern Israel can never solve the problem.
They aren't using hatred and violence. They are defending their land. It's not up to them to solve the problem, they want peace, the terrorists Hamas do not.


Muslims weren't given the promise. Israel belongs to the Jews.





What is Satan ? eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,kill for kill.
Hamas and Jews do the same thing,No one is justice.
Then Hamas terrorists need to stop attacking Israel.


IF modern Israel still Reject Jesus and learning from Jesus such as love others as yourself ,
The Jews said that they had no home and they were wandering,
Expelled all Palestinians,then all Palestinians will be the same as the Jews at the past .

How can you expect Hamas not to hate you and attack you ?
They didn't expel Palestinians, you don't know history. Are you saying it's ok for Hamas to hate but not the Jews?
 

Truth7t7

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Apples to oranges. Jesus wasn't being attacked by bombs. Are we not supposed to defend our homeland?
Apples and Oranges would apply to your response, Matthew 23 above is dealing with spiritual matters in false teachings, as you take the ole about face and apply it to defending a homeland, come on Grl your better than that? :giggle: