Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161
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By force a person to get a vaccine, I don't mean they'll send out vaccination squads to vaccinate people with dart guns. I mean they can set up consequences for those who refuse to get vaccines or wear a facemask; something that there is already a precedent for and happens, at least in the USA.

Using fear, coercion, punishment that threatens someone's livelihood at the expense of loss of quality of life is a form of forced compliance.

I didn't know this until now, but in 1905 there was a supreme court case called Jacobson vs. Massachusetts whereby the court mandated a vaccination can be legally required.

Does that answer your question?
I want to believe that the laws will stay as they are and people who want to will get it and those that don't will be the only ones that still get sick. However, at some point I could see the insurance companies and even the government paid insurance saying.. "hold on now.. why should we keep having to pay all these medical bills for people to be sick for 2 months when all they need to do is get vaccinated?" And then they might pass a law saying that insurance can deny coverage if you refuse the vaccine. Something to that effect is plausible, and realistic. We know the school laws already and that will stay the same. Your company might have a policy maybe just to reduce loss of productivity for employees who don't want to get vaccinated and then are sick for 2 months and they are not allowed to replace them. They might just enforce a vaccine policy instead. It's all uncharted territory. Interesting to see how it will all pan out.
 

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Also, not to quibble, but you aren't positive. Not saying you are wrong, but you don't know that.

I don't pray about that everyday. Do you? Yes, it does worry me a little and I've lifted my concerns up to God already. The frequency of prayer, many words used, or eloquence are meaningless if they are just vain repetition.

I guess it's a question of what more can be brought before God aside from what was mentioned in one sincere prayer? God's got this. Praying every day about it is a sign of doubt in my view.

So I would say that most Christians with a mature understanding of prayer aren't praying about this by the 100's of millions on a daily basis. If they are they should examine themselves, stat.
 

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Also, not to quibble, but you aren't positive. Not saying you are wrong, but you don't know that.

I don't pray about that everyday. Do you? Yes, it does worry me a little and I've lifted my concerns up to God already. The frequency of prayer, many words used, or eloquence are meaningless if they are just vain repetition.

I guess it's a question of what more can be brought before God aside from what was mentioned in one sincere prayer? God's got this. Praying every day about it is a sign of doubt in my view.

So I would say that most Christians with a mature understanding of prayer aren't praying about this by the 100's of millions on a daily basis. If they are they should examine themselves, stat.
I don't understand what you are saying, you don't want a cure for the corona virus?
 

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By force a person to get a vaccine, I don't mean they'll send out vaccination squads to vaccinate people with dart guns. I mean they can set up consequences for those who refuse to get vaccines or wear a facemask; something that there is already a precedent for and happens, at least in the USA.

Using fear, coercion, punishment that threatens someone's livelihood at the expense of loss of quality of life is a form of forced compliance.

I didn't know this until now, but in 1905 there was a supreme court case called Jacobson vs. Massachusetts whereby the court mandated a vaccination can be legally required.

Does that answer your question?
Let me go to fact finder and I will get back to you.
 

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Well lets see it alters the dna they want to make it where you buy or sell with it and apparently you can even scan it to open your house doors sounds like a certain something from the bible,my sister who isn't even a Christian said they will have to catch her and drag her first
 

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Well lets see it alters the dna they want to make it where you buy or sell with it and apparently you can even scan it to open your house doors sounds like a certain something from the bible,my sister who isn't even a Christian said they will have to catch her and drag her first
I don't think scientists are going to make anyone who don't want to take a cure. I know this is selfish of me but I know that I am safe. And I can't make anyone else sick. I will be safe to go back to my school.
 

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I don't think scientists are going to make anyone who don't want to take a cure. I know this is selfish of me but I know that I am safe. And I can't make anyone else sick. I will be safe to go back to my school.
no it won't be forced on people but eventually if you cannot buy things then well.... it won't be pretty
 

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I want to believe that the laws will stay as they are and people who want to will get it and those that don't will be the only ones that still get sick. However, at some point I could see the insurance companies and even the government paid insurance saying.. "hold on now.. why should we keep having to pay all these medical bills for people to be sick for 2 months when all they need to do is get vaccinated?" And then they might pass a law saying that insurance can deny coverage if you refuse the vaccine. Something to that effect is plausible, and realistic. We know the school laws already and that will stay the same. Your company might have a policy maybe just to reduce loss of productivity for employees who don't want to get vaccinated and then are sick for 2 months and they are not allowed to replace them. They might just enforce a vaccine policy instead. It's all uncharted territory. Interesting to see how it will all pan out.
I don't know if they can do that, because we both know that's not how the vaccine works. It offers no guarantee, just a likelihood that is sometimes actually small. The real factor is herd immunity. So if it comes to the point of forcing things (and there is definitely a current in that direction), I think things will be forced in a different way than that.
 
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Don’t take it. Tell everyone you know not to take this gene altering vaccine.

Just google "how mRNA vaccine works" or watch these kinds of videos. It's up to you. mRNA does not interact with the patient DNA. it is genetically coded to produce a protein. And for some recent Good news on the effectiveness of the Vacine, they have injected the live virus into chimps and the vaccine worked to protect them.

Moderna Announces Publication in The New England Journal of Medicine of Non-Human Primate Preclinical Viral Challenge Study of its mRNA Vaccine Against COVID-19 (mRNA-1273)
July 28, 2020 at 3:23 PM EDT
PDF Version
mRNA-1273 induced robust neutralizing antibodies and dose dependent increases in T cell responses

mRNA-1273 led to protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in the lungs and nose of non-human primates

No evidence of vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAERD) observed

Conference call to be held on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. ET

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jul. 28, 2020-- Moderna, Inc. (Nasdaq: MRNA), a clinical stage biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines to create a new generation of transformative medicines for patients, today announced a preclinical study evaluating mRNA-1273, its vaccine candidate against COVID-19, was published in The New England Journal of Medicine. The study showed a two-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273 led to a robust immune response and protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in the upper and lower airways in non-human primates, without evidence of vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD).

In the study, immunogenicity and protective efficacy were assessed after a two-dose vaccination schedule of 10 or 100 µg doses of mRNA-1273 or control given four weeks apart (n=24; 8 per group). Four weeks after the second vaccination, animals were challenged with high doses of SARS-CoV-2 through intranasal and intratracheal routes.

After two vaccinations, the immune response observed in this non-human primate study was consistent with the recently reported Phase 1 human study of mRNA-1273, also published in The New England Journal of Medicine. At the 10 µg dose, the geometric mean titer (GMT, ID50) measured in a pseudovirus (PsV) neutralization assay was 103, similar to the GMT for a panel of convalescent sera reported previously (109), and below the GMT achieved by mRNA-1273 in the Phase 1 human study at the 100 µg dose (231) in the same PsV assay. At the higher dose in the non-human primates (100 µg) neutralizing antibody titers increased further, with PsV GMT reaching 1,862. Vaccination also led to a significant increase in T cell responses, primarily Th1 CD4 T cells.

Two doses of mRNA-1273 provided protection against lung inflammation following viral challenge with SARS-CoV-2 in non-human primates at both the 10 µg and 100 µg dose levels. In addition, both the 10 µg and 100 µg dose groups demonstrated protection against viral replication in the lungs, with the 100 µg dose also protecting against viral replication in the nose of the animals. Of note, none of the eight animals in the 100 µg group showed detectable viral replication in the nose compared to six out of eight in the placebo group on day 2.

“This important preclinical study shows that mRNA-1273 protected against a high dose SARS-CoV-2 infection in non-human primates and prevented pulmonary disease in all animals, further supporting the clinical advancement of mRNA-1273,” said Stephen Hoge, M.D., President at Moderna. “We believe this is the first demonstration of control of viral replication within two days of challenge in both the nose and lungs in non-human primates by a vaccine against COVID-19. Given the similarity between the protective immune response generated by mRNA-1273 in this study and the immune response seen in humans in the recently published Phase 1 clinical data for the vaccine, we remain cautiously optimistic that mRNA-1273 will be able to prevent COVID-19 disease and may also slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by shortening the duration of shedding.”

The Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), part of the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), partially supported the research and development of mRNA-1273 with federal funding under Contract no. 75A50120C00034. A summary of the company’s work to date on COVID-19 can be found here.

Conference Call and Webcast Information

Moderna will host a live conference call and webcast at 8:00 a.m. ET on Wednesday, July 29, 2020. To access the live conference call, please dial 866-922-5184 (domestic) or 409-937-8950 (international) and refer to conference ID 6278397. A webcast of the call will also be available under “Events and Presentations” in the Investors section of the Moderna website at investors.modernatx.com. The archived webcast will be available on Moderna’s website approximately two hours after the conference call.

About mRNA-1273

mRNA-1273 is an mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 encoding for a prefusion stabilized form of the Spike (S) protein, which was co-developed by Moderna and investigators from NIAID’s Vaccine Research Center. The first clinical batch, which was funded by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, was completed on February 7, 2020 and underwent analytical testing; it was shipped to NIH on February 24, 42 days from sequence selection. The first participant in the NIAID-led Phase 1 study of mRNA-1273 was dosed on March 16, 63 days from sequence selection to Phase 1 study dosing. On May 12, the FDA granted mRNA-1273 Fast Track designation. Moderna recently announced that data from an interim analysis of the Phase 1 study of mRNA-1273 was published in The New England Journal of Medicine. On July 8, the Company’s Phase 2 study of mRNA-1273 completed enrollment. On July 27, the Phase 3 COVE study of mRNA-1273, being conducted in collaboration with NIH and BARDA, began.
 

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Just google "how mRNA vaccine works" or watch these kinds of videos. It's up to you. mRNA does not interact with the patient DNA. it is genetically coded to produce a protein. And for some recent Good news on the effectiveness of the Vacine, they have injected the live virus into chimps and the vaccine worked to protect them.

Moderna Announces Publication in The New England Journal of Medicine of Non-Human Primate Preclinical Viral Challenge Study of its mRNA Vaccine Against COVID-19 (mRNA-1273)
July 28, 2020 at 3:23 PM EDT
PDF Version
mRNA-1273 induced robust neutralizing antibodies and dose dependent increases in T cell responses

mRNA-1273 led to protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in the lungs and nose of non-human primates

No evidence of vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAERD) observed

Conference call to be held on Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 8:00 a.m. ET

CAMBRIDGE, Mass.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jul. 28, 2020-- Moderna, Inc. (Nasdaq: MRNA), a clinical stage biotechnology company pioneering messenger RNA (mRNA) therapeutics and vaccines to create a new generation of transformative medicines for patients, today announced a preclinical study evaluating mRNA-1273, its vaccine candidate against COVID-19, was published in The New England Journal of Medicine. The study showed a two-dose vaccination schedule of mRNA-1273 led to a robust immune response and protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in the upper and lower airways in non-human primates, without evidence of vaccine-associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD).

In the study, immunogenicity and protective efficacy were assessed after a two-dose vaccination schedule of 10 or 100 µg doses of mRNA-1273 or control given four weeks apart (n=24; 8 per group). Four weeks after the second vaccination, animals were challenged with high doses of SARS-CoV-2 through intranasal and intratracheal routes.

After two vaccinations, the immune response observed in this non-human primate study was consistent with the recently reported Phase 1 human study of mRNA-1273, also published in The New England Journal of Medicine. At the 10 µg dose, the geometric mean titer (GMT, ID50) measured in a pseudovirus (PsV) neutralization assay was 103, similar to the GMT for a panel of convalescent sera reported previously (109), and below the GMT achieved by mRNA-1273 in the Phase 1 human study at the 100 µg dose (231) in the same PsV assay. At the higher dose in the non-human primates (100 µg) neutralizing antibody titers increased further, with PsV GMT reaching 1,862. Vaccination also led to a significant increase in T cell responses, primarily Th1 CD4 T cells.

Two doses of mRNA-1273 provided protection against lung inflammation following viral challenge with SARS-CoV-2 in non-human primates at both the 10 µg and 100 µg dose levels. In addition, both the 10 µg and 100 µg dose groups demonstrated protection against viral replication in the lungs, with the 100 µg dose also protecting against viral replication in the nose of the animals. Of note, none of the eight animals in the 100 µg group showed detectable viral replication in the nose compared to six out of eight in the placebo group on day 2.

“This important preclinical study shows that mRNA-1273 protected against a high dose SARS-CoV-2 infection in non-human primates and prevented pulmonary disease in all animals, further supporting the clinical advancement of mRNA-1273,” said Stephen Hoge, M.D., President at Moderna. “We believe this is the first demonstration of control of viral replication within two days of challenge in both the nose and lungs in non-human primates by a vaccine against COVID-19. Given the similarity between the protective immune response generated by mRNA-1273 in this study and the immune response seen in humans in the recently published Phase 1 clinical data for the vaccine, we remain cautiously optimistic that mRNA-1273 will be able to prevent COVID-19 disease and may also slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2 by shortening the duration of shedding.”

The Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), part of the Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), partially supported the research and development of mRNA-1273 with federal funding under Contract no. 75A50120C00034. A summary of the company’s work to date on COVID-19 can be found here.

Conference Call and Webcast Information

Moderna will host a live conference call and webcast at 8:00 a.m. ET on Wednesday, July 29, 2020. To access the live conference call, please dial 866-922-5184 (domestic) or 409-937-8950 (international) and refer to conference ID 6278397. A webcast of the call will also be available under “Events and Presentations” in the Investors section of the Moderna website at investors.modernatx.com. The archived webcast will be available on Moderna’s website approximately two hours after the conference call.

About mRNA-1273

mRNA-1273 is an mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 encoding for a prefusion stabilized form of the Spike (S) protein, which was co-developed by Moderna and investigators from NIAID’s Vaccine Research Center. The first clinical batch, which was funded by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, was completed on February 7, 2020 and underwent analytical testing; it was shipped to NIH on February 24, 42 days from sequence selection. The first participant in the NIAID-led Phase 1 study of mRNA-1273 was dosed on March 16, 63 days from sequence selection to Phase 1 study dosing. On May 12, the FDA granted mRNA-1273 Fast Track designation. Moderna recently announced that data from an interim analysis of the Phase 1 study of mRNA-1273 was published in The New England Journal of Medicine. On July 8, the Company’s Phase 2 study of mRNA-1273 completed enrollment. On July 27, the Phase 3 COVE study of mRNA-1273, being conducted in collaboration with NIH and BARDA, began.
Moderna’s Vaccination Guinea Pig … “Sickest in His Life” after Being Injected With Experimental Vaccine | Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Posted by clnRobertOLeary JUNE 7, 2020in Big Pharma, CDC, EPA & FDA, Hazards, Issues & Diseases, Health with 0 Comments
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense | Children's Health DefenseYou know Ian Haydon from many appearances on CNNand other networkscelebrating his heroic act of volunteering to test Moderna’s experimental COVID vaccine. The sun has now set on Haydon’s television career. He is no longer useful to the Pharmedia narratives that all vaccines are always safe for all people, that Moderna’s business partners, Tony Fauci and Bill Gates, were justified in skipping animal studies and that Moderna’s vaccine will soon rescue us from the Pandemic. Ian Haydon is now an embarrassment to Fauci, Gates, and their CNN cheerleaders. He will therefore vanish into the censorship twilight.Moderna chose Haydon for the study because of his robust good health. He was among the 15 volunteers in the high dose group. Within 45 days, three of these—a shocking 20%—experienced “serious” adverse events according to Moderna’s press release meaning they required hospitalization or medical intervention. Less than 12 hours after vaccination, Hayden sufferedmuscle aches, vomiting, spiked a 103.2 degree fever and lost consciousness. His girlfriend caught him as he fell. His Moderna trial supervisor instructed Haydon to call 911 and described him as being the “sickest in his life”. Moderna let Haydon believe the illness was just a sad coincidence unrelated to the jab. Moderna never told Haydon he was suffering an Adverse Event.Moderna’s press release was the first I learned of the 3 AEs in the high dose group.”
 

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Continued:

Moderna’s press release was the first I learned of the 3 AEs in the high dose group.” Haydon confessed last weekon Twitter. “Later a study doc confirmed that what happened to me was an AE.” While hiding this truth, Moderna encouraged Haydon to appear on TV to deceive the public and its shareholders by declaring Moderna’s COVID vaccine trials a smashing success. On May 7, Haydon told Sanjay Gupta about his reactions in a pre-interview. The two men agreed to keep this bad news secret when he went on air. This corrupt deal bespeaks the pathetic state of journalism at CNN.
 
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Moderna’s Vaccination Guinea Pig … “Sickest in His Life” after Being Injected With Experimental Vaccine | Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Posted by clnRobertOLeary JUNE 7, 2020in Big Pharma, CDC, EPA & FDA, Hazards, Issues & Diseases, Health with 0 Comments
By Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Chairman, Children’s Health Defense | Children's Health DefenseYou know Ian Haydon from many appearances on CNNand other networkscelebrating his heroic act of volunteering to test Moderna’s experimental COVID vaccine. The sun has now set on Haydon’s television career. He is no longer useful to the Pharmedia narratives that all vaccines are always safe for all people, that Moderna’s business partners, Tony Fauci and Bill Gates, were justified in skipping animal studies and that Moderna’s vaccine will soon rescue us from the Pandemic. Ian Haydon is now an embarrassment to Fauci, Gates, and their CNN cheerleaders. He will therefore vanish into the censorship twilight.Moderna chose Haydon for the study because of his robust good health. He was among the 15 volunteers in the high dose group. Within 45 days, three of these—a shocking 20%—experienced “serious” adverse events according to Moderna’s press release meaning they required hospitalization or medical intervention. Less than 12 hours after vaccination, Hayden sufferedmuscle aches, vomiting, spiked a 103.2 degree fever and lost consciousness. His girlfriend caught him as he fell. His Moderna trial supervisor instructed Haydon to call 911 and described him as being the “sickest in his life”. Moderna let Haydon believe the illness was just a sad coincidence unrelated to the jab. Moderna never told Haydon he was suffering an Adverse Event.Moderna’s press release was the first I learned of the 3 AEs in the high dose group.”
Outright Lies. No one had serious adverse affects according to Moderna's press release.
It is so easy to discredit these fake posts.
Here is a quote from the Moderna Press Release which you could have easily googled if you fact check.

mRNA-1273 was generally safe and well-tolerated, with no serious adverse events reported through Day 57. Adverse events (AEs) were generally transient and mild to moderate in severity. The most notable adverse events were seen at the 250 µg dose level, with three of those 14 participants (21%) reporting one or more severe events. Solicited systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination and occurred in seven of 13 (54%) participants in the 25 µg group, all 15 participants in the 100 µg group and all 14 participants in the 250 µg group. The most commonly reported systemic adverse events following second vaccination at the 100 µg dose were fatigue (80%), chills (80%), headache (60%) and myalgia (53%), all of which were transient and mild or moderate in severity. The most common solicited local adverse event at the 100 µg dose was pain at the injection site (100%), which was also transient and mild or moderate in severity. Evaluation of clinical safety laboratory values grade 2 or higher and unsolicited adverse events revealed no patterns of concern.

Here is the site where you can get the Moderna Press releases.
https://www.modernatx.com/modernas-work-potential-vaccine-against-covid-19
The one concerning the adverse effects is the July 14 press release which I already posted in our previous conversations but I guess you would rather believe someone make up lies about what the Moderna press release said than to believe what the press release said by reading it. That is just weird. There is no other word for it. To try and twist the words bolded in the quote from Moderna's press release into a report of severe reactions requiring hospitalization is an evil sick desire to mislead people, for who knows what sinister motivation. But there is your conspiracy folks, right there. A willingness to take the Moderna Press release and say that it said something that it did not say about people being hospitalized with severe reactions is your conspiracy story. Research the people behind that fake post and find out why they have these evil desires to mislead. If you don't want to do that you have no intellectual honesty and you must be one of them. The lizard People! lol just kidding.
 

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Outright Lies. No one had serious adverse affects according to Moderna's press release.
It is so easy to discredit these fake posts.
Here is a quote from the Moderna Press Release which you could have easily googled if you fact check.

mRNA-1273 was generally safe and well-tolerated, with no serious adverse events reported through Day 57. Adverse events (AEs) were generally transient and mild to moderate in severity. The most notable adverse events were seen at the 250 µg dose level, with three of those 14 participants (21%) reporting one or more severe events. Solicited systemic adverse events were more common after the second vaccination and occurred in seven of 13 (54%) participants in the 25 µg group, all 15 participants in the 100 µg group and all 14 participants in the 250 µg group. The most commonly reported systemic adverse events following second vaccination at the 100 µg dose were fatigue (80%), chills (80%), headache (60%) and myalgia (53%), all of which were transient and mild or moderate in severity. The most common solicited local adverse event at the 100 µg dose was pain at the injection site (100%), which was also transient and mild or moderate in severity. Evaluation of clinical safety laboratory values grade 2 or higher and unsolicited adverse events revealed no patterns of concern.

Here is the site where you can get the Moderna Press releases.
https://www.modernatx.com/modernas-work-potential-vaccine-against-covid-19
The one concerning the adverse effects is the July 14 press release which I already posted in our previous conversations but I guess you would rather believe someone make up lies about what the Moderna press release said than to believe what the press release said by reading it. That is just weird. There is no other word for it. To try and twist the words bolded in the quote from Moderna's press release into a report of severe reactions requiring hospitalization is an evil sick desire to mislead people, for who knows what sinister motivation. But there is your conspiracy folks, right there. A willingness to take the Moderna Press release and say that it said something that it did not say about people being hospitalized with severe reactions is your conspiracy story. Research the people behind that fake post and find out why they have these evil desires to mislead. If you don't want to do that you have no intellectual honesty and you must be one of them. The lizard People! lol just kidding.
Think of how utterly silly it is to use the Company itself as the source that says everything is a-ok!

Cmon guy.
 
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Think of how utterly silly it is to use the Company itself as the source that says everything is a-ok!

Cmon guy.
The Moderna Press Release is what your post said was THE SOURCE. Think how silly it is to not check the SOURCE that they cited.
I quote...
"He was among the 15 volunteers in the high dose group. Within 45 days, three of these—a shocking 20%—experienced “serious” adverse events according to Moderna’s press release meaning they required hospitalization or medical intervention"

This is his claim. That the reader can get this information in bold by reading the Moderna Press Release. Even links to the same press release I cited. He must think no one would check the press release. It does not say anything close to what he claims. He is a liar and without shame.

Think how utterly silly it is to say that my exposing that the Moderna Press Release does not say what this person says about it by quoting the Press Release is an utterly silly way refute the lie?

Just go ahead and concede that I have thoroughly won this round and move on to some other angle because I have discredited this writers claim about the Moderna Press Release and exposed him as flagrant liar. There is just no way he could have understood that press release to say what is quoted above.
 

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The Moderna Press Release is what your post said was THE SOURCE. Think how silly it is to not check the SOURCE that they cited.
I quote...
"He was among the 15 volunteers in the high dose group. Within 45 days, three of these—a shocking 20%—experienced “serious” adverse events according to Moderna’s press release meaning they required hospitalization or medical intervention"

This is his claim. That the reader can get this information in bold by reading the Moderna Press Release. Even links to the same press release I cited. He must think no one would check the press release. It does not say anything close to what he claims. He is a liar and without shame.

Think how utterly silly it is to say that my exposing that the Moderna Press Release does not say what this person says about it by quoting the Press Release an utterly silly way refute the lie?

Just go ahead and concede that I have thoroughly won this round and move on to some other angle because I have discredited this writers claim about the Moderna Press Release and exposed him as flagrant liar. There is just no way he could have understood that press release to say what is quoted above.
Sorry dude. No concession. Just because the article quoted a few lines from the Press release doesn’t change the fact that it’s Modrrna and news media that are not reporting these serious reactions.

Tell me you heard about the serious reactions and% of them from the news, and I’ll concede.
 

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The Moderna Press Release is what your post said was THE SOURCE. Think how silly it is to not check the SOURCE that they cited.
I quote...
"He was among the 15 volunteers in the high dose group. Within 45 days, three of these—a shocking 20%—experienced “serious” adverse events according to Moderna’s press release meaning they required hospitalization or medical intervention"

This is his claim. That the reader can get this information in bold by reading the Moderna Press Release. Even links to the same press release I cited. He must think no one would check the press release. It does not say anything close to what he claims. He is a liar and without shame.

Think how utterly silly it is to say that my exposing that the Moderna Press Release does not say what this person says about it by quoting the Press Release is an utterly silly way refute the lie?

Just go ahead and concede that I have thoroughly won this round and move on to some other angle because I have discredited this writers claim about the Moderna Press Release and exposed him as flagrant liar. There is just no way he could have understood that press release to say what is quoted above.
Oh. And please don’t bury the info in some God awful post longer than my foot!
 
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Sorry dude. No concession. Just because the article quoted a few lines from the Press release doesn’t change the fact that it’s Modrrna and news media that are not reporting these serious reactions.

Tell me you heard about the serious reactions and% of them from the news, and I’ll concede.
I believe the press release. I also understand how many eyes or on these tests and how much documentation checks and balances are involved. It is not done in secret lab with no observers other than company employees like conspiracy theorist imagine in their fiction sci fi novel ignorant immature sheltered, uneducated, world view mindset. If you understood all the checks and balances in place to make sure that the science cannot be misconstrued, lied about etc you would know how silly these conspiracy theorist sound.

And when someone says that the Moderna Press release said there were "Within 45 days, three of these—a shocking 20%—experienced “serious” adverse events according to Moderna’s press release meaning they required hospitalization or medical intervention" And then you read the Moderna Press Release and find out it is a lie, your intellectual honesty is supposed to say, well I cant trust that writer, he is obviously willing to say things for shock effect and is trying to mislead people. But some how your brain does not work that way and you give him a free pass. I don't get it.