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when did this thread become a competitive 'bash israel' and 'bash muslims' thread?

i thought this thread was about the palestinian boy who was murdered in a revenge killing for the deaths of the three israeli jewish boys...

-both- crimes are horrible and inexcusable...the terrorists who murdered the three israeli jewish boys should be brought to justice...and the lowlifes that murdered this palestinian boy should be punished just as severely...
 
Fun spoiler.

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Deep deep down way down seriously buried so far down I know you're right though.


when did this thread become a competitive 'bash israel' and 'bash muslims' thread?
 
Good post. I don't dislike didymos whatsoever to be honest and like some of his posts. But I'm going to ream him on issues like this in which he's behaving as if he underwent a frontal lobotomy operation which relieved him of the ability to engage in any balanced thinking whatsoever on this issue.

No worries, I don't take your posts seriously either, especially the ones about your obsession with castration.
It's good to hear you enjoyed some of my posts though.
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Yes that's terrible. How do you feel about Muslims castrating about 80% of the males from the 28 million+ Africans they enslaved and transported to the Middle East?

Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature with a preference for women. The men were usually castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam did not demographically shift towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class and why so few Africans can be found in the Middle East today (comparatively speaking).

This is not surprising given the sensual nature of paradise in Islam combined with the teachings of the warring Muhammad in Medina lest we forget that Muhammad was a slaver, owner of slaves, polygamist who condoned polygamy for males only, religious warrior who taught forced conversion by the sword, etc...

Wikipedia puts it like this:

This concept is grounded in Qur'anic text which describe a sensual Paradise where believing men are rewarded by being wed[1] to virgins with "full grown", "swelling" or "pears-shaped" breasts.[2][3] Conversly, women will be provided with only one man, and they "will be satisfied with him".[4]

Contemporary mainstream Islamic scholars, for example; Gibril Haddad, have commented on the erotic nature of the Qur'anic Paradise, by saying some men may need ghusl (ablution required after sexual discharge) just for hearing certain verses.[5]

Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al-Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and al-Ash'ari (died 935 CE) have all discussed the sensual pleasures found in Paradise, relating hadith that describe Paradise as a slave market where there will be "no buy and sale, but... If any man will wish to have sexual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once."[6][7]

It is quoted by Ibn Kathir, in his Qur'anic Commentary, the Tafsir ibn Kathir,[8] and they are graphically described by Qur'anic commentator and polymath, al-Suyuti (died 1505), who, echoing a hasan hadith[9] from Ibn Majah,[10] wrote that the perpetual virgins will all "have appetizing vaginas", and that the "penis of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal".[11]

The sensual pleasures between believers and houri in Paradise are also confirmed by the two Sahih collections of hadith, namely Sahih Bukhari[12] and Sahih Muslim, where we read that they will be virgins who are so beautiful, pure and transparent that "the marrow of the bones of their legs will be seen through the bones and the flesh",[13] and that "the believers will visit and enjoy them".[14]

Etc...

I think this is a terrible crime, I just wonder why those on the left are always eager to attack Israel while simply ignoring the ongoing sexual crimes against women and crimes of violence being perpetuated around the world by Muslims at an astronomical rate while ignoring Islam's past which is literally soaked in blood, slavery, and sexual crimes against women.

Is this you recognizing that both 'sides' of the divide do horrible, wrongful and unwarranted things that make them poor followers of the pious life, or is this you railing against Islam and trying to instigate that they are a people to be hated?

Because, Christianity's past isn't exactly delightful either. None of the violent history of religion is pretty.
 
Is this you recognizing that both 'sides' of the divide do horrible, wrongful and unwarranted things that make them poor followers of the pious life, or is this you railing against Islam and trying to instigate that they are a people to be hated?

Because, Christianity's past isn't exactly delightful either. None of the violent history of religion is pretty.

Okay I'll bite. Gimme some negative Christian history and I want numbers too....cuz the numbers matter.
 
Okay I'll bite. Gimme some negative Christian history and I want numbers too....cuz the numbers matter.

I suspect you're a person that doesn't consider crusades christians to be 'real' christians because of what they did, or the inquisitors to be 'genuine christians' because they're catholic. You'd have to be like that if you can't recognize that Christianity has had a bloody history.

In that case, I'll argue the muslims who kill aren't 'real' muslims. It's all No True Scotsman.

Numbers mean nothing. One death is one too many.
 
More like I know that you don't take the truth seriously. In your estimation, so what if 80% of the males of 28 million Africans the Muslims enslaved were removed from their owners, the genocides they perpetuated including the murder of about 70 million Hindus, the fact Islam is an irreparable false religious worldview that far transcends Judaism with respect to injury done to human beings in the world, that they received vastly more aid than Israel despite an expressed hatred for us, etc... and that Muslims would return to human enslavement, genocide, and their historical practices without intense pressure from the West not to do such things. What's important to you is to ignore everything that's going on around the state of Israel in the Muslim world including the vast aid given to those nations despite their hatred of us and negatively and myopically obsess on the nation of Israel.

And that's why you get called out on your colossal unbalanced hypocrisy.

No worries, I don't take your posts seriously either, especially the ones about your obsession with castration.
It's good to hear you enjoyed some of my posts though.
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I suspect you're a person that doesn't consider crusades christians to be 'real' christians because of what they did, or the inquisitors to be 'genuine christians' because they're catholic. You'd have to be like that if you can't recognize that Christianity has had a bloody history.

In that case, I'll argue the muslims who kill aren't 'real' muslims. It's all No True Scotsman.

Numbers mean nothing. One death is one too many.
Not at all. Christians kill people too. I just want your numbers so I can ascertain the level of propaganda you have been hoodwinked by.
 
You say the numbers don't matter but the reality is they DO matter and especially because there is such a huge disparity between people who have died at the hands of Christians vs at the hands of Muslims atheists Hindus etc......to the tune of hundreds of millions. So you are flat wrong. The numbers do matter.
 
Instead of getting your information from the boob tube, why don't you read what historical scholars have written on the topic. Start with historians like Thomas Madden.



In actuality, the crusades were responses to Muslim invasions on what was once land occupied primarily by Christians. From approximately A.D. 200 to 900, the land of Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey was inhabited primarily by Christians. Once Islam became powerful, Muslims invaded these lands and brutally oppressed, enslaved, deported, and even murdered the Christians living in those lands.

In response, the Roman Catholic Church and “Christian” kings/emperors from Europe ordered the crusades to reclaim the land the Muslims had taken through their expansion of Islam through jihad (e.g. the concept of the daral-Islam (Abode of Islam) and the dar al-harb (Abode of War) in which the false religious system of Islam taught that it was the responsibility of the "faithful" to wage jihad in the dar al-harb in order to expand the dar al-Islam and thus bring unity and peace to the entire world (e.g. the end justifies the bloody oppressive means).

First and foremost, the crusades were a response to Muslim aggression and the human enslavement of Christians in areas they had lived peacefully for centuries. Secondly, it was about diverting Western nations from their internal squabbling.

I suspect you're a person that doesn't consider crusades Christians to be 'real' Christians because of what they did, or the inquisitors to be 'genuine Christians' because they're catholic. You'd have to be like that if you can't recognize that Christianity has had a bloody history.

In that case, I'll argue the Muslims who kill aren't 'real' Muslims. It's all No True Scotsman.

Numbers mean nothing. One death is one too many.
 
It's not my fault that you are ignorant of history, theology, etc... and continue to dismiss the truth and make false assertions.

Is this you recognizing that both 'sides' of the divide do horrible, wrongful and unwarranted things that make them poor followers of the pious life, or is this you railing against Islam and trying to instigate that they are a people to be hated?

Because, Christianity's past isn't exactly delightful either. None of the violent history of religion is pretty.
 
I suspect you're a person that doesn't consider crusades christians to be 'real' christians because of what they did, or the inquisitors to be 'genuine christians' because they're catholic. You'd have to be like that if you can't recognize that Christianity has had a bloody history.

In that case, I'll argue the muslims who kill aren't 'real' muslims. It's all No True Scotsman.

Numbers mean nothing. One death is one too many.

How foolish. Numbers don't matter? Oh my...

Ya know, this may just be my own preferred method of commenting on discussion topics... but if I were you I would read and gain a clear, unbiased perspective on the history of Christianity.

Men have used God in justifying ungodly things since we've been able to keep a record of human history. What's new about that? Just because "Christian" crusaders say God wills this or God wills that, doesn't mean that is God's will. It means that a misguided bunch of people have grossly misinterpreted what it means to be a Christian. So they can't be 'real' Christians if they don't apply the teachings of Christ in all things that they do/did. Plain and simple. How hard is that to understand?

Islam on the other hand depends on conquest and forced conversions. Let me cite the Koran to make this point.

According to the "verse of the sword" (Sura 9:5), Muhammad was told, "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them"—unless they convert.


Some argue that this is no different from the biblical command to the Israelites to kill the idolatrous Canaanites when they entered the Promised Land. But there are big differences. Whereas the command to Joshua was limited in time and circumstances, the Koran places no similar boundaries on Muslims to wage war against unbelievers.


According to Sura 9:29, Muslims are to "fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures [i.e., the Bible] were given as they believe in neither Allah nor the Last Day... until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."

This, in the eyes of Muslim fundamentalists, justifies permanent war against non-Muslims until the entire world is under Islamic rule.

I don't recall any passage in the Bible that makes such a bold and explicit statement as does this one in the Koran.

You really need to brush up on your religious history.
 
How foolish. Numbers don't matter? Oh my...

Ya know, this may just be my own preferred method of commenting on discussion topics... but if I were you I would read and gain a clear, unbiased perspective on the history of Christianity.

Men have used God in justifying ungodly things since we've been able to keep a record of human history. What's new about that? Just because "Christian" crusaders say God wills this or God wills that, doesn't mean that is God's will. It means that a misguided bunch of people have grossly misinterpreted what it means to be a Christian. So they can't be 'real' Christians if they don't apply the teachings of Christ in all things that they do/did. Plain and simple. How hard is that to understand?

Islam on the other hand depends on conquest and forced conversions. Let me cite the Koran to make this point.

According to the "verse of the sword" (Sura 9:5), Muhammad was told, "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them"—unless they convert.


Some argue that this is no different from the biblical command to the Israelites to kill the idolatrous Canaanites when they entered the Promised Land. But there are big differences. Whereas the command to Joshua was limited in time and circumstances, the Koran places no similar boundaries on Muslims to wage war against unbelievers.


According to Sura 9:29, Muslims are to "fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures [i.e., the Bible] were given as they believe in neither Allah nor the Last Day... until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued."

This, in the eyes of Muslim fundamentalists, justifies permanent war against non-Muslims until the entire world is under Islamic rule.

I don't recall any passage in the Bible that makes such a bold and explicit statement as does this one in the Koran.

You really need to brush up on your religious history.

Let's look at it this way. There are 1.57 billlion muslim people on Earth. Very few fight anyone at all. Killing is wrong no-matter what religion you're in. That's the point.

You're taking one sura and combining it with another out of its context. People do it with the bible all the time. You're actually no better than they are.

A Christian killing another person is just as bad as a muslim doing it.

Palestinians killing an Israeli, or an Israeli killing a Palestinian. It doesn't matter what they're called or what they follow, it doesn't make them right. It's still wrong.
 
Let's look at it this way. There are 1.57 billlion muslim people on Earth. Very few fight anyone at all. Killing is wrong no-matter what religion you're in. That's the point.

You're taking one sura and combining it with another out of its context. People do it with the bible all the time. You're actually no better than they are.

A Christian killing another person is just as bad as a muslim doing it.

Palestinians killing an Israeli, or an Israeli killing a Palestinian. It doesn't matter what they're called or what they follow, it doesn't make them right. It's still wrong.

Oh, really? There are many, many, many persecuted Christians who can argue against your point. The truth is that many Muslims are responsible for most of the violent hatred against Christians, mainly in the Third World countries and Holy Lands.
Also, some religions are perfectly fine with killing. So, no soup for you!
 
Oh, really? There are many, many, many persecuted Christians who can argue against your point. The truth is that many Muslims are responsible for most of the violent hatred against Christians, mainly in the Third World countries and Holy Lands.
Also, some religions are perfectly fine with killing. So, no soup for you!

Not unlike professed Christians are responsible for most of the violent hatred against Muslims. How many army boys do you think are saved and confessed? Yet they've no problem killing Muslims, so why hold the Muslims to a higher standard than professed Christians, Tintin?

Don't you remember how Bush professed how the Christian God had asked him to go to war in the Middle East? Bush invaded in God's name, and indirectly killed a million Iraqis and Afghanis. That's an instance of Christians persecuting Muslims in my book.
 
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Whatever spin is put on it or whatever angle it's looked from, it's ambiguous enough that a Muslim could certainly think they were being attacked by Christians. This war isn't just about politics, it's about religious views. And it's no surprise now that Muslims from these countries continue to join extremist sects. If my friends and family were being killed by armies women and children couldn't possibly fight against, I would resist too.

This is the point. It's all spun a certain way but there's two sides. Killing is wrong, it's horrible, but just let me ask you, if it were you, your wife had been shot for no other reason than being present wherever she was, would you not resist?
 
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There's this idea that Muslims are the worst of warmongers but I'm afraid that's just not true. The American Military and NATO kill far more people every year than Muslims do. Far, far more. A warmonger is a warmonger, whether they profess to be whatever religion.

Real pious people want peace, not war.
 
Violence is an integral part of the false religious system's epistemology as has been clearly shown to you. It's estimated that about 15% of Muslims participate in or directly support the aim of violence to further Islam.

Look at it this way, there are 235,500,000 million Muslims that participate in or directly support using violence to propagate Islam.

The polls taken show those who simply agree with using violence (but don't actually participate in it or directly support those who do) are far higher:

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph
NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News
WebCite query result

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
A Year After Iraq War | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/Muslim/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
Osama Bin Laden Al Qaeda Leader Profile
World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Some Muslims | CNS News (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)
Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
WikiLeaks: 1 in 3 British Muslim students back killing for Islam, 40% want Sharia law | Mail Online
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf
Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
Six Country Immigrant Integration Comparative Survey (SCIICS) | WZB
Europe: Islamic Fundamentalism is Widespread

Etc... etc... etc...

^ That's the point. So your assertion is yet again, as usual, shown to be false.


Let's look at it this way. There are 1.57 billlion muslim people on Earth. Very few fight anyone at all. Killing is wrong no-matter what religion you're in. That's the point.

You're taking one sura and combining it with another out of its context. People do it with the bible all the time. You're actually no better than they are.

A Christian killing another person is just as bad as a muslim doing it.

Palestinians killing an Israeli, or an Israeli killing a Palestinian. It doesn't matter what they're called or what they follow, it doesn't make them right. It's still wrong.
 
You're wrong. The American military and NATO do not war to advance Christianity. It is because Muslims engage in sweeping violence around the globe to spread Islam that the American military and NATO have responded with GWOT. Responding to Muslim terrorism to contain and minimize is a legitimate uses of force. As usual, you're all screwed up.


There's this idea that Muslims are the worst of warmongers but I'm afraid that's just not true. The American Military and NATO kill far more people every year than Muslims do. Far, far more. A warmonger is a warmonger, whether they profess to be whatever religion.

Real pious people want peace, not war.
 
Ah, the soup Nazi from Seinfeld. Great episodes. Ironically, the Muslims really took to the Nazis of the Third Reich. The relationship between the Nazi movement and leadership and the Arab world is well documented.

Jihad's Nazi Connections - Discover the Networks

And, of course, you're correct that Christians are the most persecuted religion in the world and that Muslim aggression is the number one reason for it.

Christians "Most Persecuted Group in World"

Pew Study: Christians Are The World’s Most Oppressed Religious Group | CNS News

Religious Hostilities Reach Six-Year High | Pew Research Center's Religion & Public Life Project



Oh, really? There are many, many, many persecuted Christians who can argue against your point. The truth is that many Muslims are responsible for most of the violent hatred against Christians, mainly in the Third World countries and Holy Lands.
Also, some religions are perfectly fine with killing. So, no soup for you!