Testing a word from God, with the bible.
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Well,
you are absolutely correct in that prophesy should be tested by scriptures.
Good Job!!!!!
And the only way to do that is by knowing the prophesies in scriptures completely in context. Meaning you have to know scriptures, the history, and the anthropology of the day, the formulaic structure and time the Biblical prophesies were originally spoken in.
Meaning, you really need to know scriptures.
Because God CAN do anything, even the seemingly impossible; however, God does not ever change. He is always, forever unchanged. And the Bible reveals God's character and customary means of actions and why He acts when He acts and how He acts when He acts....even when simply sending messages to people.
It is a very scary thing to gain God's focused attention. Mostly because all of us are not good enough.
Almost 8 billion souls are currently alive on this planet and yet a small group gains God's focused attention? Time to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Just saying....
you are absolutely correct in that prophesy should be tested by scriptures.
Good Job!!!!!
And the only way to do that is by knowing the prophesies in scriptures completely in context. Meaning you have to know scriptures, the history, and the anthropology of the day, the formulaic structure and time the Biblical prophesies were originally spoken in.
Meaning, you really need to know scriptures.
Because God CAN do anything, even the seemingly impossible; however, God does not ever change. He is always, forever unchanged. And the Bible reveals God's character and customary means of actions and why He acts when He acts and how He acts when He acts....even when simply sending messages to people.
It is a very scary thing to gain God's focused attention. Mostly because all of us are not good enough.
Almost 8 billion souls are currently alive on this planet and yet a small group gains God's focused attention? Time to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Just saying....
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God still speaks in us, at least me in love and mercy, makes this aware to me as to be wise as serpents and yet remain harmless at the same time (Matt 10:16-20)
We know, at least me I am learning, learned this and not arrogant over it, still in process
Humility, I need God to work God's love and mercy through me daily. Whenever I see any selfishness in anyone including myself, I do not accuse me them or excuse me, them, I see the awareness of it and stand in trust to God to work out all things, fro the good of God. Seeing nothing can separate anyone for this love and mercy through Son given us all to do the same
Seeing there are tares amongst the wheat here in this world, to not tear those tares out of the ground, let them be, they the tares, these always reveal themselves and people of Father and Son see it clearly, when God reveals it to his children.
Now to those that fight against these, in truth ar helping these tares win, how? Tearing up the tares, harms the wheat is how.
So let it be as said in Psalm 1 by David to not sit as a scorner
God will be the one to straighten it all out as God says that to Paul in Romans 14:1-4 and see the entire chapter, not as just a food chapter, it is much deeper than just about food. Yet you go to God yourself and ask God to reveal it to you too, thank you
God is true Love and no evil can or will ever to be able to ever overcome Love
Just as light overcomes darkness. Love overcame evil and death is corrected in new life given us in our souls to live forever with Father and Son once anyone is in belief and will not deny God. one, anyone that stands no matter what troubles come at them, willl see through the veil too, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
We know, at least me I am learning, learned this and not arrogant over it, still in process
Humility, I need God to work God's love and mercy through me daily. Whenever I see any selfishness in anyone including myself, I do not accuse me them or excuse me, them, I see the awareness of it and stand in trust to God to work out all things, fro the good of God. Seeing nothing can separate anyone for this love and mercy through Son given us all to do the same
Seeing there are tares amongst the wheat here in this world, to not tear those tares out of the ground, let them be, they the tares, these always reveal themselves and people of Father and Son see it clearly, when God reveals it to his children.
Now to those that fight against these, in truth ar helping these tares win, how? Tearing up the tares, harms the wheat is how.
So let it be as said in Psalm 1 by David to not sit as a scorner
God will be the one to straighten it all out as God says that to Paul in Romans 14:1-4 and see the entire chapter, not as just a food chapter, it is much deeper than just about food. Yet you go to God yourself and ask God to reveal it to you too, thank you
God is true Love and no evil can or will ever to be able to ever overcome Love
Just as light overcomes darkness. Love overcame evil and death is corrected in new life given us in our souls to live forever with Father and Son once anyone is in belief and will not deny God. one, anyone that stands no matter what troubles come at them, willl see through the veil too, thank you Father and Son as Won (One)
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Yes, I have been doing so for 50+ years.
A false dogma regarding the biblical canon is that God dictated every word of the extant Bible to the human writers, because the dictation theory has several caveats, such as that it refers to the original manuscripts (which we do not have) correctly interpreted. And the key to correct interpretation is NOT viewing the Bible as a modern (NOT post-modern) science or history textbook, but rather as concerned with communicating God’s will to humanity regarding His requirement for salvation: THAT is what is inerrant! Thus, the salvationist view of inspiration seems more logical than the dictationist view according to the following train of thought:
Suppose God Himself wrote the inerrant message to humanity: “Thou shalt not lie, steal, murder or fornicate.” Suppose the first manuscript copier accidentally left out the comma between lie and steal. Would that invalidate God’s commandment? No, but it is still a mistake and no longer perfectly inerrant. Now suppose an evil copier intentionally changed the word fornicate to fumigate. Would that invalidate God’s commandment? Not all of it; only the changed word. How could we know which word or words were correct and not changed? We would need to compare the commandment with other statements purported to be inspired by God in order to see what is the overall or consistent message, so that we can reasonably believe that the word fumigate should be discounted. Finally, even if no one changed God’s original commandment, we would still need to compare it with the totality of truth in order to discover whether there were any inconsistencies.
Thus, a completely inerrant Bible is not needed, as long as there is sufficient consistency in God’s messages to humanity via the creation, the Scriptures, the incarnate Word and godly logic for souls to discern God’s requirement for salvation. A biblical and logical hermeneutic or parameters for interpreting the Bible begins with the instruction of Paul (1THS 5:21) to “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” A truthseeker wants to learn ultimate Truth in God’s Word by making subjective discernment as objective as possible via fellowship with other Christians.
Two NT teachings can serve as key points from which to triangulate (test) or use to guide an interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements. First, God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ). Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (PS 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
Hope this helps.
A false dogma regarding the biblical canon is that God dictated every word of the extant Bible to the human writers, because the dictation theory has several caveats, such as that it refers to the original manuscripts (which we do not have) correctly interpreted. And the key to correct interpretation is NOT viewing the Bible as a modern (NOT post-modern) science or history textbook, but rather as concerned with communicating God’s will to humanity regarding His requirement for salvation: THAT is what is inerrant! Thus, the salvationist view of inspiration seems more logical than the dictationist view according to the following train of thought:
Suppose God Himself wrote the inerrant message to humanity: “Thou shalt not lie, steal, murder or fornicate.” Suppose the first manuscript copier accidentally left out the comma between lie and steal. Would that invalidate God’s commandment? No, but it is still a mistake and no longer perfectly inerrant. Now suppose an evil copier intentionally changed the word fornicate to fumigate. Would that invalidate God’s commandment? Not all of it; only the changed word. How could we know which word or words were correct and not changed? We would need to compare the commandment with other statements purported to be inspired by God in order to see what is the overall or consistent message, so that we can reasonably believe that the word fumigate should be discounted. Finally, even if no one changed God’s original commandment, we would still need to compare it with the totality of truth in order to discover whether there were any inconsistencies.
Thus, a completely inerrant Bible is not needed, as long as there is sufficient consistency in God’s messages to humanity via the creation, the Scriptures, the incarnate Word and godly logic for souls to discern God’s requirement for salvation. A biblical and logical hermeneutic or parameters for interpreting the Bible begins with the instruction of Paul (1THS 5:21) to “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” A truthseeker wants to learn ultimate Truth in God’s Word by making subjective discernment as objective as possible via fellowship with other Christians.
Two NT teachings can serve as key points from which to triangulate (test) or use to guide an interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements. First, God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ). Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16). This parameter is affirmed in the OT (PS 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
Hope this helps.
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OK, well hear this one. You know how to talk about more than one topic in one thread at same time right? We used to do this thing on IRC chat when it was new, and still worked. Yeah, it's gone now, don't even work. For that matter I would never use IRC anyway.
but I want to include in this thread this right here.
percent of christians who are fake
I put that key into google, and AI responded.
It's difficult to determine the percentage of Christians who are "fake" because not all Christians share the same beliefs, and there is no clear definition of what it means to be a "fake" Christian. However, some studies have found that not all Christians who identify as Christian have a biblical worldview.
Explanation
A third topic to talk about at same time.
Now according to government statistics. 60% of christian marriages have cheating, by the time the couple are 30 years old. 50% of them, end in divorce.
The government also said, it's the same for all religions. 50%-60%.
And I just want everyone to know something I learned, people who meet online such as online dating sites, are 50% more likely to cheat.
I not only have paranoia, but I live in the ghetto and have seen some things in my life. Then I learn this stuff here.
but I want to include in this thread this right here.
percent of christians who are fake
I put that key into google, and AI responded.
It's difficult to determine the percentage of Christians who are "fake" because not all Christians share the same beliefs, and there is no clear definition of what it means to be a "fake" Christian. However, some studies have found that not all Christians who identify as Christian have a biblical worldview.
Explanation
- According to a 2021 study, 74% of people who identify as Moralistic Therapeutic Deism (MTD) consider themselves to be Christian, but only 16% qualify as born-again.
- The study also found that the beliefs of most people who identify as MTD conflict with basic biblical teaching.
- According to a 2023 study, 68% of Americans consider themselves to be Christians, but only 6% have a biblical worldview.
- According to Pew Research, Christianity loses more people than it gains from religious conversion.
A third topic to talk about at same time.
Now according to government statistics. 60% of christian marriages have cheating, by the time the couple are 30 years old. 50% of them, end in divorce.
The government also said, it's the same for all religions. 50%-60%.
And I just want everyone to know something I learned, people who meet online such as online dating sites, are 50% more likely to cheat.
I not only have paranoia, but I live in the ghetto and have seen some things in my life. Then I learn this stuff here.
Re "It's difficult to determine the percentage of Christians who are "fake" because not all Christians share the same beliefs":
That is because the only Judge of the correct creed/kerygma.GRFS is God.
However, I try to promote an ecumenical spirit on my threads, especially The Kerygma and Hermeneutics.
Feel free to discuss that topic either there or here if you desire.
That is because the only Judge of the correct creed/kerygma.GRFS is God.
However, I try to promote an ecumenical spirit on my threads, especially The Kerygma and Hermeneutics.
Feel free to discuss that topic either there or here if you desire.
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AI
According to research, while a large percentage of people identify as Christian, only a small minority demonstrate a deep understanding and consistent application of Christian principles, meaning a significant portion of self-identified Christians could be considered "false Christians" based on their actions and beliefs; some studies suggest this number could be as high as 90% of self-identified Christians not fully adhering to Christian teachings.
Key points to consider:
According to research, while a large percentage of people identify as Christian, only a small minority demonstrate a deep understanding and consistent application of Christian principles, meaning a significant portion of self-identified Christians could be considered "false Christians" based on their actions and beliefs; some studies suggest this number could be as high as 90% of self-identified Christians not fully adhering to Christian teachings.
Key points to consider:
- Self-identification vs. practice:
Many people may identify as Christian due to cultural reasons or upbringing, but not actively follow the teachings in their daily lives.
I say ----You can tell a True Christian by the fruits they bear -----Showing Agape to God and Neighbour ----peaceful attitude in the midst of the storm ---showing self control over their emotions ---Steadfast joy and patience even when trouble comes ----being content with what they have ----always giving God the Glory for anything they do and for what they have --believing the Scriptures are inspired by God ---doing and trusting the Word --who is Jesus ----
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seeing this Light the Christ for us all, overcame the darkness for us
As you continue to grow up into maturity as you are and have been from what I hear, continue and you will see Sin as gone, not by you, by God for you. Now that I say that, I am not saying I got it, I am saying God has got it for us all to depend on and see it leave, for this light over came the darkness as on the first day, when Daddy, said in Genesis let their be light, and there was light, darkness overcome then and there for us to depend on God to see us through.
I look back and see Daddy, works on one problem in each of his kids at a time. So there is no confusion once see it taken care of by God for us in risen Son to us all. We looking back to the cross of the dividing line of human history a before and an after. Then before they had to work and continue to work until the risen Son came back to life for us in Col 2, I see that victory for us to be thankful for it and our fruit from that, reveals whether or not we believe God or not in risen Son, for that new life, given us free of charge forever in thanksgiving and praise to me and all others that choose or have chosen, that will not quit, like in Job would not quit, neither Jesus our savior who went all the way to death once willingly for everyone to be reconciled to God Father through this done work, Amazing this gift to appreciate and not use for any self-gain, when their is no need, since God provides all our needs over the wants placed in us from evil
this does not mean we do not work, to me it means I now willingly work over having to a total different view of this world we ar Eoin and not of anymore, being born new by God, thank you
As you continue to grow up into maturity as you are and have been from what I hear, continue and you will see Sin as gone, not by you, by God for you. Now that I say that, I am not saying I got it, I am saying God has got it for us all to depend on and see it leave, for this light over came the darkness as on the first day, when Daddy, said in Genesis let their be light, and there was light, darkness overcome then and there for us to depend on God to see us through.
I look back and see Daddy, works on one problem in each of his kids at a time. So there is no confusion once see it taken care of by God for us in risen Son to us all. We looking back to the cross of the dividing line of human history a before and an after. Then before they had to work and continue to work until the risen Son came back to life for us in Col 2, I see that victory for us to be thankful for it and our fruit from that, reveals whether or not we believe God or not in risen Son, for that new life, given us free of charge forever in thanksgiving and praise to me and all others that choose or have chosen, that will not quit, like in Job would not quit, neither Jesus our savior who went all the way to death once willingly for everyone to be reconciled to God Father through this done work, Amazing this gift to appreciate and not use for any self-gain, when their is no need, since God provides all our needs over the wants placed in us from evil
this does not mean we do not work, to me it means I now willingly work over having to a total different view of this world we ar Eoin and not of anymore, being born new by God, thank you
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I see that few people have attempted to answer your question. Yes, we are supposed to test “prophecy” with Scripture. You may do that by considering these things:
Does it contradict Scripture? If so, it’s not from God. Bear in mind that “an interpretation of Scripture” is not the same thing as Scripture itself.
Does it edify the Church or provide constructive correction? If it tears down without building, it’s not from God.
Does it elevate Jesus? If it denigrates Jesus, it’s not from God.
Does it provide details that can be tested? His prophecies are specific, even though they may not be clear. Most extrabiblical “future event prophecies” are vague and can’t be tested.
Does it require an immediate response that doesn’t allow for testing? If so, it’s not from God.
Is it for an individual, a limited group, or “everyone”? If the latter, it’s probably not from God as that would already be in Scripture.
God definitely does still speak, but to individuals and limited groups, not to “everyone”. His will for “everyone” is revealed in the Bible.
Does it contradict Scripture? If so, it’s not from God. Bear in mind that “an interpretation of Scripture” is not the same thing as Scripture itself.
Does it edify the Church or provide constructive correction? If it tears down without building, it’s not from God.
Does it elevate Jesus? If it denigrates Jesus, it’s not from God.
Does it provide details that can be tested? His prophecies are specific, even though they may not be clear. Most extrabiblical “future event prophecies” are vague and can’t be tested.
Does it require an immediate response that doesn’t allow for testing? If so, it’s not from God.
Is it for an individual, a limited group, or “everyone”? If the latter, it’s probably not from God as that would already be in Scripture.
God definitely does still speak, but to individuals and limited groups, not to “everyone”. His will for “everyone” is revealed in the Bible.
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Here's a statistic they leave out.
Those couples who are active in conservative Churches, by going a minimum of weekly and some beyond....(Wednesday nights, small group bible study get together, community projects and etc)
Only less than 10% of those marriages have a failure/divorce. It's a radical shift from the "average ".
Of course those statistics are not mentioned because they prove something that they do not want out....how to strengthen your marriage. How to stay married....how to love your partner completely....how any offer of infidelity seems exactly as it is (cheap, worthless, momentary, and gambling away what you really want to keep)
And of that "less than 10%" there is usually some sort of severe mental health issues that have largely been ignored by the primaries.
Meaning, if you want to be active in your church group but your spouse isn't loving it....goung along just to keep the peace....keep an eye on them. There is real trouble brewing.
Those couples who are active in conservative Churches, by going a minimum of weekly and some beyond....(Wednesday nights, small group bible study get together, community projects and etc)
Only less than 10% of those marriages have a failure/divorce. It's a radical shift from the "average ".
Of course those statistics are not mentioned because they prove something that they do not want out....how to strengthen your marriage. How to stay married....how to love your partner completely....how any offer of infidelity seems exactly as it is (cheap, worthless, momentary, and gambling away what you really want to keep)
And of that "less than 10%" there is usually some sort of severe mental health issues that have largely been ignored by the primaries.
Meaning, if you want to be active in your church group but your spouse isn't loving it....goung along just to keep the peace....keep an eye on them. There is real trouble brewing.
Of course we still mess up....it's because we are merely mortal humans. (Not licensing sin...just explaining it)
However, there are errors like Peter's and then there are errors like what Judas did....
Peter's was forgivable....Judas's was unforgiven before he was born.
God shows up when the whole planet is at stake....or his chosen people (as a nation) are about to destroy themselves, or as the fulfillment of prophesy is needing a tiny push (announcement)
Most future prophesy is literally bad news. Wars, famines, pestilence, disease and etc. (IE: the result of YOUR SIN)
Prophesy of truth....uncanny knowledge of current circumstances. (John the Baptist)
Both of the above must be 100% accurate.
Simple preaching and teaching scriptures is the last form of prophesy.
However, there are errors like Peter's and then there are errors like what Judas did....
Peter's was forgivable....Judas's was unforgiven before he was born.
God shows up when the whole planet is at stake....or his chosen people (as a nation) are about to destroy themselves, or as the fulfillment of prophesy is needing a tiny push (announcement)
Most future prophesy is literally bad news. Wars, famines, pestilence, disease and etc. (IE: the result of YOUR SIN)
Prophesy of truth....uncanny knowledge of current circumstances. (John the Baptist)
Both of the above must be 100% accurate.
Simple preaching and teaching scriptures is the last form of prophesy.
Are you speaking about the gift of Prophecy listed in 1cor chapters 12 through 14? This is known as Prophesying, which is speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That must always ALIGN WITH the word of GOD, and it must do some things to judge if it is of GOD.
- It must be from the word of GOD
- it must comfort, edify, and build up
- It must bring Glory to God
- It must be a confirmation of what was already known.
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thank you for that post through you. Love it
About God not speaking to everyone I see as not true, God does still speak as you said
I do not see God not speaking to everyone. And yes to the Bible having the messages from God in loving us all. to me at least as well.
As, I have myself learned to listen, having two ears, one mouth to see to listen twice as much to God personally within me, seeing what has gotten done for me from the first day I decided to believe God.
God speaks to everyone still, not everyone hears. And religion has taken that over as if they are mediators between people and risen Son, which for me is not good for my soul.
Yet, many a times these preachers, do not preach risen Son, these I have experienced and seen these only preaching a dead Son, and if you mention a risen Son. The reply oh yeah, then right back to the dead Son, which by the dead Son willingly through Son, the work is done for us to be viewed as perfect from Father forever by that done work of Son as in Col 1 states this to me anyways. Believe Son is risen for you and Father will show you, has shown me this as I am still in process too.
Jesus the risen plus nothing else
Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Seek to encourage and let people be people, tell others your belief and let actions and reactions speak louder than words, to me at least, I can only speak what I am taught and not make any doctrines out of anything but Christ the risen after he first in his one time willing death took away all sin in his Father's sight for us (John 1:29) to have a personal relationship and learn new from mistakes we all have made and might and do make again, I have and Daddy, wow! I am in thanksgiving and praise trusting you to teach me new, even since I have sinned again, now seeing you love me and do teach me new, I do not know how, I just know someway, somehow you will, and have not ever given up on me or anyone else either, thank you, God Father and Son won for us all, by becoming the propitiation for any sin ever committed or might commit (How fast is any sin past) we, me by God remain forgiven from God thanks to Son. as forgiven to teach us, me new. Might be time to go to God and ask willingly to get tough and see the win for us all, if anyone has not done that yet, maybe you decide, I have
I have, the truth does set you free, and only from God who we do not see physically anymore today after reported he is risen by the disciples to us all.that is where the new life in God father's spirit and truth reside for each of us, thanks
About God not speaking to everyone I see as not true, God does still speak as you said
I do not see God not speaking to everyone. And yes to the Bible having the messages from God in loving us all. to me at least as well.
As, I have myself learned to listen, having two ears, one mouth to see to listen twice as much to God personally within me, seeing what has gotten done for me from the first day I decided to believe God.
God speaks to everyone still, not everyone hears. And religion has taken that over as if they are mediators between people and risen Son, which for me is not good for my soul.
Yet, many a times these preachers, do not preach risen Son, these I have experienced and seen these only preaching a dead Son, and if you mention a risen Son. The reply oh yeah, then right back to the dead Son, which by the dead Son willingly through Son, the work is done for us to be viewed as perfect from Father forever by that done work of Son as in Col 1 states this to me anyways. Believe Son is risen for you and Father will show you, has shown me this as I am still in process too.
Jesus the risen plus nothing else
Wow, woe is me as in Isaiah 6:1-7
Seek to encourage and let people be people, tell others your belief and let actions and reactions speak louder than words, to me at least, I can only speak what I am taught and not make any doctrines out of anything but Christ the risen after he first in his one time willing death took away all sin in his Father's sight for us (John 1:29) to have a personal relationship and learn new from mistakes we all have made and might and do make again, I have and Daddy, wow! I am in thanksgiving and praise trusting you to teach me new, even since I have sinned again, now seeing you love me and do teach me new, I do not know how, I just know someway, somehow you will, and have not ever given up on me or anyone else either, thank you, God Father and Son won for us all, by becoming the propitiation for any sin ever committed or might commit (How fast is any sin past) we, me by God remain forgiven from God thanks to Son. as forgiven to teach us, me new. Might be time to go to God and ask willingly to get tough and see the win for us all, if anyone has not done that yet, maybe you decide, I have
I have, the truth does set you free, and only from God who we do not see physically anymore today after reported he is risen by the disciples to us all.that is where the new life in God father's spirit and truth reside for each of us, thanks
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