The 10 Commandments and the Law of Moses

[Inquisitor]

You are not following the conversation - the post I replied to was in response to a poster claiming the Ten Commandments was only spoken not written, I posted scripture to show otherwise. Everything else you're claiming is conjecture and strawman.

God's ten commandments were FIRST spoken to Israel and the covenant with Israel was ratified by God. Then some time later it was written by Moses and God.

The first covenant between God and Israel was based on the spoken word!

Exodus 20 to Exodus 24, is the foundational covenant.

The tablets of stone were simply a replication of the initial covenant in Exodus 24.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God's ten commandments were FIRST spoken to Israel and the covenant with Israel was ratified by God. Then some time later it was written by Moses and God.

The first covenant between God and Israel was based on the spoken word!

Exodus 20 to Exodus 24, is the foundational covenant.

The tablets of stone were simply a replication of the initial covenant in Exodus 24.

I can only go by what scripture says.

I agree the commandments were first spoken, but scripture indicates they were written right after.

Deut 5: 22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Scripture typically works on repeat and enlarge and it not necessarily in chronological order.

I do agree God's law was given way before God codified it on stone with His own finger. Its the law that defines sin Romans 7:7 and unfortunately man sinned listened to the other spirit in the Garden instead of obeying God.

 

[Magenta]

... unfortunately man sinned listened to the other spirit in the Garden instead of obeying God.

Adam listened to his wife, not some "other Spirit." So much for going by Scripture alone...

 

[Inquisitor]

it is MEN who counted the Laws and Commandments, that number 613 varies according to different authors, it means nothing.

I would not say that the Mosaic law is nothing, or that the count of the laws is nothing. Of course the number varies with different authors but we know the Mosaic law is vast.

It is GOD who gave us Himself the 10 Commandments, He wrote them with His own fingers;

This what I am trying to correct.

God spoke the law to Israel first.

The tablets of stone were a later event, the first covenant was based on the SPOKEN words of God!

IT is GOD who gave us the commandments. It is GOD who wrote them by his hand.

The first covenant Exodus 24 has the priority.

The Commandments are in the Ark of the Covenant to become the Ark of His Testament;

Aaron's rod that budded were in the Ark and a jar with manna were also in the Ark. What is their significance?

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Note the name change from Covenant to Testament. Note also in the book of Revelations the chronology of this verse.

The rest of the Mosaic Laws have for core foundation, the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments have for core foundation LOVE.

LOVE is the foundation of eternal life.

Peace.

The Ark in heaven is the real Ark of which the earthly Ark is a copy.

The Testament of the blood of Jesus is the Testament of Jesus in Heaven.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Adam could have obeyed God, regardless if he listened to Eve, it came from another spirit, not God. God told them both not to eat from the forbidden tree. They both sinned, which is what separated them from God. Isa 59:2

 

[Inquisitor]

I can only go by what scripture says.

I agree the commandments were first spoken, but scripture indicates they were written right after.

Deut 5: 22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

Scripture typically works on repeat and enlarge and it not necessarily in chronological order.

I do agree God's law was given way before God codified it on stone with His own finger. Its the law that defines sin Romans 7:7 and unfortunately man sinned listened to the other spirit in the Garden instead of obeying God.

I appreciate your post.

You do agree that the spoken word held the primary place in Exodus 24, excellent.

I do believe you are still confused.

Before Exodus 20, mankind was committing offenses against the fundamental and eternal law. That eternal law was always unconditional love. Only when Jesus arrived did we understand that God's love for us was unconditional.

We do not understand that the law signaled everything that is opposed to unconditional love.

It was not that Cain murdered his brother it was that Cain did not love his brother. The murder itself was the final outcome
of Cain's lack of brotherly love.

Love is above all, God is love, for God so loved the world!

Love is the foundation of the law and is eternal.

God ultimately is defined by His love, His character is love.

The light shone in the darkness and how great was that love.

 

[Inquisitor]

Adam could have obeyed God, regardless if he listened to Eve, it came from another spirit, not God. God told them both not to eat from the forbidden tree. They both sinned, which is what separated them from God. Isa 59:2

Yet their sin was not a transgression of the ten commandments.

Adam's sin was direct disobedience to God's instruction regarding, the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

I appreciate your post.

You do agree that the spoken word held the primary place in Exodus 24, excellent.

I do believe you are still confused.

Before Exodus 20, mankind was committing offenses against the fundamental and eternal law. That eternal law was always unconditional love. Only when Jesus arrived did we understand that God's love for us was unconditional.

We do not understand that the law signaled everything that is opposed to unconditional love.

It was not that Cain murdered his brother it was that Cain did not love his brother. The murder itself was the final outcome
of Cain's lack of brotherly love.

Love is above all, God is love, for God so loved the world!

Love is the foundation of the law and is eternal.

God ultimately is defined by His love, His character is love.

The light shone in the darkness and how great was that love.

I have always said the foundation of God's love is love, not sure where you are getting I have ever said anything different.

Cain did murder Abel, which was sin, and sin is the transgression of God's law Rom 7:7 which goes against love. Love to God and love to our neighbor. God tells us His law is based on love right in His holy commandments.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

If Cain loved Abel he would have not murdered him, but he did and that was sin and the transgression of God's law 1 John 3:4

 

[SabbathBlessing]

Yet their sin was not a transgression of the ten commandments.

Adam's sin was direct disobedience to God's instruction regarding, the knowledge of good and evil.

Sin is transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7

When Eve coveted the fruit of the forbidden tree, that was breaking commandment # 10. She stole something that didn't belong to her that was breaking commandment #8. She broke the first commandment when she listed to another master instead of placing God first. The principle of scripture you break one commandment, you break them all James 2:10-12

 

[vassal]

Yet their sin was not a transgression of the ten commandments.

Adam's sin was direct disobedience to God's instruction regarding, the knowledge of good and evil.

The end result was the same: DEATH

 

[Inquisitor]

Sin is transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7

When Eve coveted the fruit of the forbidden tree, that was breaking commandment # 10. She stole something that didn't belong to her that was breaking commandment #8. She broke the first commandment when she listed to another master instead of placing God first. The principle of scripture you break one commandment, you break them all James 2:10-12

Eve did not commit the sin of coveting as listed in the spoken commandment, Exodus 20:17.

Eve, in fact, broke the commandment listed below.

Genesis 2:11
And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?”

Whereas coveting in the law is stated below.

Exodus 20:17
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

The fruit that Eve ate did not belong to a neighbor.

Eve did not have the law against coveting.

Can I prove that Adam's sin was unique and not one of the ten commandments?

Well, yes I can.

Romans 5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the violation committed by Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

No one can emulate Adam's sin because it was a unique commandment given to Adam and Eve!

 

[Inquisitor]

The end result was the same: DEATH

Not true.

The disobedience that Adam and Eve had committed ultimately resulted in the death of everyone.

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned.

You work your life away because you are under the curse placed on Adam.

You also lost the direct relationship with The Creator.

We also lost access to the tree of life.

That was one almighty sin that Adam and Eve committed. It carried a penalty far beyond a simple breach of a commandment
given in the law.

 

[Magenta]

Adam could have obeyed God, regardless if he listened to Eve, it came from another spirit, not God. God told them both not to eat from the forbidden tree. They both sinned, which is what separated them from God. Isa 59:2

That is not in Scripture, either. What becomes apparent is that despite you saying you can only go by what Scripture says, that is simply not true. You make erroneous assumptions and talk as if your assumptions are written in the Bible when they are not. Adam was told what could and could not be eaten before Eve was even made, so who told Eve what we simply do not know. Your "regardless" is another indication you don't really care what Scripture says if it goes against what you have decided is true REGARDLESS of what Scripture actually says. Your version of the truth has Adam being deceived, when according to what is actually written in Scripture, we know he was not deceived.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

That is not in Scripture, either. What becomes apparent is that despite you saying you can only go by what Scripture says, that is simply not true. You make erroneous assumptions and talk as if your assumptions are written in the Bible when they are not. Adam was told what could and could not be eaten before Eve was even made, so who told Eve what we simply do not know. Your "regardless" is another indication you don't really care what Scripture says if it goes against what you have decided is true REGARDLESS of what Scripture actually says. Your version of the truth has Adam being deceived, when according to what is actually written in Scripture, we know he was not deceived.

Please quote where I said Adam was deceived. I never said he was deceived, I said he listed to another spirit when he disobeyed God. Doesn’t matter if that was through Eve or not, when you go against God it means you are with another spirit. Two choices either with God or against Him. Mat 12:20

 

[Magenta]

Please quote where I said Adam was deceived. I never said he was deceived, I said he listed to another spirit when he disobeyed God. Doesn’t matter if that was through Eve or not, when you go against God it means you are with another spirit. Two choices either with God or against Him. Mat 12:20

Please quote where I said you said... no, you cannot, since I never said you said Adam was deceived, just that your erroneous version of the truth has him deceived, which you brush off with a "regardless" as if it does not matter, because it goes against what you believe about Scripture despite it not being written in Scripture, even though you say you can only go by what Scripture says. Just pointing out your untruths. Did you miss the part about the record being of God telling Adam, not God telling both Adam and Eve like you claimed? Unfortunately you like to make things up, and equally hate correction.

God told them both not to eat from the forbidden tree.

Not in Scripture. Another fabrication from you.

 

[SabbathBlessing]

God told to Adam

Gen:2 15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to [e]tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

To Eve-

Gen 3: 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

They both knew from God. Eve didn’t say Adam said, she said God said.

 

[Magenta]

God told to Adam

Gen:2 15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to [e]tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

To Eve-

Gen 3: 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

They both knew from God. Eve didn’t say Adam said, she said God said.

Can the idea of you only going by what Scripture says, okay? Because it is a bald faced LIE.

Anyone can say, so-and-so said such and such. How does that equate in your mind to, so-and-so told me explicitly?

I will clue you in to a FACT: knowing or saying someone said something does not mean they said it directly to you.

And it is certainly NOT written in Scripture that God told both Adam and Eve.

You lie.

 

[vassal]

Not true.

The disobedience that Adam and Eve had committed ultimately resulted in the death of everyone.

Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all mankind, because all sinned.

You work your life away because you are under the curse placed on Adam.

You also lost the direct relationship with The Creator.

We also lost access to the tree of life.

That was one almighty sin that Adam and Eve committed. It carried a penalty far beyond a simple breach of a commandment
given in the law.

You are a very angry person, could please chill a bit and relax. the same to you too @Magenta

 

[mailmandan]

The Sabbath day was given to Israel.

The Gentiles knew nothing of the Sabbath day or any other commandment.

The Gentiles did not even know God.

Paul told you this.

Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ - Is the Sabbath Still Required for Christians?

 

[vassal]

God told to Adam

Gen:2 15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to [e]tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

To Eve-

Gen 3: 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

They both knew from God. Eve didn’t say Adam said, she said God said.

Also the word WE was used indicating they both knew.

Gen 3: 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”